Alex 30336 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, Gemmill said: I dunno like, that instant denial feels like a guilty conscience. I'll get my assistant, CT, to audit your November posts when he gets back from his sex holiday. I think my view was it would be very tough (wrong) but that there were a few factors which gave me optimism. The amount of time, our not being set adrift despite not managing a league win, the upcoming transfer window and the bar for staying up likely to be pretty low given how poor 3 or 4 other teams were 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34320 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 I just looked at how incapable all the teams around us were of picking points up, and the fact that we were never more than a few points from getting out of it. That, the fact that it was still only about a third of the way through the season, the new manager, and the transfer window to come. Burnley are 4 points adrift with 7 to play and I wouldn't rule them out being ahead of Everton by the end of the season. The idea that it was over before Christmas ("we haven't won our must wins!") was always daft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6300 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 16 minutes ago, Gemmill said: BTW there were some on here saying the same thing as Sherwood back in NOVEMBER. How DARE you come with that patter! CT was saying it 2 weeks ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 16547 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 What a cunt Richards is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6300 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Just now, wykikitoon said: What a cunt Richards is I don't mind him tbf. I think the laugh is often exaggerated but I don't think he's a cunt. There's far worse pundits out there than him by a long shot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19775 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Gemmill said: I just looked at how incapable all the teams around us were of picking points up, and the fact that we were never more than a few points from getting out of it. That, the fact that it was still only about a third of the way through the season, the new manager, and the transfer window to come. Burnley are 4 points adrift with 7 to play and I wouldn't rule them out being ahead of Everton by the end of the season. The idea that it was over before Christmas ("we haven't won our must wins!") was always daft. i mean you say that now, and fair play for remaining confident when many of us were resigned to relegation, but it looked very bleak until more than half way through the season. in mid january things looked fucking terrible; 6 points adrift, no new manager bounce, players still playing with fear, stats/history against us, no sign of looking capable of going on the kind of run that saved our season. the leeds result was the turning point but it wasn't until after the everton /villa results that i started to believe we might get out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30336 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Gemmill said: I just looked at how incapable all the teams around us were of picking points up, and the fact that we were never more than a few points from getting out of it. That, the fact that it was still only about a third of the way through the season, the new manager, and the transfer window to come. Burnley are 4 points adrift with 7 to play and I wouldn't rule them out being ahead of Everton by the end of the season. The idea that it was over before Christmas ("we haven't won our must wins!") was always daft. I think a lot of people thought that about the Brentford game (must win) but being there gave me hope. Obviously the defensive frailties were there and it was a ‘winnable’ match but there were lots of positives too. Not trying to say I was right, I’m so clever etc. Because I could totally see why people were downcast about our chances. I also think the Ashley years had generally made people expect the worst. There was also that nagging feeling that becoming the richest club in the world and getting relegated in the same season could only happen to NUFC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12452 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 The Joelinton comment is absurd mind . “Yeah he’s had a good game but they bought him as a centre forward” erm but he looked good there right? I know it’s rare to have that type of position change but it happens a lot in other ways, does he apply that logic to Bale? “Yeah he looked good on the wing but he was supposed to be a left back”. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 16547 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, Craig said: I don't mind him tbf. I think the laugh is often exaggerated but I don't think he's a cunt. There's far worse pundits out there than him by a long shot. You think? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26227 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19775 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 i can't listen to richards. unbearable the less said about sherwood the better, file that clueless cunt under merson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34320 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 10 minutes ago, Alex said: I think a lot of people thought that about the Brentford game (must win) but being there gave me hope. Obviously the defensive frailties were there and it was a ‘winnable’ match but there were lots of positives too. Not trying to say I was right, I’m so clever etc. Because I could totally see why people were downcast about our chances. I also think the Ashley years had generally made people expect the worst. There was also that nagging feeling that becoming the richest club in the world and getting relegated in the same season could only happen to NUFC I absolutely am trying to say that I was right and very fucking clever. Unlike Dr Gloom who STILL wants to justify his VERY and very position. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30336 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Gemmill said: I absolutely am trying to say that I was right and very fucking clever. Unlike Dr Gloom who STILL wants to justify his VERY and very position. Oh, I know you were saying that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34320 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 As long as we're clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Andrew 4201 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 31 minutes ago, wykikitoon said: What a cunt Richards is And the least surprising opinion of the day award goes to... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 12756 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 This is why I wanted a catch-all thread. I was going to get Rayvin to publish the list in hardback using the Patreon money 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4963 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 I've seen more whimsical things published I suppose. Next season we'll have to have a predictions thread, maybe a two parter - games to January, games to end of season. Overall too. Depends how invested people are in being right. Or knowing this place, more accurately, telling other people they were wrong 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14574 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Gemmill said: I just looked at how incapable all the teams around us were of picking points up, and the fact that we were never more than a few points from getting out of it. That, the fact that it was still only about a third of the way through the season, the new manager, and the transfer window to come. Burnley are 4 points adrift with 7 to play and I wouldn't rule them out being ahead of Everton by the end of the season. The idea that it was over before Christmas ("we haven't won our must wins!") was always daft. There was massive uncertainty due to the new manager and how our ability to attract the right players in the window . Fair play you flipped a coin, called heads and it came up. Honest & practical assessment suggested we were down. No one has stayed up from the position we were in and the variables of new coach and transfer window made the whole thing look like a negative outcome. And this is Newcastle United, where we never find things easy. The improvement in the players Howe inherited has been bordering on miraculous. I don’t think even the most optimistic of us could see that happening. It’s at least on par with what SBR did in 2000. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26227 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: There was massive uncertainty due to the new manager and how our ability to attract the right players in the window . Fair play you flipped a coin, called heads and it came up. Honest & practical assessment suggested we were down. No one has stayed up from the position we were in and the variables of new coach and transfer window made the whole thing look like a negative outcome. And this is Newcastle United, where we never find things easy. The improvement in the players Howe inherited has been bordering on miraculous. I don’t think even the most optimistic of us could see that happening. It’s at least on par with what SBR did in 2000. That’s a long winded way to say you were completely wrong. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 26725 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 As things were when Howe walked in we were down imo but it all depended on the signings being right and they absolutely were. Massive credit to the players already here as well who stepped up and as for Eddie, the job he's done shows up Bruce completely as those players that regressed with Bruce are now showing they're not as bad as was made out. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19775 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 (edited) I’m delighted to concede I was wrong. I’d also say that the consensus on this board in mid-January was relegation beckoned. Even fish was pessimistic at that point. Gemmill was very much the minority voice. Makes the turnaround all the more impressive. We have been a completely different team since February Edited April 21, 2022 by Dr Gloom 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14574 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 13 minutes ago, ewerk said: That’s a long winded way to say you were completely wrong. I’ve not spent the last six months constantly blathering on about it but yeah, I didn’t think there was a lot of hope and as I’ve outlined if an individual was super confident before last Christmas they were betting against all logical considerations. Gemmill is a jumped up smug smart arsed twat too, which has to be taken into consideration as well 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19775 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Gemmill said: I absolutely am trying to say that I was right and very fucking clever. Unlike Dr Gloom who STILL wants to justify his VERY and very position. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6300 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Howay said: The Joelinton comment is absurd mind . “Yeah he’s had a good game but they bought him as a centre forward” erm but he looked good there right? I know it’s rare to have that type of position change but it happens a lot in other ways, does he apply that logic to Bale? “Yeah he looked good on the wing but he was supposed to be a left back”. Thierry Henry as well. Bought as a winger but they wasted him as a striker. And Paul Warhurst for that matter who played in the very same Blackburn side as Tim Sherwood. What an utter tit! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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