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The many eyewitnesses who saw it happen make it believable enough to me. This isn't so, there were many contradictory eye witness reports inc a small passenger jet and even a military aircraft..Some even described the high pitched whine of a missile. Police will always tell you that under pressure in these split second moments eye witnesses often haven't a clue what they really saw. And how many eye-witness accounts are used to support your questions? Steve it must be so easy for you just laboriously and religiously following the official story....Have a little fun fella.. The thing is though Parky, he's shown in this thread that he knows what he's on about, he's more or less answered your questions while asking you questions you can't answer and he hasn't had to resort to making up an anecdote about meeting someone 'in the know' yet either. He's just regurgitated the official story. And he hasn't answered many of my (and others questions). Ie A fire near the top of a building and how this would collapse the steel in the bottom of the building....Even in the official report (some of which I've read and I doubt you or Stevie have) this is gossed over with phrases about conductive heat energy and transferance....All cobblers you undrstand. WHY NO INDEPENDANT INQUIRY?? .......I'm not talking about 'good old boy' senators and friends of the Bush family either... I really think its hilarious that people beleive this whole story as it has been portrayed....So full of holes it is.

The many eyewitnesses who saw it happen make it believable enough to me. This isn't so, there were many contradictory eye witness reports inc a small passenger jet and even a military aircraft..Some even described the high pitched whine of a missile. Police will always tell you that under pressure in these split second moments eye witnesses often haven't a clue what they really saw. I just meant everyone said they saw a plane fly into a building. The pentagon?

The many eyewitnesses who saw it happen make it believable enough to me. This isn't so, there were many contradictory eye witness reports inc a small passenger jet and even a military aircraft..Some even described the high pitched whine of a missile. Police will always tell you that under pressure in these split second moments eye witnesses often haven't a clue what they really saw. And how many eye-witness accounts are used to support your questions? Steve it must be so easy for you just laboriously and religiously following the official story....Have a little fun fella..

I can't say anymore than I have Al. But when we meet I'll tell you the whole story. You know 'they' own the media. So, they don't appear anywhere else that you know of then? No.But why would it....? No Lloyds broker or other consultant involved in this is going to go to the media and say they ain't ganna pay because of x y z are they? That is not the way it works. Insurance companies quietly re-build they're positions and alter their policies to better protect themselves in future. As they have done....with regards to terrorist acts.

The many eyewitnesses who saw it happen make it believable enough to me. This isn't so, there were many contradictory eye witness reports inc a small passenger jet and even a military aircraft..Some even described the high pitched whine of a missile. Police will always tell you that under pressure in these split second moments eye witnesses often haven't a clue what they really saw.

I can't say anymore than I have Al. But when we meet I'll tell you the whole story. You haven't said anything. That's good then.

It would be ridiculous if it was on Columbo even.

I can't say anymore than I have Al. But when we meet I'll tell you the whole story. You know 'they' own the media.

Where did you get that from the temp seem too low. What's the melting point of steel? That depends on the alloy of steel you are talking about. The term alloy is almost always used incorrectly these days, especially amongst bicyclists. They use the term to mean aluminum. What the term alloy really means is a mixture of metals, any kind of metals. Almost all metal used today is a mixture and therefore an alloy. Most steel has other metals added to tune its properties, like strength, corrosion resistance, or ease of fabrication. Steel is just the element iron that has been processed to control the amount of carbon. Iron, out of the ground, melts at around 1510 degrees C (2750°F). Steel often melts at around 1370 degrees C (2500°F). Steel doesn't need to melt to bacome structurally unsound. You can bend steel without metling it right? The figure is for standard structural steel. Steel alloys contains trace amounts of other elements/compunds (not metals) to engender enhanced properties. This is not to increase melting point, since the material is still 99% Fe. Using complicated alloys is not cost-effective or even necessary for structural support, structural design is far more important, standard properly hardened steel is sufficient for buildings given the above. Plus these towers date from the 60's no?. I know what you're saying, but how does a fire on a few floors near the top of such a building make the steel fail near the bottom? Built in the late 70's iirc. Lloyds of London were left holding the main risk mamagement. One or two of whom are clients of mine as they are also heavily involved in shipping. You should hear what they say after a few beers. Who says it did? You should hear what they say after a few beers What did they say? To put it politely they have some issues with the way the buildings were re-insured.....And Finkelstien isn't one of their favourite people...The way this kind of insurance works is that the risk is often diluted by seperate entities taking up the cover as a joint venture. Without going into detail Lloyds were highly circumspect about the re-insurance package and the formula involved. We're not quite in the territory of renegade brokers....But we're close.

Where did you get that from the temp seem too low. What's the melting point of steel? http://education.jlab.org/qa/meltingpoint_01.html "That depends on the alloy of steel you are talking about. The term alloy is almost always used incorrectly these days, especially amongst bicyclists. They use the term to mean aluminum. What the term alloy really means is a mixture of metals, any kind of metals. Almost all metal used today is a mixture and therefore an alloy. Most steel has other metals added to tune its properties, like strength, corrosion resistance, or ease of fabrication. Steel is just the element iron that has been processed to control the amount of carbon. Iron, out of the ground, melts at around 1510 degrees C (2750°F). Steel often melts at around 1370 degrees C (2500°F)." The steel in the towers were also treated with an asbestos type compound to give it greater resistance against fire...It was the re-application of this treatment which was CAUSING PROBLEMS IN SELLING THE BUILDINGS as insurance companies wanted the treatment re-done, which would have been a hell of an expensive process. Again I repeat the 'jet fuel' would have burnt off in seconds....Any idea what what this oxygen starved fire (black smoke) was kept going by?? Office furniture doesn't have the ability to reach high temps that is needed to buckle steel. If steel was weakened in the upper part of the building, I am wondering how the collpased so methodically without any 'lean' whatsoever. There are a lot of anomalies about this event, hence the interesest worldwide. IMO there was foul play at work, but to what extent who can tell? IMO the building didn't collapse just cause they were hit by Jets. Any idea what what this oxygen starved fire (black smoke) was kept going by?? Do you? Office furniture doesn't have the ability to reach high temps that is needed to buckle steel. Fire brigade studies of the temperatures reached just inside a single living room fire are phenomenal. The material being burnt is not the only factor influencing the temperature reached in a fire. If steel was weakened in the upper part of the building, I am wondering how the collpased so methodically without any 'lean' whatsoever. Why wouldn't it? IMO the building didn't collapse just cause they were hit by Jets. Yet you have no plausible counter-explanantions. Only questions. The questions about this incident are what makes it interesting... Go admit it....The whole scenario is fishy.

Parky playing the Rob W card. Card beautifully played imho.

I did. Can you honestly say you enjoyed your plate of boiled oats? i don't mind it actually. a small teaspoon of honey makes it just about edible. the only time i crack and go for fried breakfast these days is on the weekend when i'm nursing a hangover and it's absolutely essential. Eat what you like man, be happy. Leftover curry from under the bed is a great breakfast treat.

Where did you get that from the temp seem too low. What's the melting point of steel? That depends on the alloy of steel you are talking about. The term alloy is almost always used incorrectly these days, especially amongst bicyclists. They use the term to mean aluminum. What the term alloy really means is a mixture of metals, any kind of metals. Almost all metal used today is a mixture and therefore an alloy. Most steel has other metals added to tune its properties, like strength, corrosion resistance, or ease of fabrication. Steel is just the element iron that has been processed to control the amount of carbon. Iron, out of the ground, melts at around 1510 degrees C (2750°F). Steel often melts at around 1370 degrees C (2500°F). Steel doesn't need to melt to bacome structurally unsound. You can bend steel without metling it right? The figure is for standard structural steel. Steel alloys contains trace amounts of other elements/compunds (not metals) to engender enhanced properties. This is not to increase melting point, since the material is still 99% Fe. Using complicated alloys is not cost-effective or even necessary for structural support, structural design is far more important, standard properly hardened steel is sufficient for buildings given the above. Plus these towers date from the 60's no?. I know what you're saying, but how does a fire on a few floors near the top of such a building make the steel fail near the bottom? Built in the late 70's iirc. Lloyds of London were left holding the main risk mamagement. One or two of whom are clients of mine as they are also heavily involved in shipping. You should hear what they say after a few beers.

I did. Can you honestly say you enjoyed your plate of boiled oats? I had porridge with live yoghurt and blueberries. What a depressing way to start the day that his. Normally have 2/3 filter coffee's and Marlboro lights.....But since I gave up smoking...Yes breakfast is a little threadbare. How long's it been now Parky? 3 weeks!!

Where did you get that from the temp seem too low. What's the melting point of steel? http://education.jlab.org/qa/meltingpoint_01.html "That depends on the alloy of steel you are talking about. The term alloy is almost always used incorrectly these days, especially amongst bicyclists. They use the term to mean aluminum. What the term alloy really means is a mixture of metals, any kind of metals. Almost all metal used today is a mixture and therefore an alloy. Most steel has other metals added to tune its properties, like strength, corrosion resistance, or ease of fabrication. Steel is just the element iron that has been processed to control the amount of carbon. Iron, out of the ground, melts at around 1510 degrees C (2750°F). Steel often melts at around 1370 degrees C (2500°F)." The steel in the towers were also treated with an asbestos type compound to give it greater resistance against fire...It was the re-application of this treatment which was CAUSING PROBLEMS IN SELLING THE BUILDINGS as insurance companies wanted the treatment re-done, which would have been a hell of an expensive process. Again I repeat the 'jet fuel' would have burnt off in seconds....Any idea what what this oxygen starved fire (black smoke) was kept going by?? Office furniture doesn't have the ability to reach high temps that is needed to buckle steel. If steel was weakened in the upper part of the building, I am wondering how the collpased so methodically without any 'lean' whatsoever. There are a lot of anomalies about this event, hence the interesest worldwide. IMO there was foul play at work, but to what extent who can tell? IMO the building didn't collapse just cause they were hit by Jets.

I did. Can you honestly say you enjoyed your plate of boiled oats? I had porridge with live yoghurt and blueberries. What a depressing way to start the day that his. Normally have 2/3 filter coffee's and Marlboro lights.....But since I gave up smoking...Yes breakfast is a little threadbare.

There you go, Parkinson. I can see why you enjoyed it Axel.

Haven't seen any of them. Isn't LMS a bit of a kids film? Scanner Darkly was really trippy in a good way....The future eh? It's not a Mr Men spin-off if that's what's confusing you. Is it a kids film?

Haven't seen any of them. Isn't LMS a bit of a kids film? Scanner Darkly was really trippy in a good way....The future eh?

Saw this only last week. Really enjoyable, maybe needs another viewing.

I so wanted to get this in....Ah well should make the top 20 easy. *Haven't seen. **Really want to see.

Bugger!! I watched that wretched thing 3 times after all the peer pressure!

It had gash qualities aye. But a not quite put together properly 70's feel I liked. Some sort of Sax Solo in there? The Conversation?

It had gash qualities aye. But a not quite put together properly 70's feel I liked.