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  1. Found the dedicated thread. Yey. Can now talk about it without feeling the guilt of spoiling it for others.

    I support Gemmill's stance of not trying to spoil any show, film or book for anyone but when a program has been on nearly a year ago I don't really think anyone should have to second guess whether someone has seen it. I didn't start watching GOT until the third season was about to show and I'd picked up some spoilers by then but I just accepted that because it's not anyone elses fault that I was so far behind.

    I don't agree with what Haydnator is saying in general about Stannis and the show runners feelings for him. I've seen that levelled at them before and I don't buy it. He seems to be a character that a lot of book readers love (I'm not really one of them) and because some of his story/actions/lines haven't been quite the same in the show it's been taken that they hate him and want to destroy him.

    It's not just because some of his actions have been changed, but it seems like they've completely changed his character. Aye, they have a limited budget to work with and they have to fit it all into 10 hours of TV, but one of the most favoured and supported characters from the books has been completely changed. If you've read the books, it should be staring you in the face how much they've changed him for the worse.

    For me you're reading something into it that's not there. They've trimmed and changed things largely because they have to make a ten episode season work. Sometimes that means some of our (and I'm sure their) favourite bits get cut. There's nothing more too it than that. And there was no chance he was ever going on end up on the Iron Throne anyway.

    True, like both of us have said, they have a limited budget to work with and they have to fit it all into 10 hours so they can't have every character and every plot line from the books in the show. But some parts in the show were unnecessarily there, and I thought were just there for shock value, such as the burning of Shireen and the parts in Dorne, both of which were, imho, badly written. If it's to water down the parts in Dorne and the North in the 4th and 5th books then fair enough, but Stannis' scenes in the North were written poorly. Think about it, one of the greatest commanders in Westeros at the time is killed by a ugly bastard who wields his sword like a butcher's knife and little military credibility, because of the world's most convenient plot device of "20 good men". I don't mind if Stannis does lose the battle in Winds of Winter, but they could have demonstrated it with blatant character assassination.

    It's one of John Snow or dragon tits for me but I've never thought of it as particularly important anyway.

    And I think those two are the most likely as well, if the R+L=J theory is indeed true. Which it most likely is.

    Oh and they have to divert away from the books as they have no book to stick to at the minute. Winds of Winter isn't out yet and even if it was there's no chance A Dream Of Spring will be out by the time they would reach that part of the story (two years max I would say) as that's unlikely to hit book shelves this decade.

    George RR Martin has told the writers how all of it ends, in case he dies before he finishes them. So they'll have an idea, as well as the creator to consult with, with how it all ends. The Battle in the North between Stannis and the Boltons will happen very early on in The Winds of Winter, but it hasn't happened yet at the end of A Dance With Dragons. Indeed, we knew from a chapter GRRM himself published on his own web page over a year ago that Theon gets taken to Stannis' army as a captive by a Lord of House Umber's men, and there gets interrogated by Stannis himself. Nothing in the pre-released chapter is inconsistent with Stannis eventually getting his arse kicked by the Boltons, or even with the contents of the so-called "Pink Letter" (which is a letter from Ramsay Bolton sent to Jon Snow which claims that Stannis was defeated and killed in a battle with the Boltons and their allies that lasted seven days). Rather, the fact that Stannis is dead in the HBO series is merely the first of many spoilers that D&D are aiming at GRRM and the books; in essence, they're probably already covering parts of TWoW, even though it hasn't been finished yet. But it's incredibly unlikely Stannis will lose, seeing what his position is, and what is happening in Winterfell at this point.
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    Yeah but people don't watch the show for character development - they watch it for burning daughters and heads being caved in.

    That is so, but it's blatantly obviously the two writers of the show hate Stannis. One of them has a tattoo of the Targaryen sigil on his arm, so they portray Dany as a messiah and paint Stannis as a vile, dark, acquiescent daughter burning zealot. The complete opposite to what he is in the books.

     

    They needed something for the annual episode 9 "shock" so they decided to have Stannis burn his daughter alive, a plot point so pointless and a blatant attempt from the show writers to get the audience to worship Daenerys as the only choice for the throne.

     

    Stannis' storyline at the point the show is at in the books is epic, but they've completely binned for what I think are obvious reasons.

     

    Anyway, book fanboy conspiracy rant over.

     

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    They people who write the show (David Benioff and DB Weiss) have completely destroyed Stannis' character. In the books he doesn't listen to Melisandre, he doesn't burn his daughter alive (he doesn't even bring her with him), he has a much better plotline in the books which they have completely binned and so on. They've completely destroyed one of the best characters in the books; whom I want to sit on the Iron Throne at the end.

     

  4. Starting to rewatch Game of Thrones for the new season, forgot what happened.

     

    Might skip season 5 though, I thought it was naff. Massive shame they're diverting away from the books. And I'm still a bit pissed at the raping of Stannis' character.

  5. I've not found a decent copy anywhere. There's an unwatchable Cam version out there; the title crawl is in Spanish, the video is blurred and the audio is shocking. If I find something better I'll let you know.

    Cheers.

     

    And yeah I've found that awful Cam version as well, found it in SALTS. Turned it off as soon as I saw the awful picture quality and the Spanish title crawl.

  6. Just been looking by the time we play Stoke, both Sunderland & Norwich will have played 2 games each we could well be cut adrift by then. Then to see that twat with a grin like a Cheshire cat after we've been frashed 5-1 makes you sick. The thing is he'll never be sacked as yet again he's another one of Ashley's puppets

    Will we not just have one game in hand? The Man City game? Which we'll get nothing from anyway?
  7. Anyone know the best place where I can watch the new Star Wars? I've looked on Genesis and everytime I click on it the message "no stream available" appears.

  8. Regarding making pancakes it ended up going for me again:

     

    Pancake 1: Disaster/change pan

    Pancake 2: Floor

    Pancake 3: Odd shape

    Pancake 4: Almost perfect

    Pancake 5: Sick of pancakes

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