'US drone' hits Pakistan

[Happy Face 29]

Keep banging the "bomb innocent civilians" drum though, it's brilliant you prefer killing people who've done nothing wrong to arresting them, giving them a beating and releasing them.

Fop never said anything of the sort,

 

What does that matter? You definitely want to kill as many innocent civilians as you possibly can....mostly brown ones because you're racialist. Of course you'll deny it, partly because you've never said it, but mostly because you want to dig yourself out of the hawkish, bloodthirsty, murderous hole you've dug for yourself.

[Fop 1]

Keep banging the "bomb innocent civilians" drum though, it's brilliant you prefer killing people who've done nothing wrong to arresting them, giving them a beating and releasing them.

Fop never said anything of the sort,

 

What does that matter? You definitely want to kill as many innocent civilians as you possibly can....mostly brown ones because you're racialist. Of course you'll deny it, partly because you've never said it, but mostly because you want to dig yourself out of the hawkish, bloodthirsty, murderous hole you've dug for yourself.

Poor Chris, guess your fascist hole really did get to you.

 

 

Now answer the question please.

 

 

What do you do when you've followed him?

[Happy Face 29]

Keep banging the "bomb innocent civilians" drum though, it's brilliant you prefer killing people who've done nothing wrong to arresting them, giving them a beating and releasing them.

Fop never said anything of the sort,

 

What does that matter? You definitely want to kill as many innocent civilians as you possibly can....mostly brown ones because you're racialist. Of course you'll deny it, partly because you've never said it, but mostly because you want to dig yourself out of the hawkish, bloodthirsty, murderous hole you've dug for yourself.

Poor Chris, guess your fascist hole really did get to you.

 

 

Now answer the question please.

 

 

What do you do when you've followed him?

 

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/0...an_worried.html

[Fop 1]

Keep banging the "bomb innocent civilians" drum though, it's brilliant you prefer killing people who've done nothing wrong to arresting them, giving them a beating and releasing them.

Fop never said anything of the sort,

 

What does that matter? You definitely want to kill as many innocent civilians as you possibly can....mostly brown ones because you're racialist. Of course you'll deny it, partly because you've never said it, but mostly because you want to dig yourself out of the hawkish, bloodthirsty, murderous hole you've dug for yourself.

Poor Chris, guess your fascist hole really did get to you.

 

 

Now answer the question please.

 

 

What do you do when you've followed him?

 

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/0...an_worried.html

 

So are you saying you'd use spy's and then have him killed with a "laser-guided missile fired from a pilotless U.S. Predator plane" as stated in that article?

[Happy Face 29]

Keep banging the "bomb innocent civilians" drum though, it's brilliant you prefer killing people who've done nothing wrong to arresting them, giving them a beating and releasing them.

Fop never said anything of the sort,

 

What does that matter? You definitely want to kill as many innocent civilians as you possibly can....mostly brown ones because you're racialist. Of course you'll deny it, partly because you've never said it, but mostly because you want to dig yourself out of the hawkish, bloodthirsty, murderous hole you've dug for yourself.

Poor Chris, guess your fascist hole really did get to you.

 

 

Now answer the question please.

 

 

What do you do when you've followed him?

 

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/0...an_worried.html

 

So are you saying you'd use spy's and then have him killed with a "laser-guided missile fired from a pilotless U.S. Predator plane" as stated in that article?

 

No, I'm saying it's possible to spy on them.

 

You suggested that was an impossibility.

 

Now for the umpteenth time....

 

WHAT WOULD YOU DO FOP!!! FOR GOD'S SAKE! WHAT WOULD YOU DO?? THE CLOCK IS TICKING!!

 

I know you won't say, but that's ok petal. I couldn't give a fuck.

[Fop 1]

Keep banging the "bomb innocent civilians" drum though, it's brilliant you prefer killing people who've done nothing wrong to arresting them, giving them a beating and releasing them.

Fop never said anything of the sort,

 

What does that matter? You definitely want to kill as many innocent civilians as you possibly can....mostly brown ones because you're racialist. Of course you'll deny it, partly because you've never said it, but mostly because you want to dig yourself out of the hawkish, bloodthirsty, murderous hole you've dug for yourself.

Poor Chris, guess your fascist hole really did get to you.

 

 

Now answer the question please.

 

 

What do you do when you've followed him?

 

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/0...an_worried.html

 

So are you saying you'd use spy's and then have him killed with a "laser-guided missile fired from a pilotless U.S. Predator plane" as stated in that article?

 

No, I'm saying it's possible to spy on them.

 

You suggested that was an impossibility.

 

Now for the umpteenth time....

 

WHAT WOULD YOU DO FOP!!! FOR GOD'S SAKE! WHAT WOULD YOU DO?? THE CLOCK IS TICKING!!

 

I know you won't say, but that's ok petal. I couldn't give a fuck.

Calm down, it's just a question.

 

 

 

 

Spying on then is a very different things to "following" them.

 

Spying (or getting tip offs from paid informers) is par for the course, following is very difficult indeed in those circumstances.

 

 

But again what Fop is asking is what do you do when you've followed him or got his location or whatever?

 

 

 

Judging by that article you posted you seem to suggest killing him with missiles fires from a drone? Is that the case?

[Happy Face 29]

Keep banging the "bomb innocent civilians" drum though, it's brilliant you prefer killing people who've done nothing wrong to arresting them, giving them a beating and releasing them.

Fop never said anything of the sort,

 

What does that matter? You definitely want to kill as many innocent civilians as you possibly can....mostly brown ones because you're racialist. Of course you'll deny it, partly because you've never said it, but mostly because you want to dig yourself out of the hawkish, bloodthirsty, murderous hole you've dug for yourself.

Poor Chris, guess your fascist hole really did get to you.

 

 

Now answer the question please.

 

 

What do you do when you've followed him?

 

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/0...an_worried.html

 

So are you saying you'd use spy's and then have him killed with a "laser-guided missile fired from a pilotless U.S. Predator plane" as stated in that article?

 

No, I'm saying it's possible to spy on them.

 

You suggested that was an impossibility.

 

Now for the umpteenth time....

 

WHAT WOULD YOU DO FOP!!! FOR GOD'S SAKE! WHAT WOULD YOU DO?? THE CLOCK IS TICKING!!

 

I know you won't say, but that's ok petal. I couldn't give a fuck.

Calm down, it's just a question.

 

 

 

 

Spying on then is a very different things to "following" them.

 

Spying (or getting tip offs from paid informers) is par for the course, following is very difficult indeed in those circumstances.

 

 

But again what Fop is asking is what do you do when you've followed him or got his location or whatever?

 

 

 

Judging by that article you posted you seem to suggest killing him with missiles fires from a drone? Is that the case?

 

 

I'll come back to this later, when it's quiet.

 

Let's aim for at least another 6 pages of circular arguments around my view which has been clear from page one. Other posters and lurkers love it.

[Fop 1]

Keep banging the "bomb innocent civilians" drum though, it's brilliant you prefer killing people who've done nothing wrong to arresting them, giving them a beating and releasing them.

Fop never said anything of the sort,

 

What does that matter? You definitely want to kill as many innocent civilians as you possibly can....mostly brown ones because you're racialist. Of course you'll deny it, partly because you've never said it, but mostly because you want to dig yourself out of the hawkish, bloodthirsty, murderous hole you've dug for yourself.

Poor Chris, guess your fascist hole really did get to you.

 

 

Now answer the question please.

 

 

What do you do when you've followed him?

 

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/0...an_worried.html

 

So are you saying you'd use spy's and then have him killed with a "laser-guided missile fired from a pilotless U.S. Predator plane" as stated in that article?

 

No, I'm saying it's possible to spy on them.

 

You suggested that was an impossibility.

 

Now for the umpteenth time....

 

WHAT WOULD YOU DO FOP!!! FOR GOD'S SAKE! WHAT WOULD YOU DO?? THE CLOCK IS TICKING!!

 

I know you won't say, but that's ok petal. I couldn't give a fuck.

Calm down, it's just a question.

 

 

 

 

Spying on then is a very different things to "following" them.

 

Spying (or getting tip offs from paid informers) is par for the course, following is very difficult indeed in those circumstances.

 

 

But again what Fop is asking is what do you do when you've followed him or got his location or whatever?

 

 

 

Judging by that article you posted you seem to suggest killing him with missiles fires from a drone? Is that the case?

 

 

I'll come back to this later, when it's quiet.

 

Let's aim for at least another 6 pages of circular arguments around my view which has been clear from page one. Other posters and lurkers love it.

 

 

Fop just want to know if that is what you are saying.

 

 

As what you seem to be saying is Maj General Holt would wait until an informer gave a strong tip off of where he'd be, then you'd try to kill him by bombing him with missiles from a Drone unit. Which is pretty much exactly what happened.

 

 

That's seems pretty clear, if that is not what you'd do then by all mean elucidate.

[Rob W 0]

you could always do what the Russians did to one of the Chechen leaders..........

 

they gt his mobile phone number and then arranged a listening satellite and an Su-27 aloft with a long range missile

 

the head of the FSV gave him a call and while they chatted they got a fix and fired the missile..............

[Fop 1]

you could always do what the Russians did to one of the Chechen leaders..........

 

they gt his mobile phone number and then arranged a listening satellite and an Su-27 aloft with a long range missile

 

the head of the FSV gave him a call and while they chatted they got a fix and fired the missile..............

 

Maj General Holt would probably agree with that strategy, the problem is with how mobile phone triangulation works and an area like Pakistan's border you'd have to either do it in a rather populous area, or use a very big bomb...... or likely both.

Edited June 29, 2009 by Fop

[Holden McGroin 5063]

Why is Fop talking about himself in the 3rd person ? Sums him up really.

[Fop 1]

Why is Fop talking about himself in the 3rd person ? Sums him up really.

Fop suspects you should pay more attention.

[Holden McGroin 5063]

I tend to drift over threads involving you. Rather tedious.

[Fop 1]

I tend to drift over threads involving you. Rather tedious.

Boring day?

[Holden McGroin 5063]

Nah, i normally go home for lunch but its too hot to move down here so I decided to read one of your threads.

 

Im not convinced my decision was correct.

[Fop 1]

Nah, i normally go home for lunch but its too hot to move down here so I decided to read one of your threads.

 

Im not convinced my decision was correct.

 

Not Fop's thread.

[Fop 1]

A very strange Taliban burial

 

By Syed Shoaib Hasan

BBC News, Dera Ismail Khan

 

Mourner at Qari Zain's funeral

Qari Zain was shot dead by one of his own bodyguards after morning prayers

 

Tribal leader and Taliban breakaway commander Qari Zainuddin Mehsud was killed earlier this week. His funeral took place in Dera Ismail Khan in north-west Pakistan.

 

It was as unlikely a situation as one is likely to find - even in Pakistan.

 

The burial of a Taliban commander in a Shia graveyard while Pakistan's armed forces provide security for his militants.

 

A small number of people - his men and journalists - stood for nearly an hour in the debilitating heat of Dera Ismail Khan as the last rites were performed.

 

Security personnel in official vehicles and armoured carriers stood in silent vigil as usually stoic Taliban militants broke down in tears.

 

The setting was the inglorious and sombre funeral of Qari Zainuddin Mehsud.

 

He had recently been catapulted into the position of pretender for the throne of Baitullah Mehsud, the most powerful Taliban commander in Pakistan.

 

Qari Zain, as he was known, was gunned down by one of his own bodyguards after morning prayers on Tuesday.

 

A day earlier, the BBC had arranged to have a chat with him about his decision to take on Baitullah.

 

But fate apparently had other designs for the young Taliban commander.

 

Rivalry

 

He had recently come out publicly denouncing Baitullah as being an enemy of Islam and Pakistan.

 

Turkestan Bhittani was allied to the slain Mehsud tribal leader.

 

Qari Zain had also declared a jihad against Baitullah Mehsud and formed a pro-government Taliban group called the Abdullah Mehsud group.

 

Abdullah Mehsud, a cousin of Qari Zain, was one of Pakistan's earliest Taliban commanders who advocated taking the fight to Nato forces from Pakistani territory.

 

He was killed by Pakistani security forces in Baluchistan, allegedly on information provided by Baitullah Mehsud.

 

Since Abdullah's death, Qari Zain had been building up a resistance to Baitullah's control within the Mehsud tribe.

 

He was also closely allied to Turkestan Bhittani, leader of the Bhittani tribe and Baitullah's main rival.

 

In recent times, both men have been aided by Pakistan's security establishment - to which Baitullah Mehsud now represents a clear and present danger.

 

But that plan has suffered a setback with Qari Zain's death.

 

No locals

 

His funeral was delayed as several concerns had to be addressed.

 

While his family was keen on his burial in his native village in South Waziristan, Pakistan's intelligence was understandably reluctant.

 

There was a very real possibility of his body being found hanging from a tree in South Waziristan

Local journalist

 

After having invested in Qari Zain's appeal as an alternative, they stood to be made a laughing stock with the Taliban's penchant for digging up the bodies of their rivals.

 

"Qari Zain had been denounced in the strongest of terms by Baitullah's men," remarked a local journalist in Dera Ismail Khan.

 

"There was a very real possibility of his body being found hanging from a tree in South Waziristan."

 

For this reason, the BBC had a tough job on Tuesday working out where and when the funeral would take place.

 

Reports that his body was being flown to South Waziristan were discovered to be false.

 

Instead it was learnt that his family was being flown in from that region to attend the funeral on Wednesday.

 

The timing and venue were kept a secret till a few hours before the event.

 

Banner proclaiming Qari Zain's war on Baitullah Mehsud

The details of Qari Zain's funeral were a closely guarded secret

 

Finally, as the heat rained down in Dera Ismail Khan, we made our way to the locality of Madina city.

 

A Shia-dominated neighbourhood was a strange setting for a Taliban funeral. The Taliban consider the Shia sect to be the same as non-Muslims or even worse.

 

But these "government Taliban" had apparently set up shop in the heart of this area.

 

As we drove through the narrow streets, two things stood out starkly.

 

The eerie lack of locals and the overwhelming presence of armed men on every corner.

 

It was the first time I have seen security personnel and Taliban militants manning checkpoints together.

 

As we parked our car outside the house where Qari Zain was killed, a Taliban militant told us that we should first go to the graveyard.

 

We immediately took off - through side streets.

 

These led to fields of maize located behind the houses. Crossing them we came to the graveyard, a resting place for mostly Shia and some Christian remains.

 

That perhaps contributed to the choice.

'Jihad continues'

 

It also said a lot about claims by the security forces of having taken the fight to Baitullah Mehsud. The airtight security managed to keep away any potential suicide bombers as well as locals and tribesmen.

 

"It would have been a poor crowd anyway with one side considering him a heretic and the other a traitor," said another journalist acidly.

 

For that is indeed how Qari Zain's siding with the government is seen by many of his fellow tribesmen.

 

The heavy irony of the situation was also not lost on those present.

 

That the only option for security forces to protect the body of their champion was to bury it in such a manner speaks volumes about which way the battle is going.

 

Having failed utterly to prevent his assassination, the only way they could protect his remains was to keep them as far away from South Waziristan as possible.

 

Soon after the funeral, militants loyal to the dead Taliban commander gathered at the house where he was killed.

 

A short ceremony ensued to appoint his brother Misabhuddin as the new chief.

 

Speaking to the BBC, he said he would continue his brother's mission and not rest till Baitullah was dead.

 

"The operation in South Waziristan is the government's right and those caught up in the fighting are all terrorists," Misabhuddin said.

 

But he was quite clear on another point as well:

 

"Jihad against America and its allies in Afghanistan would continue as well."

 

But was not the point of the operation in South Waziristan to stop such activities? Apparently not, as far as Misabhuddin is concerned.

 

"Pakistan's government only has problems with the foreign militants in the area. They have always supported us in the jihad in Afghanistan."

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/8118373.stm

 

 

Nothing is ever clear cut there.

 

 

Even for people like Happy Face/Maj General Holt that are pro-drone bombing assassination.

[Happy Face 29]

Nah, i normally go home for lunch but its too hot to move down here so I decided to read one of your threads.

 

Im not convinced my decision was correct.

 

Not Fop's thread.

 

It might not have started as your thread, but you're welcome to the fucker.

[Fop 1]

Nah, i normally go home for lunch but its too hot to move down here so I decided to read one of your threads.

 

Im not convinced my decision was correct.

 

Not Fop's thread.

 

It might not have started as your thread, but you're welcome to the fucker.

 

 

 

I'll come back to this later, when it's quiet.

 

Let's aim for at least another 6 pages of circular arguments around my view which has been clear from page one. Other posters and lurkers love it.

 

 

Fop just want to know if that is what you are saying.

 

 

As what you seem to be saying is Maj General Holt would wait until an informer gave a strong tip off of where he'd be, then you'd try to kill him by bombing him with missiles from a Drone unit. Which is pretty much exactly what happened.

 

 

That's seems pretty clear, if that is not what you'd do then by all mean elucidate.

 

It's quiet now, and you've had several days to try and think of an answer.

[Happy Face 29]

Nah, i normally go home for lunch but its too hot to move down here so I decided to read one of your threads.

 

Im not convinced my decision was correct.

 

Not Fop's thread.

 

It might not have started as your thread, but you're welcome to the fucker.

 

 

 

I'll come back to this later, when it's quiet.

 

Let's aim for at least another 6 pages of circular arguments around my view which has been clear from page one. Other posters and lurkers love it.

 

 

Fop just want to know if that is what you are saying.

 

 

As what you seem to be saying is Maj General Holt would wait until an informer gave a strong tip off of where he'd be, then you'd try to kill him by bombing him with missiles from a Drone unit. Which is pretty much exactly what happened.

 

 

That's seems pretty clear, if that is not what you'd do then by all mean elucidate.

 

It's quiet now, and you've had several days to try and think of an answer.

 

I'd put on a fake beard, tache and glasses and pretend to be reading a newspaper.....

 

....then I'd drop a nuke.

 

What would you do?

[Fop 1]

Nah, i normally go home for lunch but its too hot to move down here so I decided to read one of your threads.

 

Im not convinced my decision was correct.

 

Not Fop's thread.

 

It might not have started as your thread, but you're welcome to the fucker.

 

 

 

I'll come back to this later, when it's quiet.

 

Let's aim for at least another 6 pages of circular arguments around my view which has been clear from page one. Other posters and lurkers love it.

 

 

Fop just want to know if that is what you are saying.

 

 

As what you seem to be saying is Maj General Holt would wait until an informer gave a strong tip off of where he'd be, then you'd try to kill him by bombing him with missiles from a Drone unit. Which is pretty much exactly what happened.

 

 

That's seems pretty clear, if that is not what you'd do then by all mean elucidate.

 

It's quiet now, and you've had several days to try and think of an answer.

 

I'd put on a fake beard, tache and glasses and pretend to be reading a newspaper.....

 

....then I'd drop a nuke.

 

What would you do?

 

So basically you are saying you would wait until an informer gave a strong tip off of where he'd be, then you'd try to kill him by bombing him with missiles from a Drone unit.

[Happy Face 29]

Nah, i normally go home for lunch but its too hot to move down here so I decided to read one of your threads.

 

Im not convinced my decision was correct.

 

Not Fop's thread.

 

It might not have started as your thread, but you're welcome to the fucker.

 

 

 

I'll come back to this later, when it's quiet.

 

Let's aim for at least another 6 pages of circular arguments around my view which has been clear from page one. Other posters and lurkers love it.

 

 

Fop just want to know if that is what you are saying.

 

 

As what you seem to be saying is Maj General Holt would wait until an informer gave a strong tip off of where he'd be, then you'd try to kill him by bombing him with missiles from a Drone unit. Which is pretty much exactly what happened.

 

 

That's seems pretty clear, if that is not what you'd do then by all mean elucidate.

 

It's quiet now, and you've had several days to try and think of an answer.

 

I'd put on a fake beard, tache and glasses and pretend to be reading a newspaper.....

 

....then I'd drop a nuke.

 

What would you do?

 

So basically you are saying you would wait until an informer gave a strong tip off of where he'd be, then you'd try to kill him by bombing him with missiles from a Drone unit.

 

No.

 

It's been clear from post 1 I don't agree with bombing civillians where there's no threat. If the surveillence available can't keep a tab on them, so be it.

 

You've still not clarified your position.

[Fop 1]

Nah, i normally go home for lunch but its too hot to move down here so I decided to read one of your threads.

 

Im not convinced my decision was correct.

 

Not Fop's thread.

 

It might not have started as your thread, but you're welcome to the fucker.

 

 

 

I'll come back to this later, when it's quiet.

 

Let's aim for at least another 6 pages of circular arguments around my view which has been clear from page one. Other posters and lurkers love it.

 

 

Fop just want to know if that is what you are saying.

 

 

As what you seem to be saying is Maj General Holt would wait until an informer gave a strong tip off of where he'd be, then you'd try to kill him by bombing him with missiles from a Drone unit. Which is pretty much exactly what happened.

 

 

That's seems pretty clear, if that is not what you'd do then by all mean elucidate.

 

It's quiet now, and you've had several days to try and think of an answer.

 

I'd put on a fake beard, tache and glasses and pretend to be reading a newspaper.....

 

....then I'd drop a nuke.

 

What would you do?

 

So basically you are saying you would wait until an informer gave a strong tip off of where he'd be, then you'd try to kill him by bombing him with missiles from a Drone unit.

 

No.

 

It's been clear from post 1 I don't agree with bombing civillians where there's no threat. If the surveillence available can't keep a tab on them, so be it.

 

You've still not clarified your position.

 

 

Again clearly you do support just that.

 

You can't just say something shouldn't be done, but then the only suggestion you can come up with to deal with the situation is to do exactly what you just said shouldn't be done.

 

Clearly you realise this and that your position is therefore utterly ridiculous.

[Happy Face 29]

Nah, i normally go home for lunch but its too hot to move down here so I decided to read one of your threads.

 

Im not convinced my decision was correct.

 

Not Fop's thread.

 

It might not have started as your thread, but you're welcome to the fucker.

 

 

 

I'll come back to this later, when it's quiet.

 

Let's aim for at least another 6 pages of circular arguments around my view which has been clear from page one. Other posters and lurkers love it.

 

 

Fop just want to know if that is what you are saying.

 

 

As what you seem to be saying is Maj General Holt would wait until an informer gave a strong tip off of where he'd be, then you'd try to kill him by bombing him with missiles from a Drone unit. Which is pretty much exactly what happened.

 

 

That's seems pretty clear, if that is not what you'd do then by all mean elucidate.

 

It's quiet now, and you've had several days to try and think of an answer.

 

I'd put on a fake beard, tache and glasses and pretend to be reading a newspaper.....

 

....then I'd drop a nuke.

 

What would you do?

 

So basically you are saying you would wait until an informer gave a strong tip off of where he'd be, then you'd try to kill him by bombing him with missiles from a Drone unit.

 

No.

 

It's been clear from post 1 I don't agree with bombing civillians where there's no threat. If the surveillence available can't keep a tab on them, so be it.

 

You've still not clarified your position.

 

 

Again clearly you do support just that.

 

You can't just say something shouldn't be done, but then the only suggestion you can come up with to deal with the situation is to do exactly what you just said shouldn't be done.

 

Clearly you realise this and that your position is therefore utterly ridiculous.

 

 

"I don't agree with bombing civillians where there's no threat. If the surveillence available can't keep a tab on them, so be it."

 

I don't see how I can be more clear.

 

Now....

 

How about you?

 

Howabout your good self?

 

 

WHAT WOULD YOU DO FOP!!! FOR GOD'S SAKE! WHAT WOULD YOU DO?? THE CLOCK IS TICKING!!

 

I know you won't say, but that's ok petal. I couldn't give a fuck.

 

What would you do?

 

You've still not clarified your position.

 

I'm guessing you agree with me 100%....as usual.

[Fop 1]

 

 

Again clearly you do support just that.

 

You can't just say something shouldn't be done, but then the only suggestion you can come up with to deal with the situation is to do exactly what you just said shouldn't be done.

 

Clearly you realise this and that your position is therefore utterly ridiculous.

 

 

"I don't agree with bombing civillians where there's no threat. If the surveillence available can't keep a tab on them, so be it."

 

I don't see how I can be more clear.

 

 

Clearly you do, as we've seen.

 

 

The only thing YOU , Maj General Holt, can suggest to do in the same situation is wait until an informer gave a strong tip off of where he'd be, then you'd try to kill him by bombing him with missiles from a Drone unit.

 

You said that not Fop, it's your solution not Fop's. Which makes your entire position in this thread utterly ridiculous.