McFaul

Back on topic, Leeds was a proper proper intimidating place to go in the early 90s, atmosphere always seemed immense. Who knows what would've happened if they'd beaten Rangers in 1992.

I had to go to Seaburn recently and the toon were playing Liverpool, and there's a bookies next to the social club. I went to buy a new bike off this bloke saved £300. Anyway being a mug I went in the bookies and in big letters NEWCASTLE TO WIN 11/2. The bloke behind the counter was talking to his mate, didn't even look at me "I hate puttin thease on, it mayuks mea speet! Orrible maggy coonts. Ewur area managers a mag e's a coont too I 'ate them" I'm stood there and he's completely ignored me. Apart from a "Chea-urz". Absolute smallsville that place.

He's on the wagon according to latest reports.

I think, and this is honest having worked there, actual mackems, not people with mackem accents from Peaterlee, Washington, County Derrum etc... peapul from Sunderland town, are brought up to HATE Newcastle and everything about it. Whereas I don't think it was a concious effort from my dad and uncles but with us it's more like we're brought up to laugh at Sunderland and mackems rather than hate. That's why they're happy as long as they're above us imo.

They've won 3 FA Cups in the last 10 years too, up to 1997 you could draw a comparison with them I agree though. You'll be well aware that the DFB-Pokal doesn't have one-hundredth of the history and prestige of the FA Cup (even in its current diluted form) though. But aye, if we're going by pure silverware I suppose it has to count. Thery like to throw a title away too I suppose.

They've won 3 FA Cups in the last 10 years too, up to 1997 you could draw a comparison with them I agree though.

Its just an estimate this £88m isnt it and it doesnt include the money generated from player sales either i guess? It gets us back to where we were in 08/09 anyway, when our costs were incidentally £98m. Wages, as i've explained many times are based on long term contracts, most of the wage bill in 08/09 was already in place in 07. The financial performance of NUFC in 08/09 has less to do with Ashley and more to do with the previous board. To your point, they were running a budget deficit of Greek proportions. Now we are back to where we were in 08/09 but without the £98m cost base. Soz like Stevie, thats not financial mis-management. To answer where the decreases and poor performace has come from, its corporate boxes, matchday sponsor prices, deflated advertising market and a low value proposition for potential commercial customers. Mixture of the impact of the recession on the local economy and the decrease in revenue from less sponsors / corporate spending from relegation. Also having an arsehole owner turns off rich fans as well as normal ones. Catering outsourcing has taken a few million off too. Yes there's a recession on, so how does that explain us being far far far far away from Everton, Villa and Sunderland yet they've all caught us? The recession is not exclusive to Newcastle There's a lot more to it than a few cunts are on the dole and have chucked their boxes in. In terms of income we are vastly underachieving. I think having been to Asia we did capture that market under FFS, you'd be astonished how many had our shirt. In fact I remember when Gullit was here he said he couldn't believe no matter where you went in the world there was a toon shirt, that was good marketing. Our marketing barely exists now.

That's a cheek that, the bit in bold. In every aspect we absolutely piss it, the size of a club purely for me is defined by its true fanbase, we absolutely piss it, to deny that is deluded. I can't even imagine Newcastle getting league gates of 18 and 19,000 these days. Despite the myths we rarely did before football was cool and funky never mind now. More league titles, more FA Cups, older, more famous nationally, a bigger name, bigger history, older by 30 years. Outside of the big 6 even in modern football there's no doubt who the biggest club is outside the big 3 clubs, the two artifically supported clubs and Tottenham. Everton, Villa and Leeds wouldn't get 50000 if they were competing for the title and had room, we were getting it some weeks in the Championship, that's why I think it's a cheek that anyone can draw a comparison between Newcastle - Leeds/Villa/Everton/West Ham etc.. it's a cheek and a joke and that's despite of Mike Ashley too, and deep down you all know the truth. None of you could dream of our fanbase, we are a freak club in European football, comparing success with fanbase, there's not an adequate comparison anywhere, and I challenge you to prove that statement is deluded. If you cared to read the thread, he breached the subject of club size not me.

Aye L7 as I said they've altered it, I think it's £300 for an adult and wain in L7, the rest of the ground remains the same.

I'll have a go right: Sorensen - who was never that good Venison - who was a kid, but a good kid Gray - who was shit, but their best left back Ball - fuckin snookered by anyone quick Bennett - relegated twice with them say nee more Hutchison - did well for Sunderland Sessegnon - canny play imo Armstrong - biggest scumbag of the lot, Cruddas Park born n bred Downing - played aboot 12 games on loan Gabbiadini - imo he was more prolific and better for Sunderland than Quinn - a flop when he left though Sewpa Kev - brilliant fox in the box but would he be in our top 10 strikers of the last 30 years, possibly but he'd be 9th or 10th and he's their best Absolutely shite isn't it? Where's their Beardsley? Paul Kitson would probably get a place on that bench.

10% max imo. I'm on the 10 year deal in the Leazes and it's £504.

Noticed they've got threads up there calling for a stand to be named after Quinn and for a statue to be erected in his honour. Bit over the top if you ask me. In all honesty who else could they build a statue for? From 1973 to the present day, Sewpa Kev is probably their biggest success story, not even taking the piss. I made the point to a mackem the other week that Sessegnon (purely in my view) is their best player in living memory. If you go back 1980 to now, picking Sunderland's best team over the last 32 years, you'd end up with a fucking average side. Try it.

I agree to an extent but I'd also point out that before it went a bit iffy 2005-2007 we had 41k ST holders paying 450-650 (not counting posh seats) and now we have at a guess 35k paying 250-450. That's a bit of a difference. Of course you can't "praise" the fat cunt for oiffering good ST deals at the same time as whinging about lowere revenues. It should also go without saying that from a cotporate and sponshorhip pov comparing business confidence/liquidity in 2004 with 2012 is a bit daft. I agree completely with you about the underlying attitude but I don't think it's as simple as getting a Fletcher in and everything being better within months. Aye I'm not like Leazes where my support of FFS regime is without reservation, from appointing Souness the disaster began in every way, accelerated by these clueless clowns. Mate, I'm in the Leazes and I wish my ticket cost £450, the East Stand is STILL nearer £700, and Platinum £900. Level 7 is the only place with cheap tickets for families, and young 16 to 21 year old kids.

That's a cheek that, the bit in bold. In every aspect we absolutely piss it, the size of a club purely for me is defined by its true fanbase, we absolutely piss it, to deny that is deluded. I can't even imagine Newcastle getting league gates of 18 and 19,000 these days. Despite the myths we rarely did before football was cool and funky never mind now. More league titles, more FA Cups, older, more famous nationally, a bigger name, bigger history, older by 30 years. Outside of the big 6 even in modern football there's no doubt who the biggest club is outside the big 3 clubs, the two artifically supported clubs and Tottenham. Everton, Villa and Leeds wouldn't get 50000 if they were competing for the title and had room, we were getting it some weeks in the Championship, that's why I think it's a cheek that anyone can draw a comparison between Newcastle - Leeds/Villa/Everton/West Ham etc.. it's a cheek and a joke and that's despite of Mike Ashley too, and deep down you all know the truth. None of you could dream of our fanbase, we are a freak club in European football, comparing success with fanbase, there's not an adequate comparison anywhere, and I challenge you to prove that statement is deluded.

Some sad cunt will point out that's a stupid comparison. Our revenue based on a year in the CL was £90.8m but Spurs revenue was £162m. Seems like Levy was able to make £71.2m more out of a season in the CL than Shepherd was, as if that frames the discussion. All this shows is that relegation sets you back financially and being an arsehole owner pisses off your customers. I don't really think that's been a doubt in anyone's mind. I agree with Baggio that we will push £100m this year, Europe would have us taking that up another £10m if we manage it. We were back in the Premiership averaging 48,000 people for 2010/2011, so financially what changed between the relegation season and last season? Relegation sets you back financially is an ambiguous statement, I'd like to know what the difference was in terms of revenue streams between 09 and 11. For starters our turnover was almost stagnant, this despite every club in the Premiership having a huge additional cash injection compared to previous seasons via the new TV deal. So quite obviously our commercial activity is nothing short of a joke, particularly compared to Tottenham. Do you think Shepherd would settle for the pittance these clowns are settling for in terms of advertisement, shirt deals and club sponsors? As for your point about the £162m Tottenham turnover in comparison to the £90m Shepherd got in 2004, again that is null and void because in real terms European football got richer. In 2004 we were the 10th richest club in Europe, in 2012 Tottenham are only the 11th richest club in Europe, revenue streams have went up with inflation, and we because of CHRONIC mismanagement have completely missed the boat since 2007. They are devaluing the club, under Shepherd for a variety of reasons we were a blue chip club. adidas saw what we were become under Ashley, and wanted nothing more to do with us because we are ran like a corner shop. Newcastle were a 50-70% bigger business than Villa, Everton and Sunderland under the previous regime, we're within £7m of all of them now. It's chronic mismanagement of a business but it's alright because we're making a profit eh? The more money you rake in the bigger playing fields you can operate on, but this is almost a side issue to these clowns. It's fucking ridiculous a club like Newcastle have fans who every summer are worried their best players will be sold. We hardly EVER felt like that under Shepherd, we'd look at clubs like Everton and Villa thinking, aye he'd dee, and him, aye him as well, even Steven Carr came to Newcastle because he "wanted to play for a big club", his words not mine. We're ran like a corner shop man. In fact I challenge you to find me a club in the world bigger than say Blackburn who have financially stagnated purely in terms of income more than Newcastle have 2004-2011. We're devalued, we don't have a commercial department hardly, we don't have people building proper ties around the world with organisations like the likes of Everton even have, we're a joke and it's squarely down to Del Boy and fatty continuing to be completely unaware of the potential of the club, and completely unaware how to progress a football club so they can achieve their potential.

Of course I know what zenith means you senile divvy, but I speed read your posts because they're generally so predictable and shit, only your support of Keegan was unpredictable, so much in the Ashley camp you are.

I think LM was more concerned with the Keegan input than the difference between the FFS era and Ashley. Why mention Keegan, why not Fat Sam? The fact is the back end of 07/08 was the best football we played between 2004 and 2011, that's a fact, anyone who disputes it hasn't been to games. That Tottenham 1-4 game was the best we played away from home since 2001.

Take out the first Keegan tenure (which was our real zenith, steadily downhill since then) our average "finish" was 9.4th, that still good enough for 5th best ??? Mate you wouldn't say that in most pubs because people would hit you. Fuckin what an arsehole. C U N T Either a mackem or a cunt, 50/50 either way.

Happy Birthday Brummiemag I've heard from various sources you're a canny bloke in person, and one of lifes biggest Ashley haters. Right up my strasse.

Big difference between a gap of £16m and a gap of £74m. We haven't even got a proper commercial department anymore. I guarantee if Freddie Fletcher (not FFS) was brought in to NUFC and allowed to run the business side, our turnover would be over £120m. They're clueless arseholes, for a clubs turnover to go down from 8 years ago is chronic mismanagement at the highest level.

The obvious difference is that that figure includes Spurs run in the Champions League which made a huge difference to their income, the year before they brought in £119m. I think with our predicted league finish this year plus the Virgin deal we will clear £100 million comfortably, then if we get Europe too that will be another income boost for the following year. Have you got the figures from the 2006/07 season for both teams, which was Shepherds last season? Nope the CL revenue was worth £15m the major difference was the increase in the Sky deal. Tottenham £93.1m (Levy) Newcastle £87.1m (FFS)

Like I say I've always been impressed by Newcastle's support, way better than the overrated Liverpool who the press always talk up. There's a lot of comparisons to be drawn between Leeds and Newcastle. I miss the days when we were both competing for Champions League football. Hope I live to see that again! I miss the days when we were top 3 in Division 2 with you and Sheff Utd, beating you 5-2 opening day, we didn't have as many clueless fuckwit old doilums supporting us and new age fanboys in those days.

Why couldn't they do it under Sugar then?!? The similarities are obvious. Levy is progressive in every aspect of how he does his job, Sugar ran it purely as a static business, like these are now. Levy takes the club forward, he has plans, look at their new stadium plans, what are our fucking plans, buy cheap sell big and see how it goes. There's no grand plan to increase turnover or get in to the top four, then plan is to make it a profit making business for his benefit, our success is almost inconsequential. Are you such an old fuckwit you can't see that?

I think what your support needs to do is get your gates within say 10,000 of what ours were in the CCC (44,000) then perhaps Ken would invest more in the team. You can't expect Bates to spend millions on gates of 19-21,000 mate, and that's why I take issue with anyone who says Leeds are a big club. They're not and never were, because you don't have the local support of a Man Utd, Newcastle or even Sunderland. Bates has the money, he just gives nothing to the manager, instead ploughing it into a "new look" East Stand. So some of our fans feel that there's no point lining his pockets if he doesn't even use the money to build a team. When (or if) we go back up our attendances will skyrocket. We're the 3rd biggest city in England with one football club. I understand that your attendances were outstanding in your season in the Championship but would they have dwindled if you'd spent as long away from the Premiership as we have, or if you weren't nailed on to win automatic promotion? Not questioning how great Newcastle's support is because I'd actually argue it's the best in the country, but the fact is, every football club has part time fans who are only interested in "their team" when the times are good. It's no co-incidence that when we got promoted the other year against Bristol Rovers there were more people at Elland Road than usual, and people on my Facebook who I didn't even know were into football were acting like it was the best day of their lives. We were always going to come back up, but I'd say our hardcore is probably now 35,000 we wouldn't have went below that even after a few seasons and imo only Man Utd can better than that in terms of a hardcore. Having said all of that, it's always a good atmosphere against Leeds, for some reason regardless what division we're in or what we're doing Leeds always get one of their biggest three crowds of any season against us, and vice versa. Leeds v Newcastle is a proper game, rather than say Birmingham v Wolves etc...

We're definitely a bigger club than Man City, I'll give him that. Man City and Leeds are about the same size in real terms.