Slightly Bemused

Fucking hell, two self proclaimed adult blokes picking on a lass. You’re both fucking retarded knobs who should feel ashamed to post such shit on a forum which can be viewed by the general public, childish wankers. I just hope for your sakes that nobody who knows the pair of you ever read the shit that you’ve posted on here because you look like tits of the highest order. You should feel ashamed at your attempts to bully a lass. I doubt that’s the case. It doesn’t matter if you have apologised, that doesn’t take away what has been said. And one of you asking for an acknowledgement of an apology is comedy genius, oh the fucking irony. He’ll be moaning like a bitch now because he didn’t get the acknowledgement he so rightly deserved, fuck off man and grow some balls you obsessed geriatric.

Fucking hell.

Champions League? Fucking hell, were as far away from that as we are from the moon but we're no further from it than we were before Ashley came, we might even be closer to it. I'm sure of one thing, if we do get a manager who gives us our best Champions League finish ever we'll not sack the bastard because he only finishes 5th top of the league. it will never happen under Ashley, or anybody else who tries to run a big club like us in the manner of a corner shop. So your observation is totally, utterly irrlevant. Do you think we were closer the the Champions League the day before Ashley bought the club than we are today? How and when would we have qualified if the previous owners had stayed and we'd kept Allardyce? You haven't been taken in by the shit Allardyce has been quoting to the press recently, have you?

I dont believe I am. The 2006/07 season would have ran from Aug 2006 to May 2007. Ashley bought Halls shares in May 2007 and Shepherds in the June so he came into the club at the end of the 2006/07 season ie directly after the end of the season being talked about by Deloittes. If the article means to report a profit in 2006/07 then thats badly worded to say the least but again I would imagine thats not the case seeing as how it wasnt written about until May 2008. I don't care what you believe or not, you're miles away and like I said a year out. The accounts which you are on about are not the last set of accounts of Shepherd and I know that because I've got them all in front of me since 2004. The last set of accounts under the Hall/Shepherd regime covered up to 30th June 2007 and was signed off by Chris Mort who had just become Chairman. The accounts which you should be looking at for the end of the previous regime were available from Companies House dated 26th January 2008. Those set of accounts were showing us making a loss, not a profit, all of the figures were going south and were always going to get worse ongoing. What about the profit Ashley made last season? Are these figures still current or did NUSC revise them? playing in the 2nd division ? Do you [stupidly I may add] deem that to be successful ? Hold on a minute are you seriously trying to have a go at me for a scenario you’ve just dreamt up in your fucking cluttered little head? Where did I or anybody else for that matter deem playing in the 2nd division to be successful?

What are you on about? Where have I tried to make out anything about the stadium debt other than to point out that it wasn't down to Ashley. Also, have you got any links to quotes that Ashley was whinning like fuck? The only time I have seen him mention the extra debt was when he said that he would have still bought the club if he had known about it. Not wanting to drag it up because it's in the past and we should be moving on....but to answer your question, quotes from mike.... "Before I had spent a penny on wages or buying players, Newcastle United had cost me more than a quarter of a billion pounds." "I then poured another £110 million into the club not to pay off the debt but just to reduce it. The club is still in debt. Even worse than that, the club still owes millions of pounds in transfer fees." "I am Mike Ashley, not Mike Ashley a multi-billionaire with unlimited resources. Newcastle United and I can't do what other clubs can. We can't afford it." The way you're trying to paint a picture I'm starting to think you're Decka himself. You're starting to think, that's a first.

What are you on about? Where have I tried to make out anything about the stadium debt other than to point out that it wasn't down to Ashley. Also, have you got any links to quotes that Ashley was whinning like fuck? The only time I have seen him mention the extra debt was when he said that he would have still bought the club if he had known about it. That would be the begging phone call he made to Deloittes the day after he bought the club, shouting at them to "ring the Chinese and see if theyre still interested". Horse shit, are you seriously trying to say that within 24 hours of buying the club he'd got his hands on that sort of information in London?

Try telling Happy face that it's not down to Ashley, he's the one who is struggling.

What are you on about? Where have I tried to make out anything about the stadium debt other than to point out that it wasn't down to Ashley. Also, have you got any links to quotes that Ashley was whinning like fuck? The only time I have seen him mention the extra debt was when he said that he would have still bought the club if he had known about it.

I'm sure you've heard the saying that you can take a Horse to water but you can't force it to drink. The facts speak for themselves, it just seems that facts are not a priority for you and you're just happy to trot out crap in an attempt to come over as if you know what you're talking about. The way you try to turn your lack of understanding of both basic English and Mathematics into my problem is class, did you keep a straight face while you were typing or did you go red? My guess is that you thought that you were right and are oblivious as to how stupid you've made yourself look. While I’m here, what is Ashley doing with the £7 million profit the club was making while we were in the Championship?

What he’s doing is a bit like knowing the answer and not the question so he’s making the question up in an attempt to justify something he hasn’t the first idea about.

I'm confusing you; do you want to shorten the length of the words that I'm typing? I've used an online dictionary definition as I thought that it would mean that you wouldn't pick holes in my personal understanding of what Debt means you numpty. I'm quite happy for you to come up with a more meaningful definition which isn't something dreamed up in your head. You're dangerous, you haven't a clue what you're talking about and you're trying to pass it off as fact, I can only guess that some people are taking your word for it as you seem to be getting away with it. Thanks for brightening up a dull subject, even if that wasn’t your intention.

I’m not trying to be a prick with this answer, I’m just trying to clarify something. I’ve not put any spin on the definition of debt, here it is from an online dictionary and the wording has nothing to do with me. An amount owed to a person or organization for funds borrowed. Debt can be represented by a loan note, bond, mortgage or other form stating repayment terms and, if applicable, interest requirements. These different forms all imply intent to pay back an amount owed by a specific date, which is set forth in the repayment terms. A mortgage has got to be classed as debt and the one I took out on my house was debt the day I signed for it and that will be the case until I have paid it off in full.

So you’re now saying that the debt in 2007 was £124 million and not £70 million as you had suggested earlier, this is laughable. If it was a loan then it was a debt, simple as that. Honestly, you can’t blame Ashley for debt which the club had before he arrived. Is this latest revision correct? We had £124 million debt at a time when we’d had Michael Owen basically free for a year and his huge wage was covered by the FA? I'm not trying to put words into your mouth, I'm just struggling to keep up.

You don't have to guess about wage to turnover, it was 75.2% in 2007, it went down to 70.4% in 2008 but it shot up again during our relegation season to 82.55% and this was due to a rise in staff costs and a reduction in income. The drop to 70.4% was due to an increase in income as the staff costs went up slightly. Do you not think the club have been trying to increase revenue? We do have Sports Direct all over the ground, my guess is that it's filling space and will go if anybody is prepared to pay for the space. Do you think Companies are trying to put money into the club and being turned away? I'll also ask you this question and it has nothing to do with the massive profits we were making in the Championship as you obviously have no intention of discussing it. What influence do you think Ashley had in increasing our debt from £70 million to £149 million in his first year at the club?

I think so. The £70m debt from 2007 became £124m immediatley due to clauses triggered from the sale. Are you seriously trying to put that across as fact? Where do you think this £54 million was hidden before the sale took place? Anything triggered by clauses due to the takeover was already in the accounts as debt. The only hidden debt was our sponsorship money from NR and Adidas showing up as future income when we'd already spent it. Other than that we had to pay an early settlement fee on top of the loan for the expansion, the mortgage as some people call it.