Asprilla

I asked you nicely, maybe you missed it. Last chance. I put the "" because I acknowledge that voluntarily could mean actually voluntarily or just the appearance of voluntarily as in a girl could be acting like she was doing things voluntarily out of fear. I'm doing the opposite of what you're trying to smear me with.

A bit arrogant to decide that. There's obviously a law to protect under age people from predators but on some day that changes, say their 18th birthday. So the action goes from illegal to legal in one day. The creep factor as I have said time and time again is separate. And yes, if I were Prince Andrew and watching the world not only giving a pass to but deifying people who had done the same thing (arguably worse), then too right I'd mention it! Ignorance of the law/situation is no legal defence, I know. I'm saying that morally, knowing and not knowing are different... one is much creepier than the other surely

FFS I'm not defending him I'm asking questions. See above...

I never said any of it was ok and I'm going to ask you all nicely to stop insinuating that I think it is. My two points are: 1: Is it possible that Prince Andrew's behaviour was (at least to him) legal? If he thought the girl was 18 and she slept with him "voluntarily" (and with him presuming she hadn't been trafficked obviously) is that a crime? As in IS THAT AN ACTUAL CRIME or is it "just" creepy? 2: If she was 17 (which I'm assuming she was) and that all these years later he's getting his comeuppance, then seeing as there are several other well known cases that are possibly even more creepy, why are those people seemingly given a pass?

https://metro.co.uk/2019/02/09/david-bowie-sex-two-teenagers-age-consent-8486252/amp/

I don’t know who either of these people are but I’m sure it’s a great gag 😎👍🏼

I’m not defending him, I was speculating

Still, different acts who wouldn’t lie about it? Whether you were in on it or just got caught up in it?

Is this hard for you? option a: Prince Andrew slept with a girl who he didn’t know had been trafficked option b: Prince Andrew slept with a girl who he did know had been trafficked

Which made up ones?

Prince Andrew is clearly not a smart man i think he made up a load of lies to try cover up *something* and watching Emily Maitliss pick him apart was brutal does that mean he intentionally raped someone he knew he was underage? that’s all I’m asking ffs

So this all happened before Epstein’s conviction… isn’t it possible he just thought it was a rich guy who had girls hanging around? im pretty sure that happens a lot in those circles although going and staying at Epstein’s house for several days to “break off the friendship” once he’d been convicted is a bit suss I grant you But I don’t find it impossible to believe that Prince Andrew is dumb enough to do that Look, maybe he’s a paedo rapist, maybe he’s just super dumb and thinks he’s god’s gift to women do you guys never just talk about stuff out of curiosity? like say the Michael Jackson stuff or OJ?

Yeah he was fucking hilarious on that

What you can’t imagine that? I’m just saying “is it possible” /12 angry men quite apt

For the slower kids at the back, of course trafficking people is wrong and abusing power is wrong and being with girls that are loads younger than you is creepy and imo rapists with dna evidence should be castrated I’m just interested in where the lines blur and how some people get away with shit behaviour and others don’t. i’ve only seen that one picture of the girl with Prince Andrew. by the looks of him this was a fair while ago. The girl could have been 18-20. she didn’t appear to be scared in the pic not saying she wasn’t, I’m saying that it’s possible that he perceived that sex was consensual I’m assuming by the way that this happened before Epstein got busted… if not then obvs this is all moot

I’m saying I think it’s possible to be that far from reality that you genuinely think that there are girls who will sleep with you wherever you go. Do you think Epstein told Prince Andrew that he was trafficking girls to rape on his island? Or, do you think he said come to my island it’ll be great.

Don’t be a fucking cretin

I don’t move in those circles obviously But lets say you’re a young pop star or footballer and you end up at a party and there are girls everywhere They aren’t the girls you meet in the pub, they are “available” and seem determined to make sleeping with them the easiest thing in the world if you are in that environment for long enough I’m saying it’s *conceivable* that you just assume that there are always girls who want to sleep with you Why would he think about where the girl came from any more than we think about what the factory was like where an H&M T-shirt comes from?

Would Prince Andrew have necessarily known she was trafficked though? Not that it changes the charges ultimately but I can easily imagine that he believed she consented, what with him being a Prince and all. Also in case any of you really need it spelling out, I’m not defending or endorsing anything. Just asking a few questions cause I don’t know absolutely fucking everything about this case.

I wasn’t saying you’re the Guardian guy btw. I’m sick to death of the echo chambers and cliques i said I read some of the transcript of the pizza thing and it was really weird, have you read it? nor am I defending anyone, I just think it’s weird that there are really famous rock stars who are beloved by most of the world and yet Prince Andrew is pretty much hated. For doing the same thing. if that doesn’t seem weird to you (not weird like a conspiracy just weird as a moral anomaly) then that’s up to you i don’t think that little observation makes me weird but you guys fill your boots if it makes you happy

You do know that there are people in between whiny Guardian reading EUphiles and red bull guzzling incels, right?!

I will regard shortly

I’m just going to ignore your passive aggressive whining, ok? I’m just interested and can’t be arsed to read up about it… also “what is the youngest a girl can be that a middle aged man can sleep with legally” probably isn’t the greatest thing to google💡

Could you marry a 16 year old in England, and then go on holiday to America and get arrested?

Jesus calm down What is the crime then? that the age of consent is older than 17 wherever he shagged her?