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6 minutes ago, The Fish said:

Some might, but what's the point in playing for Arsenal in the Greed League? An extra few bob in their accounts, but no domestic medals, no international medals. Messi and Ronaldo aren't judged purely on the number of goals they've scored against elite clubs, but by the Copa del Rey trophies, the Champions League medals, the league titles, the World Cups, the Euros. Play for Spurs and get humped by Real Madrid and Man City every other week, win nowt and play in front of tourists, or play for West Ham in the Champions League, in front of a vociferous crowd, win FA cups, help Italy win the Euro and World cups and still have a big payday at the end of it.

 

The truly great players want more than just money, they want renown. That won't come from this new league.

Definitely no Ballon D'or either

 

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15 hours ago, Kitman said:

This isn’t a surprise. The “big 6” are doing to the PL what the PL did to the FA. Football lost its way as the people’s game a long time ago.

 

No, this is entirely different. The Premier League retained the football pyramid and bought a lot of positives to the game, along with some negatives. There are things to play for right until the end of the season. There is an underlying spirit of meritocracy albeit usually  debased by money in practice. Leicester showed what can be done.

 

This is different, it is contrary to meaning of football and in fact sport in general. I'm glad this has happened. Its clearly got no legs as it would be existential suicide from the named clubs (although if they disagree I am more than happy for them to fuck off). But it's shown up the clubs, and more importantly their owners, for the scum that they are. Only concerned about business models and elimination of uncertainty rather than sport itself. Greed will kill them. 

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Nah then.

This has really made me chuckle.  Sky have bank rolled the top league for decades and now all of a sudden you're getting the likes of Neville annoyed.  Hahha get away man.  Fans, including oursleves clamouring over each other for a sugar daddy to bank roll em into winning silverware. 

Well, this is where you end up.


 

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18 minutes ago, Ayatollah Hermione said:

The Americans have been after this for ages since they come from the worlds shittest sport, American Football where it’s all corporate franchises and an illusion of actual competition

There is very real actual competition, but the structure that really supports it - the college conveyor belt of talent isn't there for a global sport like Football, also there's a salary cap and teams have to let some of their best players "walk" because of it which also evens things up.

It's a model that works really well but only within the confines of the US - and some of the bazillionaire owners would even like to tear it down there and have unlimited spending.

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38 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

Nah then.

This has really made me chuckle.  Sky have bank rolled the top league for decades and now all of a sudden you're getting the likes of Neville annoyed.  Hahha get away man.  Fans, including oursleves clamouring over each other for a sugar daddy to bank roll em into winning silverware. 

Well, this is where you end up.


 

 

Good to hear from you mate & I 100% agree 👍

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10 minutes ago, Toonpack said:

There is very real actual competition, but the structure that really supports it - the college conveyor belt of talent isn't there for a global sport like Football, also there's a salary cap and teams have to let some of their best players "walk" because of it which also evens things up.

It's a model that works really well but only within the confines of the US - and some of the bazillionaire owners would even like to tear it down there and have unlimited spending.

No penalty for being the worst in the division, and in fact tanking the season is actually beneficial to get that 1st round draft pick you want. Teams just lifted out of their community and moved across the country because the owner's can get a bigger slice of the pie in Bumfuck Idaho. The game stopping for adverts. 

 

Nah, not for me. 

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2 hours ago, The Fish said:

Some might, but what's the point in playing for Arsenal in the Greed League? An extra few bob in their accounts, but no domestic medals, no international medals. Messi and Ronaldo aren't judged purely on the number of goals they've scored against elite clubs, but by the Copa del Rey trophies, the Champions League medals, the league titles, the World Cups, the Euros. Play for Spurs and get humped by Real Madrid and Man City every other week, win nowt and play in front of tourists, or play for West Ham in the Champions League, in front of a vociferous crowd, win FA cups, help Italy win the Euro and World cups and still have a big payday at the end of it.

 

The truly great players want more than just money, they want renown. That won't come from this new league.

Agreed, it baffles me all these people on Twitter etc going “what’s the point in the league without these 6 teams? Who would watch” to which the answer is fans of everyone else. The game will move on and quickly imo, there will be a short term hit and disruption, maybe a drop in revenue for the PL as some of the international audiences focus on this super league, but would that even be a bad thing? It might help get the European leagues on slightly more level footing money wise. My point is the more level the playing field that results from this is the quicker the international market will come back. There’s no way a 12 team mini league that has the exact same teams in every year will sustain interest, especially when as you say a lot of top players will steer clear, you’ll get the ones that will move purely for money as we see when players move to China etc but by and large most want to play in internationals, domestic leagues etc. 

 

These people as well going “who would want to watch Everton and Leicester compete for the league? Or West Ham v Real Betis in the CL?” I guess they missed out on the fact that less than a decade prior to their first PL title Manchester City were starting Paulo Wanchope up front. The game will simply move on tbh, provided the teams are actually banned from every other competition. The only way this thing causes real long term problems imo is if FIFA, UEFA, and domestic leagues back down as then it just makes a mockery out of everything and ruins all competition, if we boot them out of everything then the game will quickly recover. It’s pure arrogance on their part to assume they matter so much that the game would be completely ruined if 12 clubs that have won a lot of the prior competitions leave. 

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2 minutes ago, Howay said:

Agreed, it baffles me all these people on Twitter etc going “what’s the point in the league without these 6 teams? Who would watch” to which the answer is fans of everyone else. The game will move on and quickly imo, there will be a short term hit and disruption, maybe a drop in revenue for the PL as some of the international audiences focus on this super league, but would that even be a bad thing? It might help get the European leagues on slightly more level footing money wise. My point is the more level the playing field that results from this is the quicker the international market will come back. There’s no way a 12 team mini league that has the exact same teams in every year will sustain interest, especially when as you say a lot of top players will steer clear, you’ll get the ones that will move purely for money as we see when players move to China etc but by and large most want to play in internationals, domestic leagues etc. 

 

These people as well going “who would want to watch Everton and Leicester compete for the league? Or West Ham v Real Betis in the CL?” I guess they missed out on the fact that less than a decade prior to their first PL title Manchester City were starting Paulo Wanchope up front. The game will simply move on tbh, provided the teams are actually banned from every other competition. The only way this thing causes real long term problems imo is if FIFA, UEFA, and domestic leagues back down as then it just makes a mockery out of everything and ruins all competition, if we boot them out of everything then the game will quickly recover. It’s pure arrogance on their part to assume they matter so much that the game would be completely ruined if 12 clubs that have won a lot of the prior competitions leave. 

 

Absolutely, UEFA, FIFA,.and the FA simply can't back down on this. It has to be made clear that if a club joins this "league" then it's one way, no way back. Their players should be barred from all domestic competition and international fixtures. Let's see if they have the cajones to face these fuckers down, and in either case let's remember which clubs wanted this. 

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28 minutes ago, The Fish said:

No penalty for being the worst in the division, and in fact tanking the season is actually beneficial to get that 1st round draft pick you want. Teams just lifted out of their community and moved across the country because the owner's can get a bigger slice of the pie in Bumfuck Idaho. The game stopping for adverts. 

 

Nah, not for me. 

No-one tanks the season, ever.

Game doesn't stop for ads either, the ads happen when the game naturally stops - only stops when change of possession or a timeout and clock stops when the ball is out of play.

Moving is extremely rare, but that is the billionaire owner effect, when it does happen it's usually the perennially shit teams it happens to - and that's even with all their high draft picks.

Come back when you know what you are talking about, y'know, like fancy cheese on toast.

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27 minutes ago, Toonpack said:

No-one tanks the season, ever.

Game doesn't stop for ads either, the ads happen when the game naturally stops - only stops when change of possession or a timeout and clock stops when the ball is out of play.

Moving is extremely rare, but that is the billionaire owner effect, when it does happen it's usually the perennially shit teams it happens to - and that's even with all their high draft picks.

Come back when you know what you are talking about, y'know, like fancy cheese on toast.

Dolphins did it in 2019.

 

[quote]American football (NFL): The National Football League requires twenty commercial breaks per game or 16 starting in the 2018 season, with ten or 8 starting in the 2018 season in each half. Exceptions to this are overtime periods, which have none. These breaks run either a minute, or two minutes in length. Of the ten commercial breaks per half or 8 starting in the 2018 season, two are mandatory: at the end of the first or third quarter, and at the two-minute warning for the end of the half. The remaining eight or 6 breaks starting in the 2018 season are optional.[1] The timeouts can be applied after field goal tries, conversion attempts for both one and two points following touchdowns, changes in possession either by punts or turnovers, and kickoffs (except for the ones that start each half, or are within the last five minutes). The breaks are also called during stoppages due to injury, instant replay challenges, when either of the participating teams uses one of its set of timeouts, and if the network needs to catch up on its commercial advertisement schedule. The arrangement for college football contests is the same, except for the absence of the two-minute warning.[/quote]

 

But it happens way more often than in actual football.

 

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9 minutes ago, The Fish said:

Dolphins did it in 2019.

 

[quote]American football (NFL): The National Football League requires twenty commercial breaks per game or 16 starting in the 2018 season, with ten or 8 starting in the 2018 season in each half. Exceptions to this are overtime periods, which have none. These breaks run either a minute, or two minutes in length. Of the ten commercial breaks per half or 8 starting in the 2018 season, two are mandatory: at the end of the first or third quarter, and at the two-minute warning for the end of the half. The remaining eight or 6 breaks starting in the 2018 season are optional.[1] The timeouts can be applied after field goal tries, conversion attempts for both one and two points following touchdowns, changes in possession either by punts or turnovers, and kickoffs (except for the ones that start each half, or are within the last five minutes). The breaks are also called during stoppages due to injury, instant replay challenges, when either of the participating teams uses one of its set of timeouts, and if the network needs to catch up on its commercial advertisement schedule. The arrangement for college football contests is the same, except for the absence of the two-minute warning.[/quote]

 

But it happens way more often than in actual football.

 

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What did the Dolphins do in 2019?

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58 minutes ago, Howay said:

Agreed, it baffles me all these people on Twitter etc going “what’s the point in the league without these 6 teams? Who would watch” to which the answer is fans of everyone else. The game will move on and quickly imo, there will be a short term hit and disruption, maybe a drop in revenue for the PL as some of the international audiences focus on this super league, but would that even be a bad thing? It might help get the European leagues on slightly more level footing money wise. My point is the more level the playing field that results from this is the quicker the international market will come back. There’s no way a 12 team mini league that has the exact same teams in every year will sustain interest, especially when as you say a lot of top players will steer clear, you’ll get the ones that will move purely for money as we see when players move to China etc but by and large most want to play in internationals, domestic leagues etc. 

 

These people as well going “who would want to watch Everton and Leicester compete for the league? Or West Ham v Real Betis in the CL?” I guess they missed out on the fact that less than a decade prior to their first PL title Manchester City were starting Paulo Wanchope up front. The game will simply move on tbh, provided the teams are actually banned from every other competition. The only way this thing causes real long term problems imo is if FIFA, UEFA, and domestic leagues back down as then it just makes a mockery out of everything and ruins all competition, if we boot them out of everything then the game will quickly recover. It’s pure arrogance on their part to assume they matter so much that the game would be completely ruined if 12 clubs that have won a lot of the prior competitions leave. 

 

Aye, anyone saying they wouldn't want to watch a title race between Everton and Leicester are exactly the same as those who would have said they wouldn't want to watch a race between Man City and Chelsea 20 yrs ago.

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Bollocks man, read your post again, exactly what I said, ads in breaks in play. The game does not stop for an ad, the ads happen when the game stops.

How long is football actually happening in a 90 minute football game ?

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