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  1. Europe --- In or Out

    Strikes me countries with PR are doing better than us. I'm not an expert on foreign systems but ours is horseshit.
  2. Europe --- In or Out

    Why would it need a vote when most people in NI voted remain and the huge majority in Ireland are pro EU?
  3. Europe --- In or Out

    I am. I'm advocating ripping up FptP and bringing in PR.
  4. Europe --- In or Out

    Erm, Cameron 2015? Remember, best PM of your lifetime? Our system isn't built for power sharing. We need to change this because people need to be represented in the 21st century.
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    It doesn't have to be winner takes all. Our political system as well as the US is a complete shambles now, not fit for purpose. I'll give you an example. When UKip got 10% of the votes they had every right to be represented. It would have beenuch less damaging and more importantly fair. What we got with Cameron's appeasement was much worse. FPTP is now leading to extreme governments rather than moderate ones. That's not good.
  6. Europe --- In or Out

    We've had 8 years of hung parliaments, and they have been 8 very bad years. I want an end to adversarial politics full stop, it's ripping the country apart.
  7. Europe --- In or Out

    I'm not sold on the idea actually, but May has got herself into such a mess it may be the only way forward. Look, about half the population voted for Brexit and half didn't in an advisory referendum. I wanted a grown up to examine the options and take the least damaging course. That's to leave the political structures of the EU and remain in the EEA and CU. Most people would accept that. There is no mandate for the extreme Brexit you want.
  8. Europe --- In or Out

    Good, I trust you agree with Davis that democracy is a process and must be allowed to change it's mind? Now seems quite a good time to test that. Not afraid to are you? As an aside, any democracy that has given us such awful representation is self evidently broken. If Brexit does one thing, I hope it leads to a change in our system of government. Could even you argue with that?
  9. Europe --- In or Out

    As part of a cynical manifesto. You've unsurprisingly completely missed the point that plebiscite referenda about complex issues are inherently a bad idea. We live in a representative democracy, not a direct democracy.
  10. Europe --- In or Out

    EU membership was consistently not in the top 3 concerns of the UK public. We l8ve in a parliamentary democracy, if it became so important to people they could have voted for a party offering it (UKip). Germany in the 1930s is proof plebiscite referenda are not a good idea. To have one about a subject this complex was insane. To have one not requiring a super majority even more insane. And to have one that didn't require unanimity between the constituent countries was asking for the break up of the UK. And then there's the lies, the illegal harvesting of voter data, the illegal spending, and the influence of Russia to consider. The outcome was inevitably fucked.
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  12. Europe --- In or Out

    Our trade with the EU isn't shrinking in absolute terms, it's just not increasing as much relatively, a phenomenon entirely expected as third world countries mature. We can trade with all these countries now. But because of economic gravity, the EU will always be our most important trade partner.
  13. Europe --- In or Out

    Sigh. May agreed to a backstop. Originally it was agreed to be specific to NI but in December Foster vetoed this. Despite this, it's still my interpretation that this is what the backstop means in practice and that May has been entirely disingenuous in her approach, a view shared by the EU and which risks the WA. I appreciate you don't agree, so let's move on. What "lie" have i told today? Do you accept that a hard Brexit FTA type deal is problematic for companies operating JiT manufacturing or not? Yes or no please? If no, then explain why?
  14. Europe --- In or Out

    Either he's wrong or every fucking expert in the industry is. Bear in mind, Canada is an extreme hard Brexit at the bottom of Barniers step diagram. At what stage did this even become remotely acceptable? It doesn't even include services.
  15. Europe --- In or Out

    Nice deflection. You've insisted that a CETA style deal is Okay for the British automobile industry, contrary to the claims of the CEOs of all of the affected companies, with the latest one being Ford. Have you learned what the single market is yet and why we need to be in it if we want to keep JiT supply chains operational? Oh, that's right, you think all the suppliers will set up shop here. How about you give a link to support that claim?

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