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George Osborne has been nicked for travelling with a standard class ticket in a first class carriage this afternoon....just how much is he worth again?....

Naah..the Dutch were just fuckin cowards during the war and (in general) wouldnt stand up to the fritz. Ruud Krol's grandfather Kuqui was one of the very few Dutch resistance heroes. Compared with the Dutch, the French were brave as Lions. Ajax's rise to prominence in the 60s/early 70s was on the back of money earned during the war by Dutch building contractors working for the Hun. The Dutch had a very poor war tbh.

85% of the 80k jews in Amsterdam were arrested by Dutch policemen and transported to concentration camps on Dutch trains driven by Dutch drivers with Dutch guards. In Denmark the locals decided to stick up for the Jews and only 5% were murdered. Now who thinks the Dutch are terrible,horrible collaborating cunts?...anyone?..

Theres a theory that they knew the Lockerbie bombing was coming too....it didnt precpitate a hostile invasion of the middle east, unless Bush senior put Saddam up to invading Kuwait...

I dont think its right, and its not a deterrent (look at the US) and a fit up by the police was certainly common place and happens from time to time now...that bloke they had up for murdering Jill Dando springs to mind, I think they just picked on the local nutter. Throw away the key more often as some have said with harsher conditions.

tbf, it was me that brought it up.

Thats fair enough. The IRA wanted the British state out of Northern Ireland and a united Ireland and the UDA etc wanted Ulster to remain British. The Serbs wanted an ethnically pure Serbia. But for me it amounted to the same thing. A fight for the power to rule.

I can drone on about shit like that for days mate...I try to reign myself in on here, but the mask slips sometimes...

nawty...

I think you might find it has its roots in the Ottoman Empire.....the orthodox and catholic christians of the Balkans didnt care much for the Moslem Turks.

Not for me. The mindset is the same, the difference is by that stage the conflict had been going for over 30 years and the British crown had enough wherewithall from the word go in the late 60s to largely prevent things getting to the stage where "protected" enclaves had to be set up. Do not doubt that one side wouldve cheerfully wiped the other off the planet in N.I. But as has been pointed out, it was a minority on both sides.

Its not racism, its two different communities fiighting a war for power. Bit like Northern Ireland. Shefki Kuqui's account of what happend to his family is earily similair to what happend in Belfast in the late 60s i.e. families living peacefully in a street as neighbours suddenly turn round and start hating those who were their friends the day before. It was the 20th anniversary of this the other day: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/oct/15/uk-arms-northern-ireland-loyalist-massacre Whats the difference in the mindset between this and Srebenica? the numbers are irrelevent. That happened in the 1990s too...in the UK.

Yeah you're right, Serbia always supported the Russians,I got that the wrong way round.

Thats fuckin ridiculous...a backheeled nutmeg takes two defenders out, he twists another inside-out before feinting the shot to make the keeper look like a pub league player...just to say Brazil are 13th in the fifa rankings

Fuck me Wykiki thats too depressing for words. Froome did come from nowhere, didnt know about the Tenerife stuff till you posted about it the other day. As you say its all hugely suspicious. If theyre doping it might be something undedectable atm, but it may come out in the future when the testing technology catches up. Hope you're wrong, but it really doesnt look good.

Did the Slovenians collaborate with Hitler too? As for the Croats, they were Stalin's bitches. Nothing new under the sun.....the only thing I found when we played in Belgrade was all the taxi drivers had a pistol tucked into their belts...dont think they had many fares doing a runner as its a Wikl-fest on here today, here's my contribution...after the riot between Dinamo and Red Star in 1990 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinamo_Zagreb%E2%80%93Red_Star_Belgrade_riot these lads http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Blue_Boys basically became part of the Croatian Army, and the Red Star mob were associated with Arkan http://observer.guardian.co.uk/osm/story/0,,1123137,00.html In other words, they make the Chelsea Headhunters look like boy scouts...

Deschamps was in for the managers job here when FSA got sacked, maybe he's bitter because he was passed over for Keegan?.....

No,its just that Frankie Boyles fans aren't easily offended. His detractors tell the world that they are personally offended by his material wherever they heard it As you say, theres an off button. But thats not going to make nasty, vindictive people like journalists and those who are suckered by them shut up. And neither is it going to shut the likes of Boyle or as Fish mentioned Jerry Sadowitz up either. I see the points and largely agree but I just cant help thinking that you reap what you sow in life. Upset the wrong people and you pay whether you are morally or legally in the right. So Frankie can have his day in court on the back of (some) jokes about the disabled, because he's now worth a gazillion pounds more than when he was offensive as a student or a social worker when all it wouldve earned him was maybe a smack in the jaw in some bar somewhere...the stakes are higher now, as has been pointed out its his career on the line if it goes against him. Nobody forced him to do it mind...

You're literal interpretation of this is spot on, but life isnt like that. If the "moral majority" are out to get him, lead by the media, then its likely he's Donald Ducked. I don't think he deserves it as such, but I would add what does he fuckin expect? People are nasty, and so is he for money, regardless of what he's like off stage or whatever. If it goes against him he'll only have himself to blame.

But the bottom line is he has caused offence. Thats why he's in court basically defending his right to be as offensive as he likes as long as he's not racist. Its a tricky one, I do understand that. I'm all for freedom of speech but a lot of others would defend their own right to feel offended too. If theyre out to get him by fair means or foul, he maybe shouldve thought twice.

Again, the facts will be important in a court of law but there are those who would be up in arms about abusing the disabled who also may possibly use casual racism every day. We've all met that sort of self righteuos character who also happen to buy a lot of papers. If he didnt want his career to be affected maybe he shouldnt have gone down the road of upsetting the moral "majority". You're factually spot on its undeniable, but I think he should take it on the chin if he's made a fortune out of causing offence to others. Outside of the court the facts are irrelevent, he upsets a lot of people and if they feel the need to fuck him over for doing so then it goes with the territory. Lifes not fair, as am sure Jordan could tell him.

I thought they were doing away with juries in libel trials?...could be wrong, am not sure whether this government went through with it or it might have been the last one?... didnt know he's had a dig at the "racism" thing, have you got a link for it?....

Agreed, but it wasnt on the front page as far as I can make out so the Mirror's lawyer just says that it would be difficult to sell a paper on the back of a story printed on page 12 or whatever it was. I understand completley why its in court, its just that at the end of the day it comes down to what you find more offensive, taking the piss out of the disabled or being accused of racism. He can only defend himself in court because he's made a fortune out of that sort of humour, and then when somone takes a cheap shot at him he acts all hurt. Goes with the territory iyam, maybe he should try and expose some of the more ridiculous overreactions to the whole race thing in this country with his humour if he wanted to succinctly make his point.

Yes, thats true. But I dont spend my life (some would say) childlshly abusing people and as a get out saying "only joking!" People take offence at jokes about disabled kids, theres nothing you or Frankie Boyle being clever and enlightened in the art of comedy can do to change that. In view of that, he's got to accept a bucketload his way, whether its accuarate or not is neither here nor there in the area where he dwells. The other way of looking at it is my boss would be disciplined if he cracked the joke about Jordans son at work, yet Frankie Boyle ends up a millionaire on the back of it. He cant have it both ways, some people are going to try to strike back at him, then he uses the money he's made from his brand of humour to take it to court? honestly, talk about double standards. Both the Mirror and my boss would need a tiny bit of evidence as well to back their claims up, so I presume there is some there somewhere, its not clear how they came up with the headline as far as I can make out. It will come down to a judges opinion in the end, and he's unlikely to be any better informed than you or I.

What about Hitler Wolfy?...did the Soviets invent him to make communism look good?