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If fat Fred decides to be an arse with the FA and withold Owen as he's threatened, presumably that would be a justifiable reason for Owen to buy out his contract under the precedent set today by Wigan/Rangers/Hearts over Andy Webster, whereby a player having done 3 years of his deal can rip his contract up and pay compensation under 'just cause'. This would mean he could leave for no transfer fee. Who would pay his wages would be another matter.

 

 

The Webster story:

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...ian/6526119.stm

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But he's only been here two seasons, still I see where you're coming from - things would hopefully be better under a new manager. If Owen did use that as an excuse though I'd hope he'd have the common sense to stay away from Newcastle after the club stuck by him after being injured while playing for another team. Still reckon Freddy's got a just case over the FA tbh.

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After the first game of next season Michael Owen will have averaged one manager in every 4 games for Newcastle.

 

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EDIT: assuming of course he plays.....for us.

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If fat Fred decides to be an arse with the FA and withold Owen as he's threatened, presumably that would be a justifiable reason for Owen to buy out his contract under the precedent set today by Wigan/Rangers/Hearts over Andy Webster, whereby a player having done 3 years of his deal can rip his contract up and pay compensation under 'just cause'. This would mean he could leave for no transfer fee. Who would pay his wages would be another matter.

 

 

The Webster story:

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...ian/6526119.stm

 

So not free then. We'd be entitled to a figure close to Owen's final year salary by way of compensation, so around £5m and I don't think we'd be getting much more on the transfer market with a year left on his deal.

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If fat Fred decides to be an arse with the FA and withold Owen as he's threatened, presumably that would be a justifiable reason for Owen to buy out his contract under the precedent set today by Wigan/Rangers/Hearts over Andy Webster, whereby a player having done 3 years of his deal can rip his contract up and pay compensation under 'just cause'. This would mean he could leave for no transfer fee. Who would pay his wages would be another matter.

 

 

The Webster story:

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...ian/6526119.stm

 

So not free then. We'd be entitled to a figure close to Owen's final year salary by way of compensation, so around £5m and I don't think we'd be getting much more on the transfer market with a year left on his deal.

 

 

The point being we couldn't stop him leaving. Little mickey pays us his salary, and gets a £5m signing bonus from his new club

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If he really wanted to go, we couldn't stop him anyway. Harsh reality is that the big players have big influence.

 

Eh? Of course you can, you don't sell him. You refuse all offers, you put a ridiculous price on his head. At least you are supposed to get some money if they do go while under contract, that is the point of this thread

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If he really wanted to go, we couldn't stop him anyway. Harsh reality is that the big players have big influence.

 

Eh? Of course you can, you don't sell him. You refuse all offers, you put a ridiculous price on his head. At least you are supposed to get some money if they do go while under contract, that is the point of this thread

 

And you expect him to play 100% for the club while not happy? That's no good for us or the player. Then after a year he walks on a free. That's without factoring in the ability for agents to get stories in the press.

 

If players want to go, they'll go and a price will be found eventually- even in some cases with players waiving signing on fees and the like.

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If he really wanted to go, we couldn't stop him anyway. Harsh reality is that the big players have big influence.

 

Eh? Of course you can, you don't sell him. You refuse all offers, you put a ridiculous price on his head. At least you are supposed to get some money if they do go while under contract, that is the point of this thread

 

And you expect him to play 100% for the club while not happy? That's no good for us or the player. Then after a year he walks on a free. That's without factoring in the ability for agents to get stories in the press.

 

If players want to go, they'll go and a price will be found eventually- even in some cases with players waiving signing on fees and the like.

 

You're not getting it are you? He can go for free whether we like it or not after only 3 years of his contract in this situation. That's totally different to agreeing a price for a wantaway player who has a year left on his contract.

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You're not getting it are you? He can go for free whether we like it or not after only 3 years of his contract in this situation. That's totally different to agreeing a price for a wantaway player who has a year left on his contract.

 

I think I am getting it. And why the sudden revelation? These rules have been in place for years now, and they were in place when we signed Owen. It's just there have only been a handful of cases when players have exploited the right. Why are you delivering it like it's a newsflash?

 

 

My point, which still stands, is that the effect of this ruling is will be little more than a slight variation in eventual compensation, be it from club or player. The mechanisms are different but the end result it much the same. So he leaves and we get £5m, if we sold him with a year to go we'd get maybe £8m at best, knowing he'd be a free agent in a year? Or more realistically the club and agent agree to an arrangement that keeps the fee higher and allows for a cut to be diverted to the player and agent.

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You're not getting it are you? He can go for free whether we like it or not after only 3 years of his contract in this situation. That's totally different to agreeing a price for a wantaway player who has a year left on his contract.

 

I think I am getting it. And why the sudden revelation? These rules have been in place for years now, and they were in place when we signed Owen. It's just there have only been a handful of cases when players have exploited the right. Why are you delivering it like it's a newsflash?

 

 

My point, which still stands, is that the effect of this ruling is will be little more than a slight variation in eventual compensation, be it from club or player. The mechanisms are different but the end result it much the same. So he leaves and we get £5m, if we sold him with a year to go we'd get maybe £8m at best, knowing he'd be a free agent in a year? Or more realistically the club and agent agree to an arrangement that keeps the fee higher and allows for a cut to be diverted to the player and agent.

 

 

It says that Webster case is the first time the rule has been invoked, until that time it is never clear what the status is regarding possible use of the rule. Also, whether we get 5 milliion is also subject to doubt based on just 1 case. Finally, it's noteworthy now because until recently there hasn't been one massive reason why Owen could do this, and I doubt most even knew about it.

 

There is a big difference between this scenario and us selling him unwillingly for a fee.

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You're not getting it are you? He can go for free whether we like it or not after only 3 years of his contract in this situation. That's totally different to agreeing a price for a wantaway player who has a year left on his contract.

 

I think I am getting it. And why the sudden revelation? These rules have been in place for years now, and they were in place when we signed Owen. It's just there have only been a handful of cases when players have exploited the right. Why are you delivering it like it's a newsflash?

 

 

My point, which still stands, is that the effect of this ruling is will be little more than a slight variation in eventual compensation, be it from club or player. The mechanisms are different but the end result it much the same. So he leaves and we get £5m, if we sold him with a year to go we'd get maybe £8m at best, knowing he'd be a free agent in a year? Or more realistically the club and agent agree to an arrangement that keeps the fee higher and allows for a cut to be diverted to the player and agent.

TBQFH it matters little if the rumours of a release clause is in his contract for 12m are correct!

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If fat Fred decides to be an arse with the FA and withold Owen as he's threatened, presumably that would be a justifiable reason for Owen to buy out his contract under the precedent set today by Wigan/Rangers/Hearts over Andy Webster, whereby a player having done 3 years of his deal can rip his contract up and pay compensation under 'just cause'. This would mean he could leave for no transfer fee. Who would pay his wages would be another matter.

 

 

The Webster story:

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...ian/6526119.stm

 

So not free then. We'd be entitled to a figure close to Owen's final year salary by way of compensation, so around £5m and I don't think we'd be getting much more on the transfer market with a year left on his deal.

 

 

The point being we couldn't stop him leaving. Little mickey pays us his salary, and gets a £5m signing bonus from his new club

The point being, not free.

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If fat Fred decides to be an arse with the FA and withold Owen as he's threatened, presumably that would be a justifiable reason for Owen to buy out his contract under the precedent set today by Wigan/Rangers/Hearts over Andy Webster, whereby a player having done 3 years of his deal can rip his contract up and pay compensation under 'just cause'. This would mean he could leave for no transfer fee. Who would pay his wages would be another matter.

 

 

The Webster story:

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...ian/6526119.stm

 

So not free then. We'd be entitled to a figure close to Owen's final year salary by way of compensation, so around £5m and I don't think we'd be getting much more on the transfer market with a year left on his deal.

 

 

The point being we couldn't stop him leaving. Little mickey pays us his salary, and gets a £5m signing bonus from his new club

The point being, not free.

 

Not guaranteed that the payment would be anywhere near £5m

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If fat Fred decides to be an arse with the FA and withold Owen as he's threatened, presumably that would be a justifiable reason for Owen to buy out his contract under the precedent set today by Wigan/Rangers/Hearts over Andy Webster, whereby a player having done 3 years of his deal can rip his contract up and pay compensation under 'just cause'. This would mean he could leave for no transfer fee. Who would pay his wages would be another matter.

 

 

The Webster story:

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...ian/6526119.stm

 

So not free then. We'd be entitled to a figure close to Owen's final year salary by way of compensation, so around £5m and I don't think we'd be getting much more on the transfer market with a year left on his deal.

 

 

The point being we couldn't stop him leaving. Little mickey pays us his salary, and gets a £5m signing bonus from his new club

The point being, not free.

 

Not guaranteed that the payment would be anywhere near £5m

Can he leave for free next summer?

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If fat Fred decides to be an arse with the FA and withold Owen as he's threatened, presumably that would be a justifiable reason for Owen to buy out his contract under the precedent set today by Wigan/Rangers/Hearts over Andy Webster, whereby a player having done 3 years of his deal can rip his contract up and pay compensation under 'just cause'. This would mean he could leave for no transfer fee. Who would pay his wages would be another matter.

 

 

The Webster story:

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...ian/6526119.stm

 

So not free then. We'd be entitled to a figure close to Owen's final year salary by way of compensation, so around £5m and I don't think we'd be getting much more on the transfer market with a year left on his deal.

 

 

The point being we couldn't stop him leaving. Little mickey pays us his salary, and gets a £5m signing bonus from his new club

The point being, not free.

 

Not guaranteed that the payment would be anywhere near £5m

Can he leave for free next summer?

 

Yes. Compensation would be subject to agreement through the courts a long time down the road, plus we would have to wait for our cases versus the FA, Phil Gartside, Kevin Bond and Panorama to clear before we could get round to that

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If fat Fred decides to be an arse with the FA and withold Owen as he's threatened, presumably that would be a justifiable reason for Owen to buy out his contract under the precedent set today by Wigan/Rangers/Hearts over Andy Webster, whereby a player having done 3 years of his deal can rip his contract up and pay compensation under 'just cause'. This would mean he could leave for no transfer fee. Who would pay his wages would be another matter.

 

 

The Webster story:

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...ian/6526119.stm

 

So not free then. We'd be entitled to a figure close to Owen's final year salary by way of compensation, so around £5m and I don't think we'd be getting much more on the transfer market with a year left on his deal.

 

 

The point being we couldn't stop him leaving. Little mickey pays us his salary, and gets a £5m signing bonus from his new club

The point being, not free.

 

Not guaranteed that the payment would be anywhere near £5m

Can he leave for free next summer?

 

Yes. Compensation would be subject to agreement through the courts a long time down the road, plus we would have to wait for our cases versus the FA, Phil Gartside, Kevin Bond and Panorama to clear before we could get round to that

Which is it then? He is able to leave on a free or we get compensation should he choose to buy out the remander of his contract next summer?

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If fat Fred decides to be an arse with the FA and withold Owen as he's threatened, presumably that would be a justifiable reason for Owen to buy out his contract under the precedent set today by Wigan/Rangers/Hearts over Andy Webster, whereby a player having done 3 years of his deal can rip his contract up and pay compensation under 'just cause'. This would mean he could leave for no transfer fee. Who would pay his wages would be another matter.

 

 

The Webster story:

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...ian/6526119.stm

 

So not free then. We'd be entitled to a figure close to Owen's final year salary by way of compensation, so around £5m and I don't think we'd be getting much more on the transfer market with a year left on his deal.

 

 

The point being we couldn't stop him leaving. Little mickey pays us his salary, and gets a £5m signing bonus from his new club

The point being, not free.

 

Not guaranteed that the payment would be anywhere near £5m

Can he leave for free next summer?

 

Yes. Compensation would be subject to agreement through the courts a long time down the road, plus we would have to wait for our cases versus the FA, Phil Gartside, Kevin Bond and Panorama to clear before we could get round to that

Which is it then? He is able to leave on a free or we get compensation should he choose to buy out the remander of his contract next summer?

 

For all intents and purposes it is the same effect as losing him for free. The compensation is of uncertain amount, and will definitely be long after the event. Losing him for compo might as well be for free considering his likely goal tally by the time he goes and the fee we paid for him.

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If fat Fred decides to be an arse with the FA and withold Owen as he's threatened, presumably that would be a justifiable reason for Owen to buy out his contract under the precedent set today by Wigan/Rangers/Hearts over Andy Webster, whereby a player having done 3 years of his deal can rip his contract up and pay compensation under 'just cause'. This would mean he could leave for no transfer fee. Who would pay his wages would be another matter.

 

 

The Webster story:

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...ian/6526119.stm

 

So not free then. We'd be entitled to a figure close to Owen's final year salary by way of compensation, so around £5m and I don't think we'd be getting much more on the transfer market with a year left on his deal.

 

 

The point being we couldn't stop him leaving. Little mickey pays us his salary, and gets a £5m signing bonus from his new club

The point being, not free.

 

Not guaranteed that the payment would be anywhere near £5m

Can he leave for free next summer?

 

Yes. Compensation would be subject to agreement through the courts a long time down the road, plus we would have to wait for our cases versus the FA, Phil Gartside, Kevin Bond and Panorama to clear before we could get round to that

Which is it then? He is able to leave on a free or we get compensation should he choose to buy out the remander of his contract next summer?

 

For all intents and purposes it is the same effect as losing him for free. The compensation is of uncertain amount, and will definitely be long after the event. Losing him for compo might as well be for free considering his likely goal tally by the time he goes and the fee we paid for him.

The latter then. The rest is based on a flawed supposition imo. Much like the thread itself :lol:

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If fat Fred decides to be an arse with the FA and withold Owen as he's threatened, presumably that would be a justifiable reason for Owen to buy out his contract under the precedent set today by Wigan/Rangers/Hearts over Andy Webster, whereby a player having done 3 years of his deal can rip his contract up and pay compensation under 'just cause'. This would mean he could leave for no transfer fee. Who would pay his wages would be another matter.

 

 

The Webster story:

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...ian/6526119.stm

 

So not free then. We'd be entitled to a figure close to Owen's final year salary by way of compensation, so around £5m and I don't think we'd be getting much more on the transfer market with a year left on his deal.

 

 

The point being we couldn't stop him leaving. Little mickey pays us his salary, and gets a £5m signing bonus from his new club

The point being, not free.

 

Not guaranteed that the payment would be anywhere near £5m

Can he leave for free next summer?

 

Yes. Compensation would be subject to agreement through the courts a long time down the road, plus we would have to wait for our cases versus the FA, Phil Gartside, Kevin Bond and Panorama to clear before we could get round to that

Which is it then? He is able to leave on a free or we get compensation should he choose to buy out the remander of his contract next summer?

 

For all intents and purposes it is the same effect as losing him for free. The compensation is of uncertain amount, and will definitely be long after the event. Losing him for compo might as well be for free considering his likely goal tally by the time he goes and the fee we paid for him.

The latter then.

 

Does it matter? Would you be happy with him leaving of his own volition with a few thousand quid as compensation

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Does it matter? Would you be happy with him leaving of his own volition with a few thousand quid as compensation

It matters in the sense that he can't leave for free next summer. As for your question, I can't really be arsed with debating any hypothetical worse-case scenarios you've dreamt up.

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If fat Fred decides to be an arse with the FA and withold Owen as he's threatened, presumably that would be a justifiable reason for Owen to buy out his contract under the precedent set today by Wigan/Rangers/Hearts over Andy Webster, whereby a player having done 3 years of his deal can rip his contract up and pay compensation under 'just cause'. This would mean he could leave for no transfer fee. Who would pay his wages would be another matter.

 

 

The Webster story:

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...ian/6526119.stm

 

So not free then. We'd be entitled to a figure close to Owen's final year salary by way of compensation, so around £5m and I don't think we'd be getting much more on the transfer market with a year left on his deal.

 

 

The point being we couldn't stop him leaving. Little mickey pays us his salary, and gets a £5m signing bonus from his new club

The point being, not free.

 

Not guaranteed that the payment would be anywhere near £5m

Can he leave for free next summer?

 

Yes. Compensation would be subject to agreement through the courts a long time down the road, plus we would have to wait for our cases versus the FA, Phil Gartside, Kevin Bond and Panorama to clear before we could get round to that

Which is it then? He is able to leave on a free or we get compensation should he choose to buy out the remander of his contract next summer?

 

For all intents and purposes it is the same effect as losing him for free. The compensation is of uncertain amount, and will definitely be long after the event. Losing him for compo might as well be for free considering his likely goal tally by the time he goes and the fee we paid for him.

The latter then. The rest is based on a flawed supposition imo. Much like the thread itself :lol:

 

 

What facts in the OP do you dispute then? Is Fred not going to sue the FA? If so, why is he making such a fool of the club in public yet again? Is M. Owen going to play exclusively for NUFC for the remainder of his contract? Or has M. Owen got a proven reputation of looking out for himself?

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If fat Fred decides to be an arse with the FA and withold Owen as he's threatened, presumably that would be a justifiable reason for Owen to buy out his contract under the precedent set today by Wigan/Rangers/Hearts over Andy Webster, whereby a player having done 3 years of his deal can rip his contract up and pay compensation under 'just cause'. This would mean he could leave for no transfer fee. Who would pay his wages would be another matter.

 

 

The Webster story:

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...ian/6526119.stm

 

So not free then. We'd be entitled to a figure close to Owen's final year salary by way of compensation, so around £5m and I don't think we'd be getting much more on the transfer market with a year left on his deal.

 

 

The point being we couldn't stop him leaving. Little mickey pays us his salary, and gets a £5m signing bonus from his new club

The point being, not free.

 

Not guaranteed that the payment would be anywhere near £5m

Can he leave for free next summer?

 

Yes. Compensation would be subject to agreement through the courts a long time down the road, plus we would have to wait for our cases versus the FA, Phil Gartside, Kevin Bond and Panorama to clear before we could get round to that

Which is it then? He is able to leave on a free or we get compensation should he choose to buy out the remander of his contract next summer?

 

For all intents and purposes it is the same effect as losing him for free. The compensation is of uncertain amount, and will definitely be long after the event. Losing him for compo might as well be for free considering his likely goal tally by the time he goes and the fee we paid for him.

The latter then.

 

Does it matter? Would you be happy with him leaving of his own volition with a few thousand quid as compensation

It matters in the sense that he can't leave for free next summer.

 

 

If you think that scenario is not equivalent to free, that's fine. Daft, but fine.

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