triggy99

he would have got us relegated if he stayed in charge for the rest of the season

newcastle fan from burnley?

I agree, although I'd say Souness did more damage to the club, but Allardyce's inability to train, coach or select the right 11 players, put them in the right positions, play the right tactics, make the correct substitutions, and then talk absolute bollocks, eclipses Souness's genuine incompetence in my opinion. well the only reason i think allardyce was worse is because did we not go on a ten game unbeaten streak under souness? atleast he did have the odd good spell but allardyce was just constant rubbish

tbh i thought allardyce was worse than souness

if i had the choice of ronaldinho and money or robinho and money id take the ronaldinho deal any day Ronaldinho is past it and has been for a while..............his ship has sailed. past it at 28? good joke, new challenge would make him amazing again imo, especially with ferguson as manager and the way man utd play

if i had the choice of ronaldinho and money or robinho and money id take the ronaldinho deal any day

if he played for us and the same thing happened i doubt u would want him to be sold

my point is put his in a team like chelseas and he wouldnt stand out as much as he does for liverpool. A good example of this is ballack.

Nope meant more like the 2005 CL final. against a team of 50 year olds that had tired by half time They were good enough to be in the final that year. the best team doesnt always win and you have picked 1 big game out for gerrard. what about in games against chelsea, man utd and arsenal in the league? and imo gerrard stands out alot more than he should because of liverpools team being so bad. As 2J shows that Milan team is a very good team, he does play well in big games if Liverpool are so bad and he's the one that stands out then that surely means he's doing most the work when they play Chelsea etc so when they beat them or draw surely he is playing well. are these the liverpool chelsea games that are normally won by the defence? nearly always 0-0, 1-0 or 1-1

Nope meant more like the 2005 CL final. against a team of 50 year olds that had tired by half time They were good enough to be in the final that year. the best team doesnt always win and you have picked 1 big game out for gerrard. what about in games against chelsea, man utd and arsenal in the league? and imo gerrard stands out alot more than he should because of liverpools team being so bad.

Nope meant more like the 2005 CL final. against a team of 50 year olds that had tired by half time

you can say that about any player though. etoo and messi wernt exactly up to their normal standard against man utd and thats because they are playing against a better defence than what they normally do and messi is arguably the best player in the world Messi always looked dangerous and never went missing. He always wanted the ball too. Contrast that with Ronaldo in the same matches. i wouldnt have really said he looked that dangerous. i can only really remember him having one decent chance and that went wide. But my point is even if you think messi had a decent game he wasnt up to his usual standards which is because hes playing against a better defence than normal and therefore cant play aswel, which is why i dont think ronaldo should be singled out for saying he isnt world class because he goes missing in big games. I really haven't seen Messi play in enough big games to comment in all honesty. well to explain my point i can use henry as my example. Henry in the Premiership was amazing against every team. But when it came to playing teams like man utd or chelsea he wasnt up to he usual standards he was just decent as he is playing against a better defence. However imo there is no doubt that henry is world class and therefore the same should go for ronaldo. It's a fair criticism of both players imo - i.e. the questionable big game temperament. And both are (or at least were in Henry's case) world class. Some really good players thrive under the big game pressure, some don't. No one is saying he isn't world class though. well the point was that ronaldo goes missing in big games. Can you name me a attacking player that doesnt go missing in big games that currently plays in the premierleague? Gerrard performs well normally. as shown throughout his england career?

drogba didnt play well in the champions league final and got marked out of the game in the carling cup final and only scored because of paul robinson being so shit

you can say that about any player though. etoo and messi wernt exactly up to their normal standard against man utd and thats because they are playing against a better defence than what they normally do and messi is arguably the best player in the world Messi always looked dangerous and never went missing. He always wanted the ball too. Contrast that with Ronaldo in the same matches. i wouldnt have really said he looked that dangerous. i can only really remember him having one decent chance and that went wide. But my point is even if you think messi had a decent game he wasnt up to his usual standards which is because hes playing against a better defence than normal and therefore cant play aswel, which is why i dont think ronaldo should be singled out for saying he isnt world class because he goes missing in big games. I really haven't seen Messi play in enough big games to comment in all honesty. well to explain my point i can use henry as my example. Henry in the Premiership was amazing against every team. But when it came to playing teams like man utd or chelsea he wasnt up to he usual standards he was just decent as he is playing against a better defence. However imo there is no doubt that henry is world class and therefore the same should go for ronaldo. It's a fair criticism of both players imo - i.e. the questionable big game temperament. And both are (or at least were in Henry's case) world class. Some really good players thrive under the big game pressure, some don't. No one is saying he isn't world class though. well the point was that ronaldo goes missing in big games. Can you name me a attacking player that doesnt go missing in big games that currently plays in the premierleague?

you can say that about any player though. etoo and messi wernt exactly up to their normal standard against man utd and thats because they are playing against a better defence than what they normally do and messi is arguably the best player in the world Messi always looked dangerous and never went missing. He always wanted the ball too. Contrast that with Ronaldo in the same matches. i wouldnt have really said he looked that dangerous. i can only really remember him having one decent chance and that went wide. But my point is even if you think messi had a decent game he wasnt up to his usual standards which is because hes playing against a better defence than normal and therefore cant play aswel, which is why i dont think ronaldo should be singled out for saying he isnt world class because he goes missing in big games. I really haven't seen Messi play in enough big games to comment in all honesty. well to explain my point i can use henry as my example. Henry in the Premiership was amazing against every team. But when it came to playing teams like man utd or chelsea he wasnt up to he usual standards he was just decent as he is playing against a better defence. However imo there is no doubt that henry is world class and therefore the same should go for ronaldo.

I don't understand how the outcome of the game is particularly relevent given we're discussing an individual's performance. Whether or not the penalty affected the outcome has nothing to do with whether or not he bottled the kick, given he wouldn't have known at the time that it didn't matter. I don't think missing a penalty makes him a bottler per se, but subsequent events have nothing to do with whether his temperament should be brought into question. so you rate a players performance on whether or not they score a pen in a penalty shootout even though he scored the only goal for his team in the match No. Fuck me, this is hard work. You appeared to be saying, correct me if I'm wrong, that Ronaldo's miss didn't matter. I was wondering what that had to do with whether or not he bottled the penalty. What does it have to do with that? well no i wouldnt say he bottled it. he missed the pen but it doesnt necessarily mean he bottled it

you can say that about any player though. etoo and messi wernt exactly up to their normal standard against man utd and thats because they are playing against a better defence than what they normally do and messi is arguably the best player in the world Messi always looked dangerous and never went missing. He always wanted the ball too. Contrast that with Ronaldo in the same matches. i wouldnt have really said he looked that dangerous. i can only really remember him having one decent chance and that went wide. But my point is even if you think messi had a decent game he wasnt up to his usual standards which is because hes playing against a better defence than normal and therefore cant play aswel, which is why i dont think ronaldo should be singled out for saying he isnt world class because he goes missing in big games.

I don't understand how the outcome of the game is particularly relevent given we're discussing an individual's performance. Whether or not the penalty affected the outcome has nothing to do with whether or not he bottled the kick, given he wouldn't have known at the time that it didn't matter. I don't think missing a penalty makes him a bottler per se, but subsequent events have nothing to do with whether his temperament should be brought into question. so you rate a players performance on whether or not they score a pen in a penalty shootout even though he scored the only goal for his team in the match

John Terry lost Chelsea the CL. So obviously you can. well yeah i agree with you their but i mean ronaldo is an amazing player and you shouldnt have a go at him for missing a pen. terry is a talentless arsehole and deserves everything said about him

you can say that about any player though. etoo and messi wernt exactly up to their normal standard against man utd and thats because they are playing against a better defence than what they normally do and messi is arguably the best player in the world

the pens dont matter though, they didnt make a difference because man utd still won the champions league. you cant have a go at a player for missing a pen

My point was that he flapped in those two instances. he didnt flap like. His barca pen was unlucky and it was his stupid run up that messed up the one in the final. but more or less every main pen taker misses a pen so your arguements pointless

I completely agree. i completely disagree Do you know what about though? ronaldo doesnt go missing in big games, he just isnt as good as he is against the teams outside the top 4, but you can say that about more or less every player in the world. Also scoring in the champions league final and being man utds biggest threat at the nou camp isnt exactly bad considering man utds team is full of world class players What about his bottling of those two penalties? what about the pens in the arsenal game where he scored the 1st one then had to take it again and scored again? also plenty of world class players have missed pens In their two biggest games of the season pretty much, in a row. I'd class that as bottling. were you not sayin trezeguet is not overated? when hes reguarded as one of the top strikers in europe. But going off what your saying about ronaldo should go the same for trezeguet as he missed a pen in the world cup final I've not mentioned Trezeguet being a bottler though. I never said Cristiano isn't one of the top players in the World just on those occassions he flapped. So whats your point? He missed 2 pens in a tournament that man utd went and won anyway and did he not finish as top scorer?

I completely agree. i completely disagree Do you know what about though? ronaldo doesnt go missing in big games, he just isnt as good as he is against the teams outside the top 4, but you can say that about more or less every player in the world. Also scoring in the champions league final and being man utds biggest threat at the nou camp isnt exactly bad considering man utds team is full of world class players What about his bottling of those two penalties? what about the pens in the arsenal game where he scored the 1st one then had to take it again and scored again? also plenty of world class players have missed pens In their two biggest games of the season pretty much, in a row. I'd class that as bottling. were you not sayin trezeguet is not overated? when hes reguarded as one of the top strikers in europe. But going off what your saying about ronaldo should go the same for trezeguet as he missed a pen in the world cup final

I completely agree. i completely disagree Do you know what about though? ronaldo doesnt go missing in big games, he just isnt as good as he is against the teams outside the top 4, but you can say that about more or less every player in the world. Also scoring in the champions league final and being man utds biggest threat at the nou camp isnt exactly bad considering man utds team is full of world class players What about his bottling of those two penalties? what about the pens in the arsenal game where he scored the 1st one then had to take it again and scored again? also plenty of world class players have missed pens