Drug firms 'block' cheap medicine

[Park Life 70]

Where did i say companies dont push to extend the patent on the drug they developed?

 

Heres how the world works Chompsky; a group of lawyers who produce generics drugs lobby Law-makers in the EC to change the law in their favour, the EC acts on this lobbying as they agree that they could save money if they change the law. Hence this story.

 

The fact that you think its a moral crusade is laughable really given the protagonists.

 

 

My mate was one of the main protagonists to get the German Govt onside reg generics.

Hope he's already got private health insurance.

 

 

My other mate works in the U.K. Gov licensing debt and deals regualarly with GSK trickery.

 

But I shall not enter this thread.

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I like the way this smiley points at the line that's just been written.

Me too.

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Where did i say companies dont push to extend the patent on the drug they developed?

 

Heres how the world works Chompsky; a group of lawyers who produce generics drugs lobby Law-makers in the EC to change the law in their favour, the EC acts on this lobbying as they agree that they could save money if they change the law. Hence this story.

 

The fact that you think its a moral crusade is laughable really given the protagonists.

 

In all the prior threads.

 

It's a bit hard to deny it now of course.

 

 

 

That's the thing though, it doesn't really matter why the EU is doing it (probably because of who can offer the biggest back handers), what matter is it is being address (and that it happens whether people like yourself want to admit it or not ).

 

You said in another thread that you didnt know what you were talking about and admitted that i had owned you consistently on this topic for months.

 

Ah yes that was the same thread you said that I was completely right about all this, I remember it well.

 

And now the EU does too.

 

 

Laughing at yourself, how HTT of you.

 

Why don't you produce those posts you allege Chez made instead, I'd be interested to read them.

Just balancing the books.

 

Its in the other thread, scroll back.

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Where did i say companies dont push to extend the patent on the drug they developed?

 

Heres how the world works Chompsky; a group of lawyers who produce generics drugs lobby Law-makers in the EC to change the law in their favour, the EC acts on this lobbying as they agree that they could save money if they change the law. Hence this story.

 

The fact that you think its a moral crusade is laughable really given the protagonists.

 

 

My mate was one of the main protagonists to get the German Govt onside reg generics.

Hope he's already got private health insurance.

 

 

My other mate works in the U.K. Gov licensing debt and deals regualarly with GSK trickery.

 

But I shall not enter this thread.

 

It probably will get you on their hit list.

[ChezGiven 0]

Where did i say companies dont push to extend the patent on the drug they developed?

 

Heres how the world works Chompsky; a group of lawyers who produce generics drugs lobby Law-makers in the EC to change the law in their favour, the EC acts on this lobbying as they agree that they could save money if they change the law. Hence this story.

 

The fact that you think its a moral crusade is laughable really given the protagonists.

 

 

My mate was one of the main protagonists to get the German Govt onside reg generics.

 

IQWIG is going to be a lot of fun. Keeps me in a job anyway.

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Where did i say companies dont push to extend the patent on the drug they developed?

 

Heres how the world works Chompsky; a group of lawyers who produce generics drugs lobby Law-makers in the EC to change the law in their favour, the EC acts on this lobbying as they agree that they could save money if they change the law. Hence this story.

 

The fact that you think its a moral crusade is laughable really given the protagonists.

 

 

My mate was one of the main protagonists to get the German Govt onside reg generics.

 

IQWIG is going to be a lot of fun. Keeps me in a job anyway.

 

There's always a strong market for flannel.

[Renton 17821]

Yup, whilst pretending they are "helping" people.

 

 

It's just Chezzy is so funny when he's saying this isn't happening...... yet the EU seem to think it is.

 

Huge corporations in trying to make a profit shocker! This is no different to any other business except that people get much more emotive when it's about healthcare. It's an industry like any other.

 

 

It's not.

 

It saves lives. Time Warner just take your mind off all the death that surrounds you.

 

The better argument would be that the huge profit is an excellent incentive to for companies to keep producing the next life saving drug.

 

Lot's of things save lives, directly or indirectly, and many pharmaceutical products (e.g. Viagra, analgesics) have nothing to do with saving lives. If you're going to keep peddling this idea that pharmaceutical companies should be governed by different rules, please direct me to a system that works better for the patient interest. I think you have partly answered it yourself in the last line mind.

 

You don't believe the health industry is any different to....say.....the porn industry?

 

Oh ffs, have you got the Fop virus or something?

 

To answer your question. No. (proof in itself).

 

I don't see how, as someone working in the industry, you can think it's of no more importance than any other commercial enterprise, or shouldn't be overseen in a way that benefits humanity, which of course it does as it stands. I used a flippant example to contrast that.

 

The argument that phamaceuticals can only be force for good is flawed imo though. All the positives are great, but I still think they peddle over the counter drugs people don't need, with worse side effects that need treatments of their own to balance it out. Then there's anti-depressants for kids and that. But that's another story.

 

I think you're confusing the healthcare system per se with the pharmaceutical industry HF. They're not one and the same. And I don't see how the pharmaceutical industry could develop new drugs effectively under the umbrella of the health service, even without taking global economics into account. The key of course is effective regulation, which I think we have personally.

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Also out of interest are you admitting that 1300 patents on a single drug is effectively purely a marketing trick?

[Renton 17821]

Where did i say companies dont push to extend the patent on the drug they developed?

 

Heres how the world works Chompsky; a group of lawyers who produce generics drugs lobby Law-makers in the EC to change the law in their favour, the EC acts on this lobbying as they agree that they could save money if they change the law. Hence this story.

 

The fact that you think its a moral crusade is laughable really given the protagonists.

 

In all the prior threads.

 

It's a bit hard to deny it now of course.

 

 

 

That's the thing though, it doesn't really matter why the EU is doing it (probably because of who can offer the biggest back handers), what matter is it is being address (and that it happens whether people like yourself want to admit it or not ).

 

You said in another thread that you didnt know what you were talking about and admitted that i had owned you consistently on this topic for months.

 

Ah yes that was the same thread you said that I was completely right about all this, I remember it well.

 

And now the EU does too.

 

 

Laughing at yourself, how HTT of you.

 

Why don't you produce those posts you allege Chez made instead, I'd be interested to read them.

Just balancing the books.

 

Its in the other thread, scroll back.

 

I can't find it. Care to be more specific?

[ChezGiven 0]

Where did i say companies dont push to extend the patent on the drug they developed?

 

Heres how the world works Chompsky; a group of lawyers who produce generics drugs lobby Law-makers in the EC to change the law in their favour, the EC acts on this lobbying as they agree that they could save money if they change the law. Hence this story.

 

The fact that you think its a moral crusade is laughable really given the protagonists.

 

 

My mate was one of the main protagonists to get the German Govt onside reg generics.

 

IQWIG is going to be a lot of fun. Keeps me in a job anyway.

 

There's always a strong market for flannel.

 

We respond to their needs, if they want flannel, they can have it.

[Park Life 70]

Where did i say companies dont push to extend the patent on the drug they developed?

 

Heres how the world works Chompsky; a group of lawyers who produce generics drugs lobby Law-makers in the EC to change the law in their favour, the EC acts on this lobbying as they agree that they could save money if they change the law. Hence this story.

 

The fact that you think its a moral crusade is laughable really given the protagonists.

 

 

My mate was one of the main protagonists to get the German Govt onside reg generics.

Hope he's already got private health insurance.

 

 

My other mate works in the U.K. Gov licensing debt and deals regualarly with GSK trickery.

 

But I shall not enter this thread.

 

It probably will get you on their hit list.

 

 

Nah. I was just hoping Chez would offer hard cash for tips on how licensing is going. :icon_lol:

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I think you're confusing the healthcare system per se with the pharmaceutical industry HF. They're not one and the same. And I don't see how the pharmaceutical industry could develop new drugs effectively under the umbrella of the health service, even without taking global economics into account. The key of course is effective regulation, which I think we have personally.

Except of course they can, or others can (even now much low grade research is public funded), the problem occurs because the end result inevitably goes straight into private coffers and it's very difficult to stop this occurring.

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Where did i say companies dont push to extend the patent on the drug they developed?

 

Heres how the world works Chompsky; a group of lawyers who produce generics drugs lobby Law-makers in the EC to change the law in their favour, the EC acts on this lobbying as they agree that they could save money if they change the law. Hence this story.

 

The fact that you think its a moral crusade is laughable really given the protagonists.

 

 

My mate was one of the main protagonists to get the German Govt onside reg generics.

 

IQWIG is going to be a lot of fun. Keeps me in a job anyway.

 

There's always a strong market for flannel.

 

We respond to their needs, if they want flannel, they can have it.

Nice to see we agree on this anyway.

 

Now what about:

 

 

Also out of interest are you admitting that 1300 patents on a single drug is effectively purely a marketing trick?

[ChezGiven 0]

I think you're confusing the healthcare system per se with the pharmaceutical industry HF. They're not one and the same. And I don't see how the pharmaceutical industry could develop new drugs effectively under the umbrella of the health service, even without taking global economics into account. The key of course is effective regulation, which I think we have personally.

Except of course they can, or others can (even now much low grade research is public funded), the problem occurs because the end result inevitably goes straight into private coffers and it's very difficult to stop this occurring.

Name 3 on patent drugs that were discovered through public research that are making significant contributions to alleviating human illness?

 

I bet you an hours wages you cant.

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I can't find it. Care to be more specific?

The other recent health care thread, search back through my posts if you want too (I may charge you for the "service" though ).

[Renton 17821]

I think you're confusing the healthcare system per se with the pharmaceutical industry HF. They're not one and the same. And I don't see how the pharmaceutical industry could develop new drugs effectively under the umbrella of the health service, even without taking global economics into account. The key of course is effective regulation, which I think we have personally.

Except of course they can, or others can (even now much low grade research is public funded), the problem occurs because the end result inevitably goes straight into private coffers and it's very difficult to stop this occurring.

 

That's cobblers. How is the state going to justify blowing 500 million quid on a drug which might not even work? It can only ever work in the private sector, at least as long as we have a capitalist society.

[Renton 17821]

I can't find it. Care to be more specific?

The other recent health care thread, search back through my posts if you want too (I may charge you for the "service" though ).

 

Link or post number will suffice, tia.

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I think you're confusing the healthcare system per se with the pharmaceutical industry HF. They're not one and the same. And I don't see how the pharmaceutical industry could develop new drugs effectively under the umbrella of the health service, even without taking global economics into account. The key of course is effective regulation, which I think we have personally.

Except of course they can, or others can (even now much low grade research is public funded), the problem occurs because the end result inevitably goes straight into private coffers and it's very difficult to stop this occurring.

Name 3 on patent drugs that were discovered through public research that are making significant contributions to alleviating human illness?

 

I bet you an hours wages you cant.

 

You're proving my point.

 

Like I have repeatedly said that's the whole issue with public funded research, and has been for a long time now.

 

People say it "cannot happen", but the problem is when it does the public pays for it and private companies profit, so public research gets less and less - it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, based on a something that shouldn't occur in the first place.

[ChezGiven 0]

Also out of interest are you admitting that 1300 patents on a single drug is effectively purely a marketing trick?

 

 

Random.

 

Name those three drugs though since my question followed something you said and has a context.

[Fop 1]

I can't find it. Care to be more specific?

The other recent health care thread, search back through my posts if you want too (I may charge you for the "service" though ).

 

Link or post number will suffice, tia.

£100 per link, paypal will do.

[ChezGiven 0]

I think you're confusing the healthcare system per se with the pharmaceutical industry HF. They're not one and the same. And I don't see how the pharmaceutical industry could develop new drugs effectively under the umbrella of the health service, even without taking global economics into account. The key of course is effective regulation, which I think we have personally.

Except of course they can, or others can (even now much low grade research is public funded), the problem occurs because the end result inevitably goes straight into private coffers and it's very difficult to stop this occurring.

 

That's cobblers. How is the state going to justify blowing 500 million quid on a drug which might not even work? It can only ever work in the private sector, at least as long as we have a capitalist society.

 

If he can answer that, I'll give him a job.

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I think you're confusing the healthcare system per se with the pharmaceutical industry HF. They're not one and the same. And I don't see how the pharmaceutical industry could develop new drugs effectively under the umbrella of the health service, even without taking global economics into account. The key of course is effective regulation, which I think we have personally.

Except of course they can, or others can (even now much low grade research is public funded), the problem occurs because the end result inevitably goes straight into private coffers and it's very difficult to stop this occurring.

 

That's cobblers. How is the state going to justify blowing 500 million quid on a drug which might not even work? It can only ever work in the private sector, at least as long as we have a capitalist society.

Again no, it can work in the same way as it works for private companies, it doesn't end up working that way most of the time, but that's the problem.

[Renton 17821]

I think you're confusing the healthcare system per se with the pharmaceutical industry HF. They're not one and the same. And I don't see how the pharmaceutical industry could develop new drugs effectively under the umbrella of the health service, even without taking global economics into account. The key of course is effective regulation, which I think we have personally.

Except of course they can, or others can (even now much low grade research is public funded), the problem occurs because the end result inevitably goes straight into private coffers and it's very difficult to stop this occurring.

Name 3 on patent drugs that were discovered through public research that are making significant contributions to alleviating human illness?

 

I bet you an hours wages you cant.

 

You're proving my point.

 

Like I have repeatedly said that's the whole issue with public funded research, and has been for a long time now.

 

People say it "cannot happen", but the problem is when it does the public pays for it and private companies profit, so public research gets less and less - it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, based on a something that shouldn't occur in the first place.

 

Out of interest, what was drug development in the old USSR like? Genuine question btw, I don't know.

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I think you're confusing the healthcare system per se with the pharmaceutical industry HF. They're not one and the same. And I don't see how the pharmaceutical industry could develop new drugs effectively under the umbrella of the health service, even without taking global economics into account. The key of course is effective regulation, which I think we have personally.

Except of course they can, or others can (even now much low grade research is public funded), the problem occurs because the end result inevitably goes straight into private coffers and it's very difficult to stop this occurring.

 

That's cobblers. How is the state going to justify blowing 500 million quid on a drug which might not even work? It can only ever work in the private sector, at least as long as we have a capitalist society.

 

If he can answer that, I'll give him a job.

Only to keep me quiet though.

[Renton 17821]

I think you're confusing the healthcare system per se with the pharmaceutical industry HF. They're not one and the same. And I don't see how the pharmaceutical industry could develop new drugs effectively under the umbrella of the health service, even without taking global economics into account. The key of course is effective regulation, which I think we have personally.

Except of course they can, or others can (even now much low grade research is public funded), the problem occurs because the end result inevitably goes straight into private coffers and it's very difficult to stop this occurring.

 

That's cobblers. How is the state going to justify blowing 500 million quid on a drug which might not even work? It can only ever work in the private sector, at least as long as we have a capitalist society.

Again no, it can work in the same way as it works for private companies, it doesn't end up working that way most of the time, but that's the problem.

 

Name an equivalent in another sector where it works then?

Edited November 28, 2008 by Renton