Warlord
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30 minutes ago, Howay said:
You should immediately stop following football for a start, remember not just Newcastle is involved in this, Qatari money is flowing through FIFA, UEFA, and Paris, along with all of the money the Abu Dhabi group has pumped into numerous clubs around the world, or do we not count any of those because the Saudis do more bad stuff than them?
After you stop bothering with football you might wonder to yourself what should I do with my free time, please make sure you don’t watch boxing (took Saudi money), nor can you watch something like the WWE (again, Saudi money), suppose horse racing and the F1 are out as well? Yep, ok, well maybe don’t look at Twitter as well since they’re involved in that. You likely shouldn’t be driving seeing as Aramco oil is a possible source of petrol, also don’t use Uber.
I will then need you to google everything SoftBank invests in, as yeah the Saudis are invested in them. That goes with their vision fund that they invested in with Apple and Microsoft (both upstanding company’s you should have zero qualms when using the products of).
You’re getting close, have to stop reading anything the Independent puts out btw, which includes moral compass Miguel Delaney’s latest news on what you should do, unfortunately Miguel’s pay cheque comes from the part Saudi owned paper and he uses Twitter.
Ah so that's the argument, there's other clubs owned by dodgy foreigners so this is ok? It's a terrible argument which is why journalists are laughing about it, not because they hate Newcastle.
Buying products from Amazon, watching F1 or a boxing fight in Saudi is in no way comparable to actually wanting, yes wanting your club to be owned by the Saudi Royal Prince and family. Great example for young kids growing as fans, researching the roots of their club and finding out they are owned directly by a family that dismembers journalists and murders entire populations for political gain. It's utterly embarrassing and this argument your using regarding Saudi money here there and everywhere is pathetic, it doesn't come close to this situation.
If it happens, there's not much fans can do about it, but actively supporting it, making excuses for it and even trying to downplay the significance is a terrible look.
Can someone explain why they think the premier league should pass them under 'fit and proper' that isn't "But what about PSG"
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39 minutes ago, Rayvin said:
My opinion of the Saudis hasn't changed. They are immoral based on western cultural norms. As is the USA, as is the UK, as is Mike Ashley.
Now what? I just keep finding reasons to be miserable? I didn't make this a race to the bottom, society did.
This is a football club, not a political movement.
They are immoral based on western cultural norms? No, they are hideously immoral full stop, we have a universal understanding of basic human rights...like not persecuting gay people or treating women as a sub species. The fact you've had to phrase that so tactically says a lot.
It's not difficult, if you made a scale of how disgusting these people are, the Saudi Royal family would score far higher than Mike Ashley.
How are you meant to protest against the Saudi genocide as Yemen as a Newcastle fan with the prince as your owner? It's a complete embarrassment which why the thing to do is protest the sale and not show support to it.
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4 minutes ago, ewerk said:
So there are positives to take from all this. Glad you agree.
Don't get too excited Tommy
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11 minutes ago, Rayvin said:
My responsibility to affect this stuff happening is at the voting booth. That's where my responsibility ends. My conscience is clear on that front.
Beyond that, I can't control this so I'm going to find the positives in it. You do you.
No it isn't, no matter how much you kid your self.
Responsibility to effect something does not define moral stance. I have the same opinion on the Saudi's regardless of what the Government does and so should you. Your responsibility is being logically consistent, which would be that you find this group completely immoral. If you agree with that, you look like a bit of an idiot complaining about Journalists and should admit that it's an awful association for the club to have.
Looking at the positives to being owned by a royal family that inflicts genocide on millions, stones gay people to death and suppresses women is a complete cop out. The positive is completely discarding morals, clearly.
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1 hour ago, Rayvin said:
I think it's fair to say that the journalists aren't winning hearts and minds from our lot on this.
We're going to have a club-wide siege mentality at this rate. As Strawb says, thick skins from here on out. The fact that they're going for the fans is what gets me in particular. We live in a country where the government won't stand up to Saudi Arabia, where the voters don't care about it enough to change that, and where a series of businesses fall over themselves to absorb Saudi money left and right anyway. But no, it's a bunch of long suffering football fans who have to take the moral stand and who will be pilloried for not doing so.
Fuck off. Have the balls to change the whole fucking system or just fuck off. As far as I'm concerned, this is our late stage capitalism dividend.
You're conflating multiple different issues to try and justify this, it's embarrassing for the club for and should be an ethical problem for any none firestick fan.
The fact the current Tory Government wont stand up to this family is no justification for getting directly in bed for them. The fact you disagree with the Government's relationship with Saudi says a lot doesn't it? Ethically it's pretty simple, we are going to be owned by a rotten individual who makes Mike Ashley look like a saint. If you are ignorant of all of this anyway and 'dont care about politics' then whatever but if you are someone who finds the Saudi family disgusting, condems their genocide in Yemen, the assassinations, treatment of women, gays etc then you should be disgusted at this and not at all impressed that the clubs history is now intertwined with the Saudi family. We are meant to celebrate arm in arm with people like that who you would otherwise find abhorrent? You can just look the other way when its people like this.
At the very least, all those who were vocal criticizing Ashley's ethics with stuff like the price hike need to buckle themselves in for a long ride, unless you are a massive hypocrite you should be seething about some of the stuff this lot get up to.
It's dark days and deeply embarassing.
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What bit is edgy, opposing militant Islamism and/or supporting basic human rights?