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Do think we should have taken Shelvey and Lascelles though. Walker continues to be an accident waiting to happen in every game for me - picked up a totally pointless booking in this one.

 

And Shelvey might just have been the link to take England into a position to break them down.

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Came apart a bit in this game I'm afraid. We should've put them to bed in the first half, from that point on we never had a look in. Vida was utterly immense btw, I'd sign him in an instant. 

The ginger prick makes a few good points. There was no plan B for this tournament, Kane filled his boots by beating an absolutely shit team in Panama and with a couple of penalties but contributed very, very little to open play, the game against Colombia also masked many of our shortcomings (since they weren't trying to play football) and we were beaten by both halfway decent footballing sides we played. That said, this is miles better than England have been for a very long time and I think Southgate deserves credit. The last pack of England managers we've had have been dogshit to a man. We finally accomplish something, easy route to the semi-final or not, and now we need to build on that.

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3 minutes ago, acrossthepond said:

Vida was utterly immense btw, I'd sign him in an instant. 

Absolutely this.  Was thinking it all game.

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32 minutes ago, TheGingerQuiff said:

Nah I'm sober. I just see Southgate reaching a semi as comparable to di matteo winning the CL. He's a wanker and the praise for him is stomach turning

Eh???

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4 minutes ago, acrossthepond said:

I think Southgate deserves credit.

This, too.  I think there's plenty for him to work on but the reaction of some just reminds me of the perennial attitude of England fans going back to '98 burning effigies of Beckham and his demonisation in the press after that sending off.

 

Great while they're in; scapegoating and lynchings before the final whistle even blows.

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Fuckikng semi finals man. A lot of people don’t realise how momentous an achievement that is. Germany went on to great things after they reached the semis under klinsman with a young team in 06

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59 minutes ago, TheGingerQuiff said:

Nah I'm sober. I just see Southgate reaching a semi as comparable to di matteo winning the CL. He's a wanker and the praise for him is stomach turning

 

Nothing a little sheep urine won't cure. :baa:

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22 minutes ago, Chronic the Drug Wasp said:

Can't disagree with a lot of what Ginger Quiff has said. This will be the highest point of Southgate and, weirdly, it should have been higher.

 

I was watching it thinking we'd win it if Rafa was in charge.

Although most people won't see it while Rafa's in charge of lowly Newcastle, I think he's proven in the last couple of seasons that he's still world-class.

 

No one's going to argue with him being a better manager than Southgate.  Doesn't mean he's not worthy of investing some faith in.

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4 minutes ago, Chronic the Drug Wasp said:

I don't believe in Southgate as a manager but this run has ensured him for a while, so in a weird way any progression has been harmed. I honestly think they could have won this under Allardyce.

Are you for real?

you reckon that fat bunging fraud could have got us to the semis? 

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1 minute ago, adios said:

Although most people won't see it while Rafa's in charge of lowly Newcastle, I think he's proven in the last couple of seasons that he's still world-class.

 

No one's going to argue with him being a better manager than Southgate.  Doesn't mean he's not worthy of investing some faith in.

He's enhanced his reputation since Real Madrid in my eyes. My thoughts are that the FA should look beyond this guy. Wenger maybe? 

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I haven't the capacity to expound on my thoughts but I will say that Croatia were fucking brilliant in the second half. Which makes the first half, where England didn't give them a kick even more frustrating. 

 

Still, this is a team that will win a tournament; they'll learn from this, we can add from our, frankly, shockingly good, youth set up and the Euros are there for us. In the end, nobody expected us to be in the final four and they can all hold their heads up high because fuck me, that's a fantastic Croatia team. 

 

Having said that, I can't fucking wait to shout abuse at Kane and Alli during our first game next season.

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4 hours ago, Andrew said:

Well, unlike you lot I've really enjoyed this world cup overall, its been great to have a supportable England team again and who knows, might actually look to the nations league and qualification for the euros with some enjoyment in mind.

It feels a far cry from the gerrard/lampard/rooney/terry era now and thank god for that.

Agree with this, also, like Gloom, I’m fucking gutted. It’s sort of nice to be this gutted about England as it shows I give a fuck again. 

 

We never ever expected to get this far so massively happy with the squad. I’m sorry I don’t understand slagging Southgate off, you can point to not playing top sides but England have struggled to put those sides away for my whole lifetime at tournaments whereas in this one we brushed most of them aside. I also do not understand people having a go at Sterling, I think he’s brilliant and is vital to the team. For me all you have to do is watch the Sweden game back, at no point could they shorten the field and push up properly on us as Sterlings pace terrified them so much they had to keep their defense deep. 

 

As I say though I’m devastated, but I’m not going to pick faults with the players or coaching staff they have given me the most fun I’ve had watching a tournament with regards to England in my life. 

 

Croatia showed they have some real class and their experienced played a big part, the ref was yet again a fanny mind and should have been booking them. Well done to them though but I will be rooting for France, partially because I’m a bitter cunt but mainly because of Croatia win it would mean England had a real shot. 

 

I’m actually excited about the Euros now. I also can’t believe Sam Allardyce was brought up ffs, honestly the press exposing him and getting him the boot are national heroes, if he’d been manager this tournament would have been fucking WANK for England and probably would have more closely resembled that plane spotting twat Hodgsons pathetic tenure. 

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Agree with anyone saying they've enjoyed the tournament and are gutted it ended last night. Looking forward to the Euros with some hope as all.

 

All this shit of instantly turning on the manager and players, just fuck off man, you are the worst.

 

"Allardyce would have won it" btw. :lol: That is a special kind of reaction.

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Allardyce's England would have lost to Tunisia, drawn with Panama and Belgium. Rooney would have finished the tournament as our top goal scorer with 2 and the press would have slaughtered Fat Sam.

I thought England played some decent stuff throughout the tournament and some of the squad enhanced their reputations. Reaching the Semi-Finals of the World Cup shouldn't be sniffed at, regardless of the teams faced en route. Other England squads wouldn't have beaten that Colombian side, wouldn't have strolled past Sweden, some wouldn't have got out the group and some wouldn't even have got to the World Cup in the first place.

My wife never gave a shit about football until this tournament, but last night she was kicking every ball and was gutted when England were knocked out. So at least in my case, actually football did come home.

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22 minutes ago, The Fish said:

Allardyce's England would have lost to Tunisia, drawn with Panama and Belgium. Rooney would have finished the tournament as our top goal scorer with 2 and the press would have slaughtered Fat Sam.

I thought England played some decent stuff throughout the tournament and some of the squad enhanced their reputations. Reaching the Semi-Finals of the World Cup shouldn't be sniffed at, regardless of the teams faced en route. Other England squads wouldn't have beaten that Colombian side, wouldn't have strolled past Sweden, some wouldn't have got out the group and some wouldn't even have got to the World Cup in the first place.

My wife never gave a shit about football until this tournament, but last night she was kicking every ball and was gutted when England were knocked out. So at least in my case, actually football did come home.

 

Didn't know you were married. ;)

Isn't that a bit like only drinking at Christmas?

 

I guess it depends how you look at it. Reaching the semifinals of the world cup sounds impressive, but then look at the results.

Scraped a last minute win against Tunisia.

Slaughtered an awful Panama.

Lost against Belgium

Drew against Colombia, win on pens.

Comfortably beat Sweden.

In the end, comfortably beaten by Croatia, who have a smaller population than Scotland.

 

So that's W3D1L2 against mainly shit opposition. And not facing one big international side. Okay but as usual England have got carried away.

 

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I like Southgate and we will be better for keeping him until at least the euros. The players obviously like him and get what he is trying to do.

 

Last night was a stretch too far against a more experienced team. Modric and Rakitic against Henderson etc in the midfield was a mis match.

 

Thought Kane was poor last night and Alli was pretty much all tournament, Trippier was class all tournament and the back three especially stones and maguire were good.

 

Semi finals with a young squad and manager gives us room to grow so enjoyed it overall

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