Toonpack 11066 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Barnes is 28 end of this year, I reckon he is what he is, now. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 14547 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 It could be that Barnes is much better when he gets settled into the team and has a run of games but the quality of Gordon makes that look very unlikely unless the latter gets an injury. And he seems pretty durable up to now. It’s hard because he is a much better option off the bench than some other teams have but he probably also wants to start games. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 11066 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 He’s a great impact sub option, but I don’t see a role for him above that tbh. He didn’t even stand out against L2 opposition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 12251 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 It'll be interesting to see if he pushes for a move given the lack of playing time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 23338 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) 10 hours ago, Christmas Tree said: THIS IS NOT CRITICISM OF MILEY. Only thing I find strange about him is that he seems so laid back and chill, almost as if he could be checking his what’s apps while playing. Not sure he is like anyone else we have so not sure what he’s going to develop into. So gifted for his age. he looked so at home at number six, albeit against lower league opposition. this bodes really well. DM is one of the most difficult positions to play in the modern game. It’s no longer good enough to be a ball winner. You have to be able to receive the ball in tight spaces under pressure and play it forwards. If Miley can provide cover at number six and number eight, and the early signs are that he can, he could become a really important player for us. I agree with Alex’s remarks about his technical ceiling. I wouldn’t be surprised if he soon overtakes Sean and Willock in the pecking order. Edited January 14 by Dr Gloom 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 12251 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Just now, Dr Gloom said: he looked so at home at number six, albeit against lower league opposition. this bodes really well. DM is one of the most difficult positions to play in the modern game. It’s no longer good enough to be a ball winner. You have to be able to receive the ball in tight spaces under pressure and play it forwards. If Miley can provide cover at number six and number eight, and the early signs are that he can, he could become a really unprotected player for us. I agree with Alex’s remarks about his technical ceiling. I wouldn’t be surprised if he soon overtakes Sean and Willock in the pecking order. Willock continues to move down any pecking order due to being made of glass. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 49054 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 10 hours ago, Christmas Tree said: THIS IS NOT CRITICISM OF MILEY. Only thing I find strange about him is that he seems so laid back and chill, almost as if he could be checking his what’s apps while playing. Not sure he is like anyone else we have so not sure what he’s going to develop into. So gifted for his age. Having an 18 year old in centre mid who looks like he could have the pipe and slippers out, as Alan Hansen liked to say, is no bad thing. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 23338 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 24 minutes ago, Ayatollah Hermione said: It could be that Barnes is much better when he gets settled into the team and has a run of games but the quality of Gordon makes that look very unlikely unless the latter gets an injury. And he seems pretty durable up to now. It’s hard because he is a much better option off the bench than some other teams have but he probably also wants to start games. Barnes is a funny one. Great goal stats but when he isn’t scoring he can look like a passenger. I won’t be surprised if he’s the one we cash in on, as long as we get at least the money back that we paid for him. He’s more than good enough to start for a PL outfit. I’m not sure he’s an Eddie Howe player. You don’t see him doing the work off the ball that Gordon gets through. A useful weapon off the bench but increasingly looks a strange signing, particularly as he seemingly has no desire to player out wide on the right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 49054 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Barnes is one player that looks like he's regressed since he got here. Hope did one of his post match videos after Sunday and reckoned there was a body language problem in the first half, and then he got pulled at HT. He'll not last long with Howe if there's any truth in that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 49054 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 I will say though, it must be canny hard when you're not getting any starts, and the other lad in your position is so far ahead of you and a fan favourite. He always looked a decent player at Leicester, I thought. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 36434 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 It was more a criticism of Barnes’ performance than him as a player overall. Because form is so important and it’s difficult to get that without starts. There’s also a case of maybe trying too hard to impress in a match like the one at the weekend. And that sometimes makes you play worse, is detrimental to your decision making etc. But games do tend to pass him by when he starts. He’s been excellent on the whole as an impact sub. But with regard to my comments about selling him, for where we are as club and with the spending rules, that’s a lot of money on wages and a transfer fee with someone who is only getting 30 minutes or so. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 49054 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 I wonder if he was bought with the expectation of Europe in mind. With a Europa League campaign to deal with this season, he'd have had a canny few starts you would think. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 35855 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Barnes is a very good finisher but also a bit lightweight for our side and that's when he gets games never mind if he's carrying an injury or only getting odd appearances. However, you can't forget the games he's come on and got us points. It's a tricky one and I'm not sure there'd be too many clubs at the minute in this PSR world who would be giving us our money back? The best you could probably hope for is a loan and maybe Eddie would rather have him to put him on during a game when we need him to get us a goal? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 22358 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Re Miley & Longstaff. Miley for a bairn is a big lad and doesn't go down flapping his arms like a fanny every second. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 32662 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 23 minutes ago, Gemmill said: He always looked a decent player at Leicester, I thought. Aye but you were watching him from a distance. If you looked at his highlights reel from this season an outsider would think he's done pretty well. It's what he offers when he isn't scoring that's the issue and that's clearer to us because we're watching every game. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 23338 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 34 minutes ago, ewerk said: Aye but you were watching him from a distance. If you looked at his highlights reel from this season an outsider would think he's done pretty well. It's what he offers when he isn't scoring that's the issue and that's clearer to us because we're watching every game. agreed. he's one of the best finishers at the club but now we have seen him week in week out, he feels like a luxury player. a useful bloke to bring off the bench when you're chasing a goal but doesn't put the work in that howe demands to justify starting ahead of gordon. he has the technical ability to usurp murphy at RW. but he needs to embrace the eddie howe way and he hasn't so far shown that he will do the off the ball work required. his main threat also seems to be cutting in from the left and shooting on his right. he has looked toothless when he has played on the right and he doesn't graft as hard as murphy so it's hard to make the case for him starting on either flank. he'll also be on a big wage. i can see him being sold in the summer if he doesn't force his way into the team before then. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 12251 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 He's not scoring anymore either. Even as an impact sub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11295 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 14 hours ago, Christmas Tree said: THIS IS NOT CRITICISM OF MILEY. Only thing I find strange about him is that he seems so laid back and chill, almost as if he could be checking his what’s apps while playing. Not sure he is like anyone else we have so not sure what he’s going to develop into. So gifted for his age. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11295 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 3 hours ago, Dr Gloom said: agreed. he's one of the best finishers at the club but now we have seen him week in week out, he feels like a luxury player. a useful bloke to bring off the bench when you're chasing a goal but doesn't put the work in that howe demands to justify starting ahead of gordon. he has the technical ability to usurp murphy at RW. but he needs to embrace the eddie howe way and he hasn't so far shown that he will do the off the ball work required. his main threat also seems to be cutting in from the left and shooting on his right. he has looked toothless when he has played on the right and he doesn't graft as hard as murphy so it's hard to make the case for him starting on either flank. he'll also be on a big wage. i can see him being sold in the summer if he doesn't force his way into the team before then. I'd 100% get rid of Barnes if the fee was what we paid for him or more. He's a great option from the bench, as has been mentioned, but only in games where the opponent is stretched. If they're happy to cede ground and possession, only really putting us under any pressure when we get 25yds from their goal, well I don't think he can play round an entrenched back line, I don't think he has the alacrity of thought. His trick is unbelievable. Phenomenal finisher, good pace. But it's one trick. Gordon and Murphy (to a lesser degree) have more variety to their game. Shove Barnes and Almiron into a Transmogrification Device and we'd have a helluva a player. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 23338 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 7 minutes ago, The Fish said: I'd 100% get rid of Barnes if the fee was what we paid for him or more. He's a great option from the bench, as has been mentioned, but only in games where the opponent is stretched. If they're happy to cede ground and possession, only really putting us under any pressure when we get 25yds from their goal, well I don't think he can play round an entrenched back line, I don't think he has the alacrity of thought. His trick is unbelievable. Phenomenal finisher, good pace. But it's one trick. Gordon and Murphy (to a lesser degree) have more variety to their game. Shove Barnes and Almiron into a Transmogrification Device and we'd have a helluva a player. Miggy’s pace and work rate + Harvey’s finishing = the ultimate Eddie Howe player 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 8242 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 20 hours ago, The Fish said: I'd 100% get rid of Barnes if the fee was what we paid for him or more. He's a great option from the bench, as has been mentioned, but only in games where the opponent is stretched. If they're happy to cede ground and possession, only really putting us under any pressure when we get 25yds from their goal, well I don't think he can play round an entrenched back line, I don't think he has the alacrity of thought. His trick is unbelievable. Phenomenal finisher, good pace. But it's one trick. Gordon and Murphy (to a lesser degree) have more variety to their game. Shove Barnes and Almiron into a Transmogrification Device and we'd have a helluva a player. That said I think you're wrong about Barnes being a one trick pony. He's shown a good cross and variety of passing. This season he's scoring a goal per 155 minutes played which puts him in the top echelon, he'd get more assists if he played more also, as through his career he has a good record there. I don't think he's fully fit since his serious injury, he's not had the chance to play consistently being rightfully behind Gordon. He does lack physicality and tackling ability which will be part of why Howe will prefer Gordon. I agree that for the right price we should consider selling. He's had a positive impact when he's been available for us but he's never going to unseat Gordon and only because of PSR selling him to strengthen our squad elsewhere (RW and cover up front) would make total sense. That said, if he returns to full fitness and we make champions league next season then selling him would make less sense. He really should have got stuck into trying to play on the right. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 23338 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 7 minutes ago, OTF said: That said I think you're wrong about Barnes being a one trick pony. He's shown a good cross and variety of passing. This season he's scoring a goal per 155 minutes played which puts him in the top echelon, he'd get more assists if he played more also, as through his career he has a good record there. I don't think he's fully fit since his serious injury, he's not had the chance to play consistently being rightfully behind Gordon. He does lack physicality and tackling ability which will be part of why Howe will prefer Gordon. I agree that for the right price we should consider selling. He's had a positive impact when he's been available for us but he's never going to unseat Gordon and only because of PSR selling him to strengthen our squad elsewhere (RW and cover up front) would make total sense. That said, if he returns to full fitness and we make champions league next season then selling him would make less sense. He really should have got stuck into trying to play on the right. i think we keep him this window, not least because he's injured, and we're bound to pick up more injuries and he'll get another chance to have a run of games at some point. if he doesn't force his way into the first team conversation by the end of the season, i think he could be away in the summer. he's in his peak years and he's good enough to be starting games at a PL club, if not for us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11295 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, OTF said: That said I think you're wrong about Barnes being a one trick pony. He's shown a good cross and variety of passing. This season he's scoring a goal per 155 minutes played which puts him in the top echelon, he'd get more assists if he played more also, as through his career he has a good record there. I don't think he's fully fit since his serious injury, he's not had the chance to play consistently being rightfully behind Gordon. He does lack physicality and tackling ability which will be part of why Howe will prefer Gordon. I agree that for the right price we should consider selling. He's had a positive impact when he's been available for us but he's never going to unseat Gordon and only because of PSR selling him to strengthen our squad elsewhere (RW and cover up front) would make total sense. That said, if he returns to full fitness and we make champions league next season then selling him would make less sense. He really should have got stuck into trying to play on the right. Could have saved yourself a lot of hassle and just written this, to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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