Rayvin

Does anyone reckon the Tories might just be right? Save yourself the heartache, fuck everyone else and worry about yourself only? I mean idk what the point in anything else is now.

It's a decade of Tory rule, either way. I'm amazed this isn't obvious tbh. The schism is going to end Labour for a generation, no matter who wins it.

Ok so we're at roughly 1.4m remain voters more than leave. I feel like it's worth people making a fuss about that in some form, try to pressure Johnson to get a less mental deal. Unlikely but worth trying.

I really think youth turnout will plummet after this one. Done everything they should have and were still let down. Why bother.

They could have removed Johnson and set up a GNU. Admittedly Corbyn would have needed to fuck off to bring the rebel Tories on side, but on balance I think it would have been the best outcome. Agree with the point on Labour but they aren't going to pick a centrist. I keep thinking Yvette Cooper would be the one to go for if we could, but it isn't going to happen. Already the Blairites and Corbynites are turning on each other. They'll split, I'm almost certain. Agree on the last point too, it's almost certainly what will happen. Though technically that space has been available for 4 years now and the Tories haven't stepped into it so far.

Aye but Strugeon knows Scotland is gone now. This isnt just a mandate for another referendum, its a 'come and get me' from the voters. At which point, incidentally, you will need a centrist Labour Party. Although to win power, that party will end up looking more like Cameron's Tories.

I couldn't sleep in the end. Found it cathartic to watch. I think there's enough of an argument about Brexit to give Momentum a viable case to retain control of Labour. They will think they can win this without Brexit. And they're quite possibly right. I'd be really interested to see good evidence of Labour failing simply because they were too left wing. Their policies polled well, even Watson has admitted that. Corbyn has been a liability for sure but again, no centrist was winning this fight from the position Labour was in. How could anyone solve the leave/remain split within the party? It's a shame but the actual vote tallies make me more forgiving of the result. We got played in the end. Never should have agreed to the election.

I think the Lib Dems might be finished as a political party... 8 seats (so far), albeit on 3m votes. Not good.

It honestly looks to me like the Brexit Party have hurt Labour more than the Tories, no matter what the guardian thinks. Labour are 7% down on vote share, losing out 3.5% to LDs, and 2.1% to Brexit Party. The latter damage was coming no matter who was in charge.

And there it is. Tory majority and 5 years of Boris Johnson.

Im aware I'm now talking to myself but its now 1.7m. Tbf though I assume that basically all of the remaining seats must be safe Tory ones, so the Remain numbers will fall significantly I guess. We lost Kensington because the LDs split the vote btw.

Remain now 1.5m ahead. This is the story as far as I'm concerned. The fucking useless remain parties failing to get any coherence together and criminally failing their voters. They should have sucked it up before agreeing an election and killed off Brexit with a GNU.

Honestly i'd be surprised if that exit poll turns out to be right. 150 seats to declare and Labour are on 172. So it's assuming that they only get 19 from the remaining 150. It's possible I guess, idk what the constituencies are, but i think they'll break 200. Edit - Tories take back Kensington.

Remain now over 1m votes ahead. I don't think much of this has a lot to do with Corbyn.. we've been shafted by the system.

That Remain voting pattern is holding up. Unless a large Tory swell comes in here, we're going to see a huge Brexit majority delivered against an overall majority share of the popular vote for Remain. I don't see how anyone could have won this in a GE. The problem is that the issue everyone's arguing about wasn't originally agreed by FPTP constituency voting, it was done by an overall majority. And the campaign Remain has fought has been largely on the assumption that most people want back in. Which seems true but they're not in the right areas. Which has ultimately shafted Labour. That doesn't make Corbyn a good leader, and it doesn't mean a centrist Remainer leading Labour couldn't have pulled over a few Tories. But it would have been an uphill fight to a very probably similar outcome IMO.

Swinson gone. Boris safe.

Mm, Corbyn was inevitable after this. Sounds like there'll be a transitioned departure though. Which means Momentum are staying in control. I'm gonna add here that the combined vote tally of the SNP, Labour and LDs is 750k up on the Tories. Brexit Party cancelled out by Greens and Plaid. If that pattern continues then we should be loud about it come the end.

And Raab has held his seat. Because of course. Lib Dems have had a shocker too tbh.

They aren't alone tbf to them. Overall vote share so far, Remain parties still ahead. It's a meaningless and slim comfort, but I'll take it. Labour's vote share is decent so far, should go up when London gets involved properly too.

Tories starting to gain the stupid little towns in the northwest. That's where we've lost this it seems. And Wales.

That said, the guardian seems to think Farage's overall impact has helped Labour so maybe I'm wrong. If it has, then we're back to Corbyn being the main issue. I think. Although again, hell of a jump from Labour to Tory just for Corbyn. Plenty of less radical options.

Kind of missing the point there. No other Labour leader could have bridged that gap. That's why as I said earlier, the schism is opening up in Labour between leave and remain. If it was just about Corbyn, why are they voting Brexit Party? Why not LD, or Green? The only reason anyone votes Brexit Party is for Brexit. So any of those votes, no centrist Labour leader could have won. Not Blair, not anyone. Not without moving to a position that tears the remain wing out of Labour. On Brexit they were completely fucked it seems.

Also looks like Farage was right. He's hurt Labour far more than the Tories. Not really sure that one is Corbyn's fault tbh.

You know, looking at this, I'm not sure the North East is going to be hugely to blame here. We're mostly coming up Labour.

Right there with you, believe it or not.