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Dyed in the wool Tory but there to be persuaded by a.n. other. Not going to be Clegg or Brown though this time but if I had to I would lean more towards the Lib Dems after last night. Any government thats had 13 years has used all the best people and is usually corrupt and exhausted. And its pure turn off stuff when they say we hate such and such and we are going to change it next year. You've had 13 years to get rid of tory peers you fuckers. Theres just something about Clegg, something Jim Caryish?????

But the same floaters who gave Clegg the lead on the show, still voted Lib Dems third when asked who they would vote for in a general election. I sometimes wonder who these floaters actually are? The people who make governments are the people change from Labour to Conservative and then back again. Some of these so called floaters just seem like total clueless tossers. With regard to Clegg, I liked his "freshness" at first but then started to find him irritating. More importantly he overused the "lets all get together and form a decision card". This just left me feeling that he actually had no ideas himself. But would I vote Lib Dem, no. Still dont think they have anymore than 3 or 4 really good politicians. Its like that Nigel Ferrero Rocher from UKIP. He always talks very well and makes some very sensible points on UKIP but you know theres no-one behind him.

He made himself look extremely weak by keep saying this, especially when the camera cut to clegg shaking his head in disagreement.

With regard to who "won" tonight I would say Clegg, then Cameron, then Brown. Brown and Cameron looked far too rehearsed where as Clegg came across quite natural. While I initially liked Cleggs performance, by the end I thought he was coming across holier than thou. With another two of these debates to go I think Clegg could really ramp up support for the lib dems with a lot of floating voters, particularly the young. Overall as a bit pro Dave, extremely dissapointed with his performance.

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Clegg is light years ahead and both my 21 and 18 year old daughters say they would vote for him.

After 30 minutes Clegg winning hands down. Brown looks like a dinasoar and Cameron too serious. Come on Dave, get in the game.

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Win every remaining game and absolutely thrash Ipswich, Leicester style. Nolan finishes top scorer. The owner releases a very clear statement outlining his intentions over the next 12 months at least. Llambias fucks off.

Indeed. That's what I dislike about politics. That people won't take a risk for fear of getting flak if it goes wrong. In my own little idealistic world I'd much prefer it if Brown said, yes we have stolen that Tory policy, it seemed very sensible and I think it will benefit the country overall so I don't apologise for using it. Or a Tory MP saying, no I'm not going to follow the party whip because what the Government is trying to implement will benefit the people of the UK. Every MP is there as they've been chosen to represent us, normal parliamentary business shouldn't always reflect party politics in my view, it should be based on what's best for the country. Save the party politics for election time. From the Tory Manifesto....

Brilliant I used to love it years ago when you would get a casio keyboard and play the "demo" button to see how it can be played.

quite refreshing to see people starting to agree with what I have been saying for years. Nowt personal DK I'm talking about the general opposition I used to get when I used to say this all the time. I'm actually a bit concerned at how much I agree with you on this now LM The lack of ambition of some and the way the press seems to be ramming it down our throats that we've made mistakes in the past and should apparently be over the moon just to be back in the top flight is really starting to piss me off. I remember back in 80's when this seemed to be general attitude of the fans and board. That lead to us signing players like George Rilley, Pat Heard and Billy Whitehurst and ultimately almost led to us in the third league of English football for the first time in our history. Personally I don't want to see those days ever again but Ashley seems to think he can run the club like he runs his shops. If that's what he wants then he should have bought a smaller club that could deliver on the fans expectations under those constraints. We should never accept him dragging us down to that level! We should be aiming to compete for a European spot (the financial muscle of the top four might make the champions league impossible without one of them suffering serious financial meltdown or us getting some rich arab) but a wafa cup spot cannot be dismissed. We won't get there next season but have to aim for it! Is exactly what virtually everyone has said Wrong. People like your good self have been suggesting that we should be looking to stay up this season and be happy if we finish 17. I am saying we should be aiming for the top seven and I would be happy finishing mid table. It's the ambition I'm talking about. You seem to be happy with the way Ashley is wanting to play it! But its not a case of not having ambition, its just simply not realistic to aim to finish 7th next year. I will remind you that the current top 7 looks like this.... Chelsea Man Utd Arsenal Man City Tottenham Liverpool Aston Villa How on earth you think its realistic to aim for seventh spot and dislodge Villa or Liverpool in our first season back with a limited talent pool of players and a probable limited budget. This is a weaker team than the one that got relegated. Most of those teams that were better than us then have strengthened while we've been away so simply surviving our first year back will be a great achievement, regardless of our name, reputation or past efforts.

Think someone was discussing this on the you tube thread today. Have a peeps their.

quite refreshing to see people starting to agree with what I have been saying for years. Nowt personal DK I'm talking about the general opposition I used to get when I used to say this all the time. I'm actually a bit concerned at how much I agree with you on this now LM The lack of ambition of some and the way the press seems to be ramming it down our throats that we've made mistakes in the past and should apparently be over the moon just to be back in the top flight is really starting to piss me off. I remember back in 80's when this seemed to be general attitude of the fans and board. That lead to us signing players like George Rilley, Pat Heard and Billy Whitehurst and ultimately almost led to us in the third league of English football for the first time in our history. Personally I don't want to see those days ever again but Ashley seems to think he can run the club like he runs his shops. If that's what he wants then he should have bought a smaller club that could deliver on the fans expectations under those constraints. We should never accept him dragging us down to that level! We should be aiming to compete for a European spot (the financial muscle of the top four might make the champions league impossible without one of them suffering serious financial meltdown or us getting some rich arab) but a wafa cup spot cannot be dismissed. We won't get there next season but have to aim for it! Is exactly what virtually everyone has said

Newcastle United - The Great Comeback

Today on You Tube

An excellent BBC tool her to quickly compare the differences between the parties on all the main issues. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/ele...amp;col3=libdem

My favourite ever game. I felt we were invincible and had no worries about the following season with the big boys. Great Atmosphere spent bouncing to Andy Cole all game long.

Quite amazed Labour agreed to it. Only see this as a no win situation for them. Libs definitely the big winners.

DEBATE: THE RULES The three debates will each last 90 minutes, half of which will be dedicated to a single theme. Tonight’s debate in Manchester will focus on domestic issues like crime, immigration and public services Members of the 200-strong audience are banned from heckling or even applauding, except at the beginning and end of the show David Cameron has secured the coveted centre stage spot for tonight’s debate, with Gordon Brown to his left and Nick Clegg to his right. Aides believe it will make him look ‘in charge’ The questions and audience have been carefully vetted for political balance. All personal questions have been banned Leaders will have one minute each to answer each question, with a large clock on the wall counting down the seconds. They will then debate with each other for four minutes The broadcasters have nominated heavyweight figures to police the debates. But the ‘moderators’, beginning tonight with ITV’s Alastair Stewart, will not be able to challenge the leaders The 76 rules governing the debates were hammered out by the parties and the broadcasters during weeks of negotiations. They cover every aspect of the programme, including an insistence that the leaders will shake hands at the end.