Rayvin

That's a direct message rather than on the server tbf, but I added you now so it should work

Madrid man.... its like they want the world to hate them. Always comes off as a club run by people with the emotional state of teenagers.

Aye but they might consider on this occasion that getting rid of Lineker is the lesser of two evils

Honest answer to that is my anxiety limits my sleep anyway. I get 4-5 hours a night normally. I'll die young.

I know what that's like. Wake up, get a push notification from the BBC about something that I'm vaguely outraged by and immediately throw it at TT before hitting snooze. This is modern life

Yeah I caved, loving it so far. I never thought I'd get to play Oblivion again since it was stuck on older consoles but they've done a fantastic job bringing it up to speed.

It's exactly that yes, but it's so depressing that they can't just take one for the team on it. I'm moderate left wing and even just having a moderate left wing party that I could vote for without it being a life or death, do or die situation of pressure to vote for Labour every single time then I genuinely believe I would be more at peace with the UK and the political situation within it. What has annoyed me more than anything is what Labour would use my vote as a mandate for. I don't agree with so much of it, why are they the only ones I can vote without enabling fascism. That's what boils my head at this point. Last time out I didn't vote Labour (but was in Scotland so didn't matter much), but said that I would if they offered PR. I stand by that. I'm close to saying I would vote in fucking Farage if he offered PR.

Absolutely, we've been calling for PR for years now and it's incredible that it still doesn't get the attention it deserves outside of fking Farage. Labour members lobbied for it but Starmer ignored them unfortunately. Having said that, I'm not sure it would protect us from a Reform/Tory coalition anyway, but it's still the right direction to move in. Labour's broad church argument only works for as long as left leaning people put up with them moving right, and you'd have to imagine that this can't hold up.

Agreed. And on that note... Badenoch refuses to criticise Jenrick over Reform coalition suggestion. That'll do it, I would think. Reform gets legitimacy, Tories get vote share.

I've changed my mind on engaging in this further, just forget I said anything.

I have a view that is entirely open to change on the basis of actual evidence. That's my default position on everything, and it should be yours.

For what its worth your cubicle thing would be an easy sell for me. Its expensive though and there's only a few trans lives on the line, so it won't happen.

We have statistics that say trans women suffer violence from cis men at a rate 4 times higher than cis women do. We don't have anything on bathrooms that I can see, though I did find a reddit thread asking trans people this exact thing and them all replying that men's rooms were less safe/they'd been attacked/they don't bother to use public restrooms anymore full stop because they're not welcome anywhere. The difference is that we have been monitoring trans women in women's bathrooms for violence and have found nothing. For a decade, in Ireland's case. We haven't been monitoring trans women in men's bathrooms, presumably because they weren't using them if they passed as women. As a separate thing, apparently the high court ruling said that as well as trans women not being allowed in women's bathrooms, trans men aren't either So neither trans men or women have any guaranteed right to the use of public toilets as we stand, because both cis genders can ban them from their own. Come on man, this shit is indefensible. This is second class citizen levels of erasure.

What about the actual lack of safety that trans women will now face in men's bathrooms, as opposed to the fictional lack of safety that cis-women had in theirs? Less important than people's feelings? People feel also afraid that white people are being replaced, that Muslims are trying to stealth conquer the UK, that the government is run by paedophiles, that lizard people walk amongst us, chemtrails, vaccines, 5G, and so on. We aren't reacting to any of those because there is no evidence of them being true. Same as trans women attacking cis women in bathrooms has no evidence. It is instead an issue that has been politicised by the right because it intensifies their support in their base. Meanwhile it is kryptonite to someone like Starmer who is trying to seduce right wingers and assuming he can hold onto the left just because we're all afraid of the right. Starmer does not fucking care about this issue either way, I guarantee it. His statement is a decision to generate political capital at the expense of a vulnerable group in society. That's all it is. And it is pathetic. We are now being led not by evidence, not by reality, but by blind fucking fear. It will not stop here.

Everything we feared.

I am incredibly angry about this so forgive me for screaming into the void, I may revisit some of this in days to come but honestly... what hope is there? Seriously, we can't win even when we win. When do we get someone with the fucking backbone required to lead, instead of being thrown around like a leaf in a hurricane.

I want to be clear that I in no way judge or am critical of anyone in here for whatever views they have on this issue, or on wanting to find nuance. I am done though. I have been basically done with Starmer since the EU U-turn and he just keeps failing, over and over and over. He is now rivalling Farage in my eyes as he puts the same effort into wooing reform voters, and has the same disdain for urban Labour voters. Brace yourselves for chlorochicken, hatespeech, and a crackdown on schemes to support minorities, because they're all part of the trade deal demand too. The US also wants us to revisit the abortion debate, and while I cant quite believe that would happen yet, I am going to be really, really fucking interested in who the TERFs are turning to for support if it does.

If the frog boils quickly, it might realise it's dying. Although I really meant that I'm not going to worry about them winning when it next comes to vote. We're a long way from my fucking principles anyway now.

I just keep thinking back to how I was assured that if I just gave ground, if I stopped calling out Starmer's U-turns and Labour's inability to stand up for anything at all, it would all be ok. We'd reach power and then everything would be better. And now I feel like a prize fucking idiot because I knew it would be like this, and yet tried to convince myself otherwise. It's this, disability cuts, Brexit revisionism, weakness with Trump, weakness with everything. Constant pandering to people who aren't even listening, and don't represent this party's views. This is exactly what I feared from this version of Labour. All I have learned in the past few years is that if you give any ground at all, the slimy fucking toads will use it to take whatever they can. They deserve to be completely abandoned by the left and progressives, and I will be selling that to anyone who will listen. Bring on Reform, at least it's an enemy that isn't pretending to be something else.

This would be what we might call a slippery slope. A thin end of the wedge. "First they came for the trans people, but I said nothing, for I was not trans.." etc. https://www.advocate.com/politics/us-uk-trade-deal-lgbtq I'm sure it's just coincidence that the Trump administration is calling for hate speech laws against LGBTQ people to be dropped if we want this trade deal.

I always expect people to stick to their principles, all the supreme court has done is set the situation out per the law, which is fair but if we change the law tomorrow then they'd update their ruling to reflect that. He can't hide behind them because he actually has the power to change the legals around this. And beyond that, in all honesty did anyone expect me not to attack him over it? He's a flip flopper on basically every single issue.

Bethesda have re-released Oblivion But like, digitally remastered. It actually looks good. They both announced and released it today. That'll be them set for another decade.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crldey0z00ro Trans women are not women, says Keir Starmer, who is now in disagreement with the 2022 version of himself - this would be why we need to make a fuss on this, we're going backwards in time on these people's rights, and we're doing it with little to no evidence of any need.

It's literally this

"discovered" These people really have no fucking clue whatsoever what the scientific process is or who would be capable of making any such discoveries. It sure as hell wouldn't ever be career politicians.