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Poor in the air though which is probably a bigger factor in the Premier League than in International Football. 18056[/snapback] Re: Alex Poor in the stadium but an effective whinger on the forums.

Poor in the air though which is probably a bigger factor in the Premier League than in International Football. 18056[/snapback] Boumsong is an excellent defender. GET BEHIND THE TEAM

Sorry, I should have read that more carefully. You win. Hoorah for your valuable contribution to NUFC.

I think you and I basically agree. Ok, I've put my point in a provocative way, but I felt pissed off at the moaning. The only part where we disagree is about the risks. You say the fans have taken the risk by buying the ticket. I disagree. As galling as it seems, that is the start point. The players turn up and get paid, the fans turn up and don't get paid. They also get to have beer and ciggies mind. The start point is fans and players in the stadium, opposing side and fans and nil nil. Your point about not wanting to take a risk is absolutely on the money. The fans don't want to risk their hopes by giving it loads on the old chants. The players don't want to risk looking like proper charlies. So the players pass it back and forth. The fans shuffle a bit. Something nearly happens. A half hearted chant breaks out and then dies... I know like I know my own cock, that a massive investment of belief by the fans, in the team would turn this club around more than any player or manager could.

So? The negative fans are solely to blame for the current problems at the club? I'm just trying to get where you're coming from here. 17996[/snapback] There is an air of negativity and an inability to believe that we can do ok. Why do you think we surrendered a 12 point lead and lost the title. We are simply not confident in our ability to stand up and say: "This is us. Let's have it". It's always the defence or the slope or the weather or the manager or the ref or the chairman or the wages or the cliques or Shearer or blah blah blah. STAND UP AND SING YOUR HEARTS OUT FOR 90 MINUTES ON SATURDAY AND SEE IF IT HAS ANY EFFECT AT ALL. 18002[/snapback] Yes or no please. 18010[/snapback] YES AND NO. Yes they are responsible for some of the problems at NUFC. No not all of them. Right, I've got work to do. Ruffled feathers or not, I've enjoyed the banter. You could all be right, but I hope not. Cheers.

It's chicken and egg though. If the players feel like the crowd is hostile the players will wilt like an erection in an old peoples home. Even when the team are winning, I don't think the crowd are confident and loud enough. We can go round all day. I think a lot of the problem is the crowd's expectation for something to go wrong. You think it stems from the players. I can't really see us getting any further with it all. 17979[/snapback] Do you imagine fans at places like the Bernebau or the Nou Camp dont create a hostile atmosphere when things arent going well? Too fucking right they do - they let their players know when their performances are unaccpetable. Presumably we should be blaming the Madrid fans for their 30-odd European Cup trophies?! If the players feel pressurised amidst 50 odd thousand fans when up against West ham then I'd love to see them perform in front of 100,000 fans in a Barca team that'd lost a few games on the bounce! Total bollocks of course. If they can't look within themselves to find what is needed to succeed then they're not the type of players that should be here in the first place. 18001[/snapback] Real Madrid are an good example. How much have they spent lately? How much have they won lately? Team spirit extends from the crowd to the team. GET BEHIND THE LADS AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS!!! SING YOUR HEARTS OUT FOR 90 MINUTES AND SEE IF IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. Believe it or not, being paid a shitload of money has nothing to do with it. It just alienates us and them. They're still human though and need to feel that the crowd are behind them.

So? The negative fans are solely to blame for the current problems at the club? I'm just trying to get where you're coming from here. 17996[/snapback] There is an air of negativity and an inability to believe that we can do ok. Why do you think we surrendered a 12 point lead and lost the title. We are simply not confident in our ability to stand up and say: "This is us. Let's have it". It's always the defence or the slope or the weather or the manager or the ref or the chairman or the wages or the cliques or Shearer or blah blah blah. STAND UP AND SING YOUR HEARTS OUT FOR 90 MINUTES ON SATURDAY AND SEE IF IT HAS ANY EFFECT AT ALL.

And we disagree. Just another fans opinion. 17987[/snapback] Surely you're to blame though, being a fan. 17988[/snapback] I never said the problem was the fans. I said the problem was the negative hysterical fans.

JUST FOR THE RECORD: I didn't say the fans. I said the negative hysterical ones. And yes, we still disagree.

And we disagree. Just another fan's opinion.

If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. I just think negativity has made the situation worse. 17971[/snapback] It's a symptom not a cause FFS! 17972[/snapback] We disagree........ no big deal.

It's chicken and egg though. If the players feel like the crowd is hostile the players will wilt like an erection in an old peoples home. Even when the team are winning, I don't think the crowd are confident and loud enough. We can go round all day. I think a lot of the problem is the crowd's expectation for something to go wrong. You think it stems from the players. I can't really see us getting any further with it all.

I sincerely hope he does. He still might. What benefit is it to expect the worst? Would you rather I was right, or you were right?

If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. I just think negativity has made the situation worse.

Like who? 6 days till the window closes. Tick tock tick tock... 17965[/snapback] Owen and Luque.

Why are you being so negative? Is it any wonder that he has difficulty scoring when you're so harsh on him? What if he reads that message? I bet you want him to never score, just so he doesn't get played! What's the point in whinging and moaning? Where's your PMA - Positive Mental Attitude? if you got Ameobi 9 on the back of your shirt and hung around his house asking for autographs, telling him how great he is and how you can't wait to see him in the world cup, he'll be a 30 goal a season striker! 17928[/snapback] I don't rate Ameobi. I'm not screaming about it though. I just hope we get Owen and Luque/Anelka. I still don't think being a professional whinger is of any benefit to the club.

The CLUB HAS NO STRIKERS. We can speculate all we like about the whys and the wherefores. All I'm saying is that in 10 games time, with a fair wind, and a couple of strikers, we could be back on track. I don't see what moaning about it all here at this time of the season contributes to sorting out the problem. You want him out now. I don't. Heyho matey

I'm not sure he has a choice.... What would Real Madrid get out of a loan deal? I can't see that being attractive to them at all. 17780[/snapback] Someone else paying the wages of a player that they don't want? 17784[/snapback] On that same logic though isnt Souness right to say this? If Liverpool dont come in for Owen then what would Owen get out of not moving to us permanently? being stuck in the reserves of a club that dont want him, with the World Cup a season away? By saying this hes forcing Liverpools hand, he knows that if 2 loan deals are on the table then he'll go Scouse, this way Madrid wouldnt let him go on loan when the other options 17 million spondooleees. 17946[/snapback] Exactly

I agree with you on that those people are talking shit. You've outdone them today though. 17919[/snapback] What, saying we should be relegated is better than criticising the doom mongers? BTW, I'm not a mackem or a smoggie or a member of the board. I just get ticked off when I see a divide that achieves nothing. If Souness doesn't get us into Europe this season, he should be sacked. But sacking him now would just mean another year of passing the buck. My opinions are absolutely sane: Hysterical negative fans don't help the club and Sacking Souness would be a bad move at this time of the season. If he does get sacked and we manage to unearth a gem of a manager who gets us into the CL, I will be happy to admit I'm wrong and will be more pleased that we're doing well. I love Newcastle and just disagree with you. No harm done! 17930[/snapback] The "hysterical" board members you mention would have sacked him last October, after him assaulting one of his staff on the training ground. I knew at that point that my initial support, for the first week or two "for the good of the club" was wasted and in fact the course of time would prove nothing had changed with Souness, he was going to go on and be the complete prick and disaster area he had always been. Where do you think we would be now if we had done that ? IMO we would be a lot better off than we are, unless of course you are the one prepared to wait until we are relegated, because I am 100% certain we are going to have a big fight to stay up this season now. 17942[/snapback] Where do I mention "hysterical" board members? You gave the guy "a week or two" The "disaster area" that has won: With Liverpool FA Cup 1992 With Blackburn Worthington Cup 2002 With Galatasaray Turkish Cup 1996 With Rangers Scottish league title 1987, 1989, 1990 Scottish league cup 1987, 1988, 1990, 1991 No I don't want us to get relegated. West Ham West Brom Wigan Sunderland Portsmouth and Fulham Have reason to be worried though.

I did I said GIVE THE TEAM A CHANCE.

We have played 3 bloody games without a strikeforce. How about giving the team a chance.

I agree with you on that those people are talking shit. You've outdone them today though. 17919[/snapback] What, saying we should be relegated is better than criticising the doom mongers? BTW, I'm not a mackem or a smoggie or a member of the board. I just get ticked off when I see a divide that achieves nothing. If Souness doesn't get us into Europe this season, he should be sacked. But sacking him now would just mean another year of passing the buck. My opinions are absolutely sane: Hysterical negative fans don't help the club and Sacking Souness would be a bad move at this time of the season. If he does get sacked and we manage to unearth a gem of a manager who gets us into the CL, I will be happy to admit I'm wrong and will be more pleased that we're doing well. I love Newcastle and just disagree with you. No harm done!

Haven't listened to the three legends in a while like, but last time SuperMac was telling it like it is with regards Souness and his transfer policy. And he says we play shit when we, erm, play shit. Personally I much prefer him to the Liverpool mafia. Micky Quinn was spot on on 5live this morning too, it has to be said. 17880[/snapback] SuperMac thinks Ameobi's a good player.....

BTW, if Bellamy was so shit hot, why did no big clubs want him, and why did he go for so little?

Ketsbaia's Mobile? http://www.toontastic.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=953 17730[/snapback] Yep! You lot are unbelieveable. It's a good job you don't run the club. You watch a footballer when they're interviewed after a bad loss. They say "it's gone, we've got to look to the future" They don't dwell on it. You lot are crowing on about how you were all proved right, it's as if you're GLAD we're doing badly. We have started the season badly for the last few years. If this site had been running, I bet you could go back and see exactly the same comments last year, except for the word Robson instead of Souness. Some idiots have been suggesting it would be better to be RELEGATED!? WTF?? We need strikers and a good result and this will all be forgotten. STOP THE FRIGGIN WHINING LADS! PLEASE! 17756[/snapback] To suggest that we want the club to lose and be like this is a fecking stupid thing to say you daft shite. 17894[/snapback] There are a lot of people here who think losing would be good as it would get Souness sacked. Some even think relegation is a good idea. And you think I'm barking!?! Sheesh.