PaddockLad 2,648 Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 My elderly aunt died last week...funeral is a week Monday in Edinburgh...not seen anything to tell me I can't go, lots to say I shouldn't though... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ewerk 6,220 Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 Sorry for both your losses. We do things differently over here so can’t offer much advice other than do what you what is right and safe for you. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Howmanheyman 4,436 Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 I've no idea either, lads and sorry about your losses. Tempted to say just turn up with a mask and play it by ear? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Monkeys Fist 7,019 Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 Condolences lads, sorry I can’t help you with advice. If it’s any consolation, I doubt Half Mancock or his advisors could help you either, and they made the rules. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PaddockLad 2,648 Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 23 minutes ago, Howmanheyman said: I've no idea either, lads and sorry about your losses. Tempted to say just turn up with a mask and play it by ear? Im definitely breaking the rules by staying at my brothers for two nights, but he’s got a massive house,...I’ve basically got a wing to myself There’s only 20 allowed to go, and you’ve got to give contact details because if COVID regs at the Crematorium....can’t see what they can do tbh.. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kid Dynamite 1,159 Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 I see the data coming out of the Oxford vaccine trial is looking ropier by the day. Cherry picking results, the 90% figure only tested in under 55s etc 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ewerk 6,220 Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 On 23/11/2020 at 10:10, ewerk said: Have they got enough evidence to verify the 90% figure? ewerk Times: Tomorrow’s News Yesterday 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alex 5,647 Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 A widely used vaccine that’s 90% effective for under 55s would stop a lot of transmission though. Obviously they aren’t the group most at risk but fortunately there are other options out there for them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alex 5,647 Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 @trophyshy @PaddockLad Sorry to hear that, lads 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NJS 772 Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Alex said: A widely used vaccine that’s 90% effective for under 55s would stop a lot of transmission though. Obviously they aren’t the group most at risk but fortunately there are other options out there for them. I was a bit depressed last night assuming the worst about the Oxford figure fiddling but you're right - 22.5 million over 55s and other vulnerable get Pfizer/Moderna and everybody else getting Oxford works out pretty well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheGingerQuiff 1,632 Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 12 hours ago, Kid Dynamite said: I see the data coming out of the Oxford vaccine trial is looking ropier by the day. Cherry picking results, the 90% figure only tested in under 55s etc Johnson probably asked for the results to be palatable Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Renton 2,088 Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 1 hour ago, NJS said: I was a bit depressed last night assuming the worst about the Oxford figure fiddling but you're right - 22.5 million over 55s and other vulnerable get Pfizer/Moderna and everybody else getting Oxford works out pretty well. I thought there was a lack of participants in the over 55 category, not that it was ineffective? And in fact data from the full dose cohort showed the vaccine is equally effective in all age groups? So I'm not sure whether the negativity here is justified tbh. Also I'm not aware of data from the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines stratified by age. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Gloom 2,934 Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 condolences @trophyshy and @PaddockLad 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NJS 772 Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 9 minutes ago, Renton said: I thought there was a lack of participants in the over 55 category, not that it was ineffective? And in fact data from the full dose cohort showed the vaccine is equally effective in all age groups? So I'm not sure whether the negativity here is justified tbh. Also I'm not aware of data from the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines stratified by age. You're right that it was lack of over 55s on the half dose regime rather than it failing but I thought the need for more data and an extended trial just delays things a bit. Having said that if the US doesn't accept it that might make the initial UK delivery more sure. I had the impression the other two were stated to be good across the entire age range but perhaps more or clearer data is needed there too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Meenzer 3,933 Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 17 hours ago, Anorthernsoul said: Higher cases in London and rising. Lower cases in the North East and falling. Went into Lockdown from Tier 2 and came out in Tier 3. Self serving fucking cunts couldn't give a fuck about the North. Mind, if it was the inner London boroughs that had the higher rates here, I reckon we'd be Tier 3 too. But because it's mostly the Tory-voting outskirts... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Renton 2,088 Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 50 minutes ago, NJS said: You're right that it was lack of over 55s on the half dose regime rather than it failing but I thought the need for more data and an extended trial just delays things a bit. Having said that if the US doesn't accept it that might make the initial UK delivery more sure. I had the impression the other two were stated to be good across the entire age range but perhaps more or clearer data is needed there too. It's definitely above the 50% efficacy threshold, it's safe (the technology behind it is well characterised), and cheap. I hope they roll it out ASAP. Once that happens though you can't ethically do another RCT against placebo, although you could trial the vaccines against each other. I've no idea how feasible that is though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Renton 2,088 Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 The horror of this shit show going into mid January is dawning on me now. Meals I had booked cancelled. Kid's pantomime, cancelled. No cafés to warm you up on a walk. Stuck at home for 2 weeks with the kids with fuck all to do. Oh, but you can see some extended family for 5 days at Xmas. Great Is it true that they have no real intention of reviewing this in 3 weeks time? We could be down to low levels by then. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NJS 772 Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 I think the bill says a fortnightly review but Hancock "promised" weekly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tom 2,993 Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Renton said: The horror of this shit show going into mid January is dawning on me now. Meals I had booked cancelled. Kid's pantomime, cancelled. No cafés to warm you up on a walk. Stuck at home for 2 weeks with the kids with fuck all to do. Oh, but you can see some extended family for 5 days at Xmas. Great Is it true that they have no real intention of reviewing this in 3 weeks time? We could be down to low levels by then. I think January is going to be worse sadly. By the time it’s over I won’t have had physical contact with another human being for a year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alex 5,647 Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 The combination of most people being in tier 3 and the 5 day Xmas relaxation of the rules is a recipe for disaster like. Especially when you factor in people who won’t understand the households having to be mutually exclusive then the people who’ll just take the piss Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Isegrim 1,807 Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 Goes well with the blue pills from Pfizer . 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alex 5,647 Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 They’re so fucking childish 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Fish 770 Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 20 minutes ago, Tom said: I think January is going to be worse sadly. By the time it’s over I won’t have had physical contact with another human being for a year. That's shit mate, sorry to hear it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tom 2,993 Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, The Fish said: That's shit mate, sorry to hear it. It is what it is, my conscious is clear at least. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ugly Mackems 46 Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 27 minutes ago, Tom said: I think January is going to be worse sadly. By the time it’s over I won’t have had physical contact with another human being for a year. Bloody hell. How has that situation happened? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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