Renton 27450 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 10 minutes ago, The Fish said: It's not the same man, if you talk to a reasonable mackem or Sunderland fan about the city centre and they agree it's a shit hole. They agree that some mackems or Sunderland fans are an embarrassment, they agree that there are racists. Try that shit with a scouser and tell me what happens? They are different, and sure maybe it's decades of a feedback loop of that being said out loud, but it's definitely true now. Put it this way, I worked with a stand up who was highly educated, wasn't a football fan, and came from Formby. He would joke and laugh about anything; his baldness, his bad luck with women, even his dead dad. But any criticism of Liverpool (be it justified or not) and he snapped back with excuses and explanations (like you are). My wife won't hear criticism without defending the place. Every scouser I've ever met has been this way. This hasn't been the case with people from Manchester, Leeds, Sheffield, Hull, Boro, Sunderland. It's not been the case with people from Leicester, Nottingham, Derby. Londoners are arrogant about the capital, but even they'll admit to there being problems with it. And yet the mackems will say we're exactly the same when talking about Newcastle. Because arguing from personal anecdote is always right. Anyway, sounds like you may need some marital advice to me. I wouldn't ask it from Gemmill mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 12413 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 1 minute ago, Renton said: And yet the mackems will say we're exactly the same when talking about Newcastle. Because arguing from personal anecdote is always right. Anyway, sounds like you may need some marital advice to me. I wouldn't ask it from Gemmill mind. No, the reasonable ones don't. And given there isn't empirical data about the ultra-defensiveness of scousers, I'll have to use anecdotal evidence. And the second line? Unsurprisingly Liverpool doesn't come up that often mate, and we laugh about it when she gets defensive. My marriage is great Renton, but thanks for the concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 38789 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 I think the term you're all looking for is 'scouse exceptionalism' and there's no doubt that it exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 22232 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 England's only "Celtic" city. A mix of the North Welsh and immigrant Irish for centuries. When they say "scouse not English" there is a degree of historical accuracy.. They are going to be different due to this. There are huge Irish diaspora populations in other UK cities (am descended from the Manc strain) but no other has the unique mix with the Cymru in its DNA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 11963 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 There is a fuckload of ignorance surrounding Heysel propagated largely by the British press and swallowed up by the common football fan pissed off that all English clubs were thrown out as a result. There were a lot of factors that contributed to what happened at Heysel. The behaviour of the Liverpool fans was one, but wasn't definitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 11963 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 That said, I still maintain my earlier view that people from Liverpool have a massive chip on their shoulders and conveniently believe the rest of the world hates them. It's like they want that to be the case. Situations like booing the national anthem doesn't help their situation at all. They are a bunch of self-pitying cunts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 28109 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 Funny how they never bring up their city having such a huge part on slave trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 28109 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 Anyways that's another thread. Let's keep it civils lads eh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 13888 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 8 minutes ago, Craig said: There is a fuckload of ignorance surrounding Heysel propagated largely by the British press ?? elaborate please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 4891 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 37 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: England's only "Celtic" city. A mix of the North Welsh and immigrant Irish for centuries. When they say "scouse not English" there is a degree of historical accuracy.. They are going to be different due to this. There are huge Irish diaspora populations in other UK cities (am descended from the Manc strain) but no other has the unique mix with the Cymru in its DNA In 1909 it was called the English Belfast because of the sectarian hatred between Catholic and Protestants in the city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 11963 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 No thanks. A rabbit hole I'm going nowhere near. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 38789 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 15 minutes ago, wykikitoon said: Anyways that's another thread. Let's keep it civils lads eh You know something is badly wrong when wyki is calling for calm. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 4891 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 Newcastle has a massive Irish identity which is forgotten mainly due to the Irish immigrants being welcomed and integrated into the community when they came. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 15197 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 18 minutes ago, thebrokendoll said: ?? elaborate please. I think he's saying it wasn't the scousers fault 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 27450 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 1 hour ago, The Fish said: . My marriage is great Renton, but thanks for the concern. The fact you had to mention this at all... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 27450 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 56 minutes ago, ewerk said: I think the term you're all looking for is 'scouse exceptionalism' and there's no doubt that it exists. Definitely. And you can see the same in Newcastle, Yorkshire, Scotland, anywhere with a strong identity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 38789 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 There’s a big difference between pride and exceptionalism. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 13888 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 15 minutes ago, Toonpack said: I think he's saying it wasn't the scousers fault 🙄 I think on the whole the british press other than the initial outrage have given the murderers an easy ride and still do. that article i linked to earlier from the bbc is typical. I was 22 at the time of heysel and thought I was a bit if a lad, EVERY fucker knew the dippers were out for revenge in belgium because a few of their lot had been stabbed in the arse in rome the year before. and boy did they fucking get it. any attempt to lessen liverpool supporters proportion of the blane for heysel is a fucking disgraceful slight on those who died and their families. no fucking pathetic, hidden away tribute to the 'friendship' between the two clubs will alter the fact theyre despised in turin and rightfully so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 27450 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 40byears ago man, half the perpetrators will be dead. Did you hold a grudge against the Germans in the 1990s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 13888 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 1 minute ago, Renton said: 40byears ago man, half the perpetrators will be dead. Did you hold a grudge against the Germans in the 1990s? and this is exactly what they want. pretend it didnt happen or blame aome fucker else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 11963 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 41 minutes ago, Toonpack said: I think he's saying it wasn't the scousers fault 🙄 You think wrong. I'm saying there were multiple factors responsible. I have not suggested the Liverpool fans were blameless however there is an ignorance that they were solely to blame. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 17787 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 5 minutes ago, Renton said: 40byears ago man, half the perpetrators will be dead. Did you hold a grudge against the Germans in the 1990s? Did the post-war Germans try to "both sides" what happened in WW2? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 15452 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 Just now, Meenzer said: Did the post-war Germans try to "both sides" what happened in WW2? “listen lads we’d all had a drink & the stag do got a little out of hand” 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 43367 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 Just now, Meenzer said: Did the post-war Germans try to "both sides" what happened in WW2? Meenzer dropping in like.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 27450 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 Just now, Meenzer said: Did the post-war Germans try to "both sides" what happened in WW2? Maybe not, but then again they literally inflicted genocide, which is slightly worse in my book. I don't blame Germans now though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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