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I'm already bored of the debate. Like football supporters should concern themselves with global politics. Most of our lot couldn't even bring themselves to stop going when they were getting the piss directly ripped out of them. They're not going to suddenly make a stand when we're mint. People should stop biting. It feeds the press and the bitter journalism.

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I've spent many a workday researching CHAPS.

I don’t know Callum.  But you weren’t arsed when it came to your own website (https://realcombatmedia.com), with its in depth coverage of Joshua vs Ruiz II so why are you arsed now? Fuck off

I think it's fair to say that the journalists aren't winning hearts and minds from our lot on this.   We're going to have a club-wide siege mentality at this rate. As Strawb says, thick skin

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7 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

Fucks sake man. That's hurt me a bit tbf.

 

He's probably right about how it will feel in the end. He might not be, but he probably is.

Stop being so fucking soft man. 

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Am I right that Rayvin is feeling guilty about celebrating success we haven’t even had yet? I ask because I couldn’t be arsed to read the whole article. 

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Press trying to stir up typical faux outrage bollocks as usual, people love taking a stand these days. They want to talk about dirty Arab money then they should start with government doing deals with the Saudis going back years now.. but instead we are talking about football, wonder why? 

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Just now, 247 said:

Press trying to stir up typical faux outrage bollocks as usual, people love taking a stand these days. They want to talk about dirty Arab money then they should start with government doing deals with the Saudis going back years now.. but instead we are talking about football, wonder why? 

Spot on. Apart from what  they actually like  doing is pretending to take a stand 

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I don't think that articles right at all.  Firstly while I agree that the actions of the Saudi's in their own county is far from something I approve of, I don't see how it's remotely the fault of anything they might own.  People haven't died in Yeman so that we can win anything.  They are totally separate things.  I'm not burying my head in the sand about things they have done, it's deplorable.  But they certainly haven't been done in the cause of Newcastle United.

If being bought by the Saudi's leads to us winning things I won't feel any more hollow about it than I would have if it had come from the money of Ashley or John Hall.  There's an element of wishing it could come from the fans owning the club and growing organically but that is never going to happen unless all of professional football is completely overhauled.  And that certainly isn't going to happen any time soon.

 

For me the best that could come out of this would be that we move forward and win something as a club and that it also highlights the wrongdoings of the owners and puts pressure on them to change.

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4 minutes ago, Alex said:

Am I right that Rayvin is feeling guilty about celebrating success we haven’t even had yet? I ask because I couldn’t be arsed to read the whole article. 

 

Not feeling guilty about celebrating the success, but whether the success will really feel like it would have if we had done it without Saudi money, and all the moral considerations that come with it.

 

Is the Newcastle owned by Saudi going to be the same Newcastle we all came to love. I mean, is it that club anymore anyway tbf. I've been looking at this as a 'the club is ours again' moment more than anything else and that article brought me back down to earth somewhat.

 

As HMHM says, it'll take a bit off the shine off. I guess the worry is, how big a bit that is.

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1 minute ago, Rayvin said:

 

Not feeling guilty about celebrating the success, but whether the success will really feel like it would have if we had done it without Saudi money, and all the moral considerations that come with it.

 

Is the Newcastle owned by Saudi going to be the same Newcastle we all came to love. I mean, is it that club anymore anyway tbf. I've been looking at this as a 'the club is ours again' moment more than anything else and that article brought me back down to earth somewhat.

 

As HMHM says, it'll take a bit off the shine off. I guess the worry is, how big a bit that is.

We aren't winning anything without Saudi money. 

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Remember when Thaksin Shinawatra bought Citeh with what was obviously money embezzeled from Thailand there was a couple of reports alluding to it at the time and then nothing. He actually bought the club with stolen money and when he sold it on the Abu Dhabi group and made a huge profit again no one gave a fuck. 

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11 minutes ago, David Kelly said:

I don't think that articles right at all.  Firstly while I agree that the actions of the Saudi's in their own county is far from something I approve of, I don't see how it's remotely the fault of anything they might own.  People haven't died in Yeman so that we can win anything.  They are totally separate things.  I'm not burying my head in the sand about things they have done, it's deplorable.  But they certainly haven't been done in the cause of Newcastle United.

If being bought by the Saudi's leads to us winning things I won't feel any more hollow about it than I would have if it had come from the money of Ashley or John Hall.  There's an element of wishing it could come from the fans owning the club and growing organically but that is never going to happen unless all of professional football is completely overhauled.  And that certainly isn't going to happen any time soon.

 

For me the best that could come out of this would be that we move forward and win something as a club and that it also highlights the wrongdoings of the owners and puts pressure on them to change.

 

Can see this side too. I guess time will tell for me where I stand on this, gonna have to reflect on it for a while.

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4 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

In fairness, you lot should be well used to my hand wringing by now ;)

Aye I was only joking anyway. 

Its been a constant discussion topic in my life this week with numerous different people, some who have no affiliation to football but campaigned with me for Labour.

Ive come to the conclusion that is so far out of my hands it’s not worth getting upset about. Ashley has already taken the football club I love and rendered it unrecognisable.

If this trend is to continue & we are to be a mere simulacrum of what i feel in love with then we may as well win a cup.

John Hall, Shepherd, Ashley, PCP, it’s all the same to me now. 

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Aye I was only joking anyway. 

Its been a constant discussion topic in my life this week with numerous different people, some who have no affiliation to football but campaigned with me for Labour.

Ive come to the conclusion that is so far out of my hands it’s not worth getting upset about. Ashley has already taken the football club I love and rendered it unrecognisable.

If this trend is to continue & we are to be a mere simulacrum of what i feel in love with then we may as well win a cup.

John Hall, Shepherd, Ashley, PCP, it’s all the same to me now. 

 

Fair.

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39 minutes ago, Howmanheyman said:

I'm not too impressed with them and I wouldn't lie if the thought of us winning stuff only because these got on board wouldn't take a bit of the shine off. The trouble is you could say the same for most clubs to differing degrees, from Man City to Chelsea, from Blackburn to Liverpool. The second the game turned professional the gloves were off and a club with a wealthier owner gave that that club a real advantage. It's one of the reasons the old Etonian's have to content themselves literally ruling the country whilst not ruling the football league anymore. Like cups and trophies it always seems there's a time limit on when you won your silver depending on who's telling the story? I think the same goes with rich backers. If it's our turn we'll get it in the neck, more so on account of the human rights issues but we'd get it regardless. It's a tough one but when it comes to it are you going to stop saying you support your club? I stopped going as I couldn't bare paying my money to a parasite who was letting NUFC rot. These would be the opposite, so do I go back? I'm leaning towards yes as I'm fucked if the actions of others is being put on me, personally. I'd be more than happy if this got blocked as long as it was across the board and some real legislation was introduced to let all clubs be ran via their supporters and people paid through the club's to run them. If this doesn't happen then don't come looking for us, we don't run the game nor the country.

 

Great post and pretty much where I am....the kneejerk criticism of the fans we were getting over the weekend seems to have abated but still no analysis of the roles of Staveley,  the Reubens or Ashley in this. The media are fundamentally fuckin dishonest on this. 

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I just had a look on rtg so now I'm a bit more cheered up. :lol:

 

One of them asked if the potential new owner would even be allowed entry into the country? :lol: :lol: :lol: (the photos of him meeting the PM and Downing Street and chatting with the queen in Buckingham palace were obviously fake news). 

 

Another saying that the last trophy we won was in the 50s as the 'fairs cup schmairs cup' doesn't count, despite the fact he'd have ripped his bollocks off with a rusty hacksaw if it was Sunderland who could've won it. :lol:

 

 

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5 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

@sammynb All of that's true. But so is the point that if there's any remnant of a sporting institution left after Ashley's tenure then there's a  good chance it will very soon disappear under Saudi ownership. 

 

I'm on a long term season ticket deal. It makes comparatively very cheap to watch NUFC. If it turns out that I eventually get priced out of my ST at some point how am I supposed to feel about "my" club? I say this in full knowledge that this happened to 1000s of former Leazes & Gallowgate dwellers in the 90s.

 

That's fair and always a possibility.

At least Newcastle is far enough away to stop the plastic London fans hoovering up STs.

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47 minutes ago, Howmanheyman said:

I'm not too impressed with them and I wouldn't lie if the thought of us winning stuff only because these got on board wouldn't take a bit of the shine off. The trouble is you could say the same for most clubs to differing degrees, from Man City to Chelsea, from Blackburn to Liverpool. The second the game turned professional the gloves were off and a club with a wealthier owner gave that that club a real advantage. It's one of the reasons the old Etonian's have to content themselves literally ruling the country whilst not ruling the football league anymore. Like cups and trophies it always seems there's a time limit on when you won your silver depending on who's telling the story? I think the same goes with rich backers. If it's our turn we'll get it in the neck, more so on account of the human rights issues but we'd get it regardless. It's a tough one but when it comes to it are you going to stop saying you support your club? I stopped going as I couldn't bare paying my money to a parasite who was letting NUFC rot. These would be the opposite, so do I go back? I'm leaning towards yes as I'm fucked if the actions of others is being put on me, personally. I'd be more than happy if this got blocked as long as it was across the board and some real legislation was introduced to let all clubs be ran via their supporters and people paid through the club's to run them. If this doesn't happen then don't come looking for us, we don't run the game nor the country.

A great post. 

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I'd also add I'm more than getting irritated by people who couldn't normally give a monkey's chuff about us and no real interest spouting we don't like Ashley as he never spent much? Within two years the bloke got a big club who finished in the CL places five years earlier relegated. How the fuck do you manage that? Can you imagine the hell that would've been made if he'd done the same with Arsenal, Man Utd or whoever? After that the second relegation was merely routine to them I suppose? But, aye, he didn't spend much, did he? (The fucking tosspots).

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