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As opposed to all the daft cunts who voted Tory Oh, and Alex of course. Most sensible people realised that the pain was coming whoever got in. The sooner the pain starts, the sooner it's over. You of all people getting a new business up and running should want this period over, sooner rather than later.

The next election campaign has already started. This is all about image and positioning now so that each of them can use this period to their best advantage. Labours fucked cos they will get the blame off the Tories and the libs for all the pain that is about to come. And if the libs are nit careful, they will get the blame for triggering a quick general election. Happy Days, eh.

it's only just getting started Alex. Wait til a deal is done and the real slanting matches start.

As usual, the Tories have to put the country right after once again being left by Labour broke, spent up and over shadowed by strikes. It's just what happens.

The lib dems have no real say and they know it. If they prop up a discredited brown / labour government they will be hated by the electorate. They will do exactly as Prime Minister Cameron tells them.

If at first you don't succeed......

Prime Minister Cameron Chancellor Osbourne Foreign Secretary Hague and Ken Clarke...... God it sounds good! The boys are back I'm town, the boys are back in town....

Cameron will be PM by Monday.

Cameron and Clegg getting together tonight to negotiate (bbc).

Like the way the toontastic election poll has just increased to 6 votes for the Torys. Camerons speech winning over the masses already

36% of the country think Ashley is the messiah? Just remembered the journal said we would have had Ashley statement by today.

It means the country needs this vaccum sorted out quickly rather than weeks of petty squabbling.

It's amazing two people of the same species can disagree so much. It was awful man. I can only put that down to your youth, ignorance and general lack of life experiences. I'm sure in a few years when you start shaving, have a child or two, a few jobs, a few houses, live through a few recessions, you will eventually see the world is a big complex place with lots of different opinions. You will probably also see that sometimes the torys are good for the uk and sometimes labour.

Mandys finished.

Camerons speech.... Quite simply brilliant. He is the man, the stability the change. Simply brilliant.

Brown to speak soon. If he goes, will that mean to non elected prime ministers in a row? Wish I was at home with the TV on.

Phil, where have you been? All labour politicians have been going on about for the last 12 hours is how theyare now in favour of PR!!! Clinging to the piggy trough.

I remember after 83 and 87 there was a real sense that Labour could never win a majority again and they started to discuss PR with the obvious problem that it needs the winners to actually consider it first. I think since then because they've won power they've rediscovered faith in the current system and being honest I think the last few elections at least have produced results which reflected the mood of the country (with a few niggles). This one for example shows an appetite for something new but not enough of that to produce a Tory government. The result is the result tho and is probably right. The lib dems havent really changed, people in England are sick of Labour but the tories still have too much bad will to be fully trusted.

If you really believe that you should support the Lib Dems. Sounds like wooly bullshit to me like, but that's not to say we couldn't develop some form of PR that works well, other countries manage it. PR has many benefits. Every vote counts so parliament actually reflects public opinion, for as long as I can remember we’ve been governed by a party the majority of the country didn’t vote for. Under FPTP the views of people who live in marginal seats carry a grossly disproportionate weight, which is wrong whichever way you look at it. PR would also protects us from obviously bad or extreme policy getting pushed through parliament, and it provides a proper mechanism for getting on with things when the national vote is split three ways like we have now. Well said. However it must have many down sides since no-one Labour or Tory have brought it in. I'll have to find a nice unbiassed source to read up on it. Election historian on the BBC just saying he's against it. Suggested you need this kind of result twice in a row to say it's failed...which has never happened. Also leads to a lot of smaller parties with more MPs causing congestion in the commons. My knowledge on it which is very limited, just thinks it would give us more situations like this where politicians get the final say of the make up of the government. I would also hate it lead to a situation where one party or one lib lab pact is always in power. I hate the fact that in South Tyneside we always have a Labour council. Bad things happen when power is one sided. (not saying a conservative council would be better, just that the councillors are more wary of their decisions if they know they can be put out of a job)

The difference between the Tories and Labour now is that what Mandelson and Brown say pretty much goes. The Tory leader however (even Thatcher found this) is much more under the control of the 1922 committee and other backroom bigwigs - it'll be they who are deciding Cameron's deal imo. Oh aye, the Tory campaign has been all about Cameron and no-one else..on the basis that the rest of them are a bunch of bumbling bastards. This is the sort of bias claptrap that gives us shit politicians. It has been a presidential style campaign from all three.

The difference between the Tories and Labour now is that what Mandelson and Brown say pretty much goes. The Tory leader however (even Thatcher found this) is much more under the control of the 1922 committee and other backroom bigwigs - it'll be they who are deciding Cameron's deal imo. Time will tell, as it always does, but I think you are all mis-judging Cameron. I think he's very principilled and have seen nothing to counter that argument. We'll see tho.

He'll be gone before supper time

Osbournes life in politics will be short lived. Of that I have no doubt. Dave's mate though isn't he? Now I know I have an anti-Tory stance, but Osbourne really doesn't install me with confidence when it comes to the economy, bit of a bumbler. With a bit of luck they'll let vincy in. Seriously, what planet are you on CT? You can really see Cameron replacing his mate Osbourne with Vince Cable in a coalition? Ain't going to happen. one where the torys are the best vote for a taxi driver says it all Precisely what does that say then.....

Lockers being topped up nicely overnight tho

If you really believe that you should support the Lib Dems. Sounds like wooly bullshit to me like, but that's not to say we couldn't develop some form of PR that works well, other countries manage it. PR has many benefits. Every vote counts so parliament actually reflects public opinion, for as long as I can remember we’ve been governed by a party the majority of the country didn’t vote for. Under FPTP the views of people who live in marginal seats carry a grossly disproportionate weight, which is wrong whichever way you look at it. PR would also protects us from obviously bad or extreme policy getting pushed through parliament, and it provides a proper mechanism for getting on with things when the national vote is split three ways like we have now. Well said. However it must have many down sides since no-one Labour or Tory have brought it in. I'll have to find a nice unbiassed source to read up on it.