Optimistic Nut 9 Posted April 17, 2006 Author Share Posted April 17, 2006 (edited) ...and after the Sunderland game. 1. Manchester United.......11.........31pts 2. Liverpool......................13.........28pts 3. Chelsea........................11.........25pts 4. Newcastle United.........12.........25pts 5. Tottenham Hotspur......11.........20pts 6. Arsenal.........................10.........19pts Edited April 17, 2006 by Optimistic Nut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock Manson 0 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 Definitely would be in Europe had Souness been sacked earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinofbeans 86 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 thats the trouble with this club... its the directors and the managers relationships. bobby robson did really really well until he sold solano, as he got the best out of a variety of goodish players and misfits that would have caused havoc at most clubs. souness tried ( in my humble opinion) to rule with a rod of iron and for players like bellamy and dyer thet does not work. he also made several very silly signings. the best thing we can hope for is that the manager that comes in is given a free reign over the place, but listens to the locals... and i really do not want sven (no plan B....) there... we need a new defence, the midfield needs reinforcement and up front we're thin.... time to get rid of the dead wood and get some free transfers that are hungry.... and want to win.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6289 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 ...and after the Sunderland game. 1. Manchester United.......11.........31pts 2. Liverpool......................13.........28pts 3. Chelsea........................11.........25pts 4. Newcastle United.........12.........25pts 5. Tottenham Hotspur......11.........20pts 6. Arsenal.........................10.........19pts 122504[/snapback] Are you doing that by hand Nut or are you using Michael Wray's spreadsheet to work it out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut 9 Posted April 17, 2006 Author Share Posted April 17, 2006 I've worked it out using www.football365.com's statistic section, and month-by-month league tables & results. There may be one or two mistakes though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6289 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 looks pretty spot on to me. Get a hold of that sheet though mate http://www.michaelwray.co.nz There's a sheet dedicated to form and you can specify a date. I've got it plumbed in to show the form since 2nd Feb 2006! The prediction sheet makes interesting reading mind, it reckons we'll finish 6th on GD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8950 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 definitely would want to keep Roeder working with the first team in some capacity. I don't, however, think he's the man to take us onwards and upwards. yes what he has acheived is mightily impressive, but remember that the tail end to our season has been pretty good to us, especially meeting teams who's form was dipping just at the right time. (Evert on, Bolton, Tottenham, Boro) We did lose to Liverpool, Man U and Chelsea under Roeder, but more importantly I believe that we were totally outclassed in those games. Worryingly, this is the level we should be aiming for. Roeder deserves a role, but he cannot be expected to bring success to NUFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6289 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 We did lose to Liverpool, Man U and Chelsea under Roeder, but more importantly I believe that we were totally outclassed in those games.122738[/snapback] I think that is more testament to the lack of quality within the squad, something which Roeder cannot be blamed for as he took charge after the transfer window closed. The squad we have isn't good enough to challenge the top 3 and therefore I think it's unjustified somewhat to judge Roeder's ability on the basis of the results we got in those games. That said, the question was put to me yesterday "would I be happy if Roeder got the job permanently?". The answer is that I simply don't know. Tactically, I think he's got the ability to take us where we want to go. What we don't know of course is if he can do the business in the transfer market. Someone pointed out yesterday that he showed he can't because he signed Repka. Every manager buys at least one shit player during their time at a club (Keegan - Hooper & McDonough, Ferguson - Taibi, Wenger - Jeffers, etc) so I don't think we can automatically knock the bloke off one signing. What does interest me is that he is a manager who was a defender in his playing days and therefore thinks with a defensive mind. Everyone knows that defensively, we've been fucking shite for years but when you look at our recent history of managers: Souness (Midfielder) Robson (Winger) Gullit (Midfielder) Dalglish (Striker) Keegan (Striker) Ardiles (Midfielder) maybe there's a link? (and yes, I know Ardiles and Gullit [in later years] were defensive midfielders). Personally I think the major difference since Roeder took the reins is the defence. We're a million times better! Do we take him over O'Neill? Definitely not! But if it's between the likes of Curbishley, Allardyce, McLaren, etc I'd take Glenn every time. I certainly think he should have some involvement in coaching the first team - defensive coach perhaps? (That ought to piss Lawro off - still bitter about being fired Mark? ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 2929 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 (edited) We did lose to Liverpool, Man U and Chelsea under Roeder, but more importantly I believe that we were totally outclassed in those games.122738[/snapback] I think that is more testament to the lack of quality within the squad, something which Roeder cannot be blamed for as he took charge after the transfer window closed. The squad we have isn't good enough to challenge the top 3 and therefore I think it's unjustified somewhat to judge Roeder's ability on the basis of the results we got in those games. That said, the question was put to me yesterday "would I be happy if Roeder got the job permanently?". The answer is that I simply don't know. Tactically, I think he's got the ability to take us where we want to go. What we don't know of course is if he can do the business in the transfer market. Someone pointed out yesterday that he showed he can't because he signed Repka. Every manager buys at least one shit player during their time at a club (Keegan - Hooper & McDonough, Ferguson - Taibi, Wenger - Jeffers, etc) so I don't think we can automatically knock the bloke off one signing. What does interest me is that he is a manager who was a defender in his playing days and therefore thinks with a defensive mind. Everyone knows that defensively, we've been fucking shite for years but when you look at our recent history of managers: Souness (Midfielder) Robson (Winger) Gullit (Midfielder) Dalglish (Striker) Keegan (Striker) Ardiles (Midfielder) maybe there's a link? (and yes, I know Ardiles and Gullit [in later years] were defensive midfielders). Personally I think the major difference since Roeder took the reins is the defence. We're a million times better! Do we take him over O'Neill? Definitely not! But if it's between the likes of Curbishley, Allardyce, McLaren, etc I'd take Glenn every time. I certainly think he should have some involvement in coaching the first team - defensive coach perhaps? (That ought to piss Lawro off - still bitter about being fired Mark? ) 122744[/snapback] Craig, I can't believe you are overlooking the real reason for the improvement in our defence, the rise and world domination of Romoreeio! Edited April 18, 2006 by sammynb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17628 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 We did lose to Liverpool, Man U and Chelsea under Roeder, but more importantly I believe that we were totally outclassed in those games.122738[/snapback] I think that is more testament to the lack of quality within the squad, something which Roeder cannot be blamed for as he took charge after the transfer window closed. The squad we have isn't good enough to challenge the top 3 and therefore I think it's unjustified somewhat to judge Roeder's ability on the basis of the results we got in those games. That said, the question was put to me yesterday "would I be happy if Roeder got the job permanently?". The answer is that I simply don't know. Tactically, I think he's got the ability to take us where we want to go. What we don't know of course is if he can do the business in the transfer market. Someone pointed out yesterday that he showed he can't because he signed Repka. Every manager buys at least one shit player during their time at a club (Keegan - Hooper & McDonough, Ferguson - Taibi, Wenger - Jeffers, etc) so I don't think we can automatically knock the bloke off one signing. What does interest me is that he is a manager who was a defender in his playing days and therefore thinks with a defensive mind. Everyone knows that defensively, we've been fucking shite for years but when you look at our recent history of managers: Souness (Midfielder) Robson (Winger) Gullit (Midfielder) Dalglish (Striker) Keegan (Striker) Ardiles (Midfielder) maybe there's a link? (and yes, I know Ardiles and Gullit [in later years] were defensive midfielders). Personally I think the major difference since Roeder took the reins is the defence. We're a million times better! Do we take him over O'Neill? Definitely not! But if it's between the likes of Curbishley, Allardyce, McLaren, etc I'd take Glenn every time. I certainly think he should have some involvement in coaching the first team - defensive coach perhaps? (That ought to piss Lawro off - still bitter about being fired Mark? ) 122744[/snapback] Good post Craig; worryingly I'm starting to agree with you a fair bit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy capp 0 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 doesnt roeder have brain cancer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17628 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 FFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 (edited) Do we take him over O'Neill? Definitely not! But if it's between the likes of Curbishley, Allardyce, McLaren, etc I'd take Glenn every time. I certainly think he should have some involvement in coaching the first team - defensive coach perhaps? (That ought to piss Lawro off - still bitter about being fired Mark? ) 122744[/snapback] 'tis a good post If we're not going to get a top european coach (which I'm pretty certain we're not), I would only take O'Neill and maybe Allardyce over Glenn now. I like the way he goes about it: quiet; calm; minimum of fuss; to the point That could be just what we need, we've been the comedy club in the eyes of the press for far too long. If Roeder can ship out the expensive flops and bring in some honest pros I think we would benefit, in the long term, from having a lower profile in the next couple of years. Edited April 18, 2006 by Dr Kenneth Noisewater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6289 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 Why's that worrying, yer daft shite? Some people think if I go back to being chayton i'll start talking sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6289 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 I like the way he goes about it: quiet; calm; minimum of fuss; to the point122806[/snapback] Doesn't sound like he was calm and quiet yesterday - what did he say? I've stripped the paint off the tiles in the dressing room! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34184 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 I like the way he goes about it: quiet; calm; minimum of fuss; to the point122806[/snapback] Doesn't sound like he was calm and quiet yesterday - what did he say? I've stripped the paint off the tiles in the dressing room! 122822[/snapback] I know it's the mackems, but vandalism is not a laughing matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6289 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 Ah well, at least it gives them something to spend their Premiership position winnings on. How much is tile paint again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zico martin 84 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 Do we take him over O'Neill? Definitely not! But if it's between the likes of Curbishley, Allardyce, McLaren, etc I'd take Glenn every time. I certainly think he should have some involvement in coaching the first team - defensive coach perhaps? (That ought to piss Lawro off - still bitter about being fired Mark? ) 122744[/snapback] 'tis a good post If we're not going to get a top european coach (which I'm pretty certain we're not), I would only take O'Neill and maybe Allardyce over Glenn now. I like the way he goes about it: quiet; calm; minimum of fuss; to the point That could be just what we need, we've been the comedy club in the eyes of the press for far too long. If Roeder can ship out the expensive flops and bring in some honest pros I think we would benefit, in the long term, from having a lower profile in the next couple of years. 122806[/snapback] you dont mean proper players do you? sounds familiar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8950 Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 our defense was comparable to Arsenals under Keegan, and our defense was good under Robson as well. it's a good theory, but I think that our best bet is to hire a top rate manager, rather than a man who might become one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 our defense was comparable to Arsenals under Keegan, and our defense was good under Robson as well. it's a good theory, but I think that our best bet is to hire a top rate manager, rather than a man who might become one. 123770[/snapback] Is your sig a pisstake btw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zico martin 84 Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 our defense was comparable to Arsenals under Keegan, and our defense was good under Robson as well. it's a good theory, but I think that our best bet is to hire a top rate manager, rather than a man who might become one. 123770[/snapback] Is your sig a pisstake btw? 123772[/snapback] which part? good to see another Johnny Cash fan tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 Are them M3Powers any good? Keep meaning to get one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 our defense was comparable to Arsenals under Keegan, and our defense was good under Robson as well. it's a good theory, but I think that our best bet is to hire a top rate manager, rather than a man who might become one. 123770[/snapback] Is your sig a pisstake btw? 123772[/snapback] which part? good to see another Johnny Cash fan tbh 123804[/snapback] The Gillette M3Power Owner bit mainly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zico martin 84 Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 our defense was comparable to Arsenals under Keegan, and our defense was good under Robson as well. it's a good theory, but I think that our best bet is to hire a top rate manager, rather than a man who might become one. 123770[/snapback] Is your sig a pisstake btw? 123772[/snapback] which part? good to see another Johnny Cash fan tbh 123804[/snapback] The Gillette M3Power Owner bit mainly. 123807[/snapback] why are they no good like? Ive gotta be honest I usually save my money by buying cheapy bic orange razors which do the job like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut 9 Posted April 22, 2006 Author Share Posted April 22, 2006 ...and after the WBA game. 1. Manchester United.......11.........31pts 2. Newcastle United.........13.........28pts 2. Liverpool......................13.........28pts 3. Chelsea........................11.........25pts 5. Tottenham Hotspur......12.........21pts 6. Arsenal.........................11.........20pts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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