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Honestly I could not be nicer. I'm just an all round great bloke. I'm confident she would agree without me even having to remind her that this is only her first week back and things can change quickly. 

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1 hour ago, trooper said:

Pubs and restaurants barred from selling alcohol indoors for two weeks in most of Scotland. Pubs & restaurants in 5 areas must shut for all but takeaways. I wonder if Boris will follow their lead 

 

I can see this going down well in Glasgie.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Gemmill said:

Hey it's legal to have a cleaner in the house. It's only friends and family who are barred. 

Aye, I’ve told me dad he can come round to see the bairns if he cuts the lawn and cleans the windows 

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Looks like Newcastles bars and restaurants will be shut after today, the long term effects of this virus will decimate the north east, I'm in the camp of putting all our resources into protecting the vulnerable and getting back to normal 

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On 10/1/2020 at 16:56, ewerk said:

Do you suggest that those with pre-existing conditions confine themselves to a single room for the next six months? Or should their whole family isolate? How many people would that be isolating?

 

On 10/1/2020 at 16:59, ewerk said:

Also, what do we do with the rest of the population without pre-existing conditions who end up requiring hospitalisation? Just because you won't die from it doesn't mean that you won't become seriously ill.

 

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Isolate and protect the vulnerable, the virus is rife in the UK everyone is going to get it, the vast majority will have little to no symptoms, the ones that do need the resources and help, the track and trace system is a joke and when one of my apprentices caught it I was the one that had to ring around and tell the rest so that's no use.

 

The implications for not getting back to normal are IMO far worse than the current situation.

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I think the real economic damage has been done by delaying the inevitable. That and all the other catastrophic decisions previously. Like locking down too late, not locking down properly, waiting too long to make wearing masks compulsory, not really making wearing masks compulsory, not enforcing restrictions, coming out of lockdown too early, encouraging people to socialise, allowing hundreds of thousands of students to travel to university when they knew infection rates amongst that age group were high, etc, et-fucking-cetera 

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9 minutes ago, Carl said:

Isolate and protect the vulnerable, the virus is rife in the UK everyone is going to get it, the vast majority will have little to no symptoms, the ones that do need the resources and help, the track and trace system is a joke and when one of my apprentices caught it I was the one that had to ring around and tell the rest so that's no use.

 

The implications for not getting back to normal are IMO far worse than the current situation.

I think the implications of that would be absolutely horrific. The countries that have locked down properly and have a responsible population and effective track and trace have coped the best it would seem. So far anyway. The problem here is the halfway house has resulted in the worst of both worlds. A huge death rate and economic Armageddon 

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8 minutes ago, Carl said:

Isolate and protect the vulnerable, the virus is rife in the UK everyone is going to get it, the vast majority will have little to no symptoms, the ones that do need the resources and help, the track and trace system is a joke and when one of my apprentices caught it I was the one that had to ring around and tell the rest so that's no use.

 

The implications for not getting back to normal are IMO far worse than the current situation.

That doesn't answer anything. So the vulnerable aren't to leave their houses? And that goes for the rest of their families?

What about care homes? Do all the workers in those have to confine themselves to work for the next year and not see their families?

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How many years do we write off for this lockdown? I suspect we're at about a decade of austerity ahead. It could get worse.

 

I'm not at all blind to the arguments for locking down here but we aren't living the fallout yet. My entire adult life has been austerity, Tories, and complete political depression - it looks like i might be able to say that when I'm 60 as well.

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We’re an island. 
Of all the countries in Europe, we should have been the one to be able to keep the virus out/eradicate it quickly from our population, by imposing strict measures. 
 

If we weren’t run by a balding weasel from Durham, we could have. 

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1 minute ago, Rayvin said:

How many years do we write off for this lockdown? I suspect we're at about a decade of austerity ahead. It could get worse.

 

I'm not at all blind to the arguments for locking down here but we aren't living the fallout yet. My entire adult life has been austerity, Tories, and complete political depression - it looks like i might be able to say that when I'm 60 as well.

We could make it a whole lot easier by cancelling the whole Brexit fiasco. 

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5 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

How many years do we write off for this lockdown? I suspect we're at about a decade of austerity ahead. It could get worse.

 

I'm not at all blind to the arguments for locking down here but we aren't living the fallout yet. My entire adult life has been austerity, Tories, and complete political depression - it looks like i might be able to say that when I'm 60 as well.

But at least we'll have GOT BREXIT DONE in your lifetime and what an achievement in the life of the ordinary pleb. A bit like living your whole life watching one of those old cathedrals getting built centuries ago. :yahoo:

 

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16 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said:

We’re an island. 
Of all the countries in Europe, we should have been the one to be able to keep the virus out/eradicate it quickly from our population, by imposing strict measures.

 

Plus a huge opportunity to illustrate to the sceptical half of the public how Taking Back Control might have its benefits after all. Weird that they didn't want to, really. :scratchchin:

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30 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

How many years do we write off for this lockdown? I suspect we're at about a decade of austerity ahead. It could get worse.

 

I'm not at all blind to the arguments for locking down here but we aren't living the fallout yet. My entire adult life has been austerity, Tories, and complete political depression - it looks like i might be able to say that when I'm 60 as well.

It’ll be interesting to see if Johnson and Cunmings manage your retain the 1922’s support and beat off a rival leadership bid by Sunak once Brexit is done because Johnson, for all his faults, still seems to want to spend his way out of this. 

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8 minutes ago, Meenzer said:

 

Plus a huge opportunity to illustrate to the sceptical half of the public how Taking Back Control might have its benefits after all. Weird that they didn't want to, really. :scratchchin:

:lol: It was a Ukipper’s dream - close the borders, impose an authoritarian state, show the world how it’s done. 

It would meant someone taking responsibility for it though. 

 

Fucking shambles :lol:

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If it wasn't for the issue of the hospitals becoming overwhelmed, I would say just let the pubs stay open, and if you're stupid enough to want to take your chances for the sake of a drink, fucking go for it. 

 

I fucking hate this government. Track and trace needed to be done properly and we could all have returned to some degree of normality. It's not impossible, other countries have done it, but we are so fucking incompetent that we're stuck with this situation where businesses are just gonna have to go bust to bail these cunts out of their own mess. 

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So overnight stays may well be banned as well, which fucks up my upcoming lake district trip. Whatever the rights or wrongs, this state of affairs is fucking miserable and were only just in October. 

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3 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

If it wasn't for the issue of the hospitals becoming overwhelmed, I would say just let the pubs stay open, and if you're stupid enough to want to take your chances for the sake of a drink, fucking go for it. 

 

I fucking hate this government. Track and trace needed to be done properly and we could all have returned to some degree of normality. It's not impossible, other countries have done it, but we are so fucking incompetent that we're stuck with this situation where businesses not owned by the Cabinet or their mates are just gonna have to go bust to bail these cunts out of their own mess. 

FYP. 

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