Park Life 70 Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 I was in town the other week and there were some studes peddling copies of the Social Worker and doing an anti-war protest at the Monument. They were flying a Che Guevara flag without a hint of irony. Socialist Worker is the Trots Alex - they aren't big fans of JV Stalin Did I say they were? implied by association now tell me the difference between the CPGB (M-L) and the CPB (M-L) personally I always had a soft spot for the IWA - dug me and some mates out of a nasty do with the Front once Indian Workers Assoc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 And for killing at least 20-30,000,000 civilians (not counting people in wars - and yes Alex estimates go up to 40-60,000,000 - still not counting wars ). Theres a differennce between rounding up people and killing them (which he did) and people dying of starvation brought about as an unintended result of agricultural planning which didn't work. I suppose thats semantics but he didn't make killing an industrial process like Hitler. Russell Brand > Hitler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted November 14, 2008 Author Share Posted November 14, 2008 And for killing at least 20-30,000,000 civilians (not counting people in wars - and yes Alex estimates go up to 40-60,000,000 - still not counting wars ). Theres a differennce between rounding up people and killing them (which he did) and people dying of starvation brought about as an unintended result of agricultural planning which didn't work. I suppose thats semantics but he didn't make killing an industrial process like Hitler. He did both (but again Stalin's death camp don't get the PR ), and lots that Hitler "killed" weren't gassed or executed, but were worked and/or starved to death. Just Stalin was on the winning side, and had better PR is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 I was in town the other week and there were some studes peddling copies of the Social Worker and doing an anti-war protest at the Monument. They were flying a Che Guevara flag without a hint of irony. Socialist Worker is the Trots Alex - they aren't big fans of JV Stalin Did I say they were? implied by association now tell me the difference between the CPGB (M-L) and the CPB (M-L) personally I always had a soft spot for the IWA - dug me and some mates out of a nasty do with the Front once Indian Workers Assoc? indeed, indeed my elf-friend A fine body of men - no - a fine body of BIG aggressive men They were the US cavalry for us one evening.......... backed in an upstairs room in a bar in the Midlands with the Front coming in hard - looked like "Zulu" for a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 And for killing at least 20-30,000,000 civilians (not counting people in wars - and yes Alex estimates go up to 40-60,000,000 - still not counting wars ). Theres a differennce between rounding up people and killing them (which he did) and people dying of starvation brought about as an unintended result of agricultural planning which didn't work. I suppose thats semantics but he didn't make killing an industrial process like Hitler. He did both (but again Stalin's death camp don't get the PR ), and lots that Hitler "killed" weren't gassed or executed, but were worked and/or starved to death. Just Stalin was on the winning side, and had better PR is all. I don't have much time for Hitler or Stalin - but there were two things that stamped Hitler & Co out - one was the "industrial" aspect of the whoel thing and the other was that it wasn't personal -didn't matter what you were like - it was genocide JVS generally did away with "enemies of the state" - a slightly less rigorous definition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted November 16, 2008 Author Share Posted November 16, 2008 And for killing at least 20-30,000,000 civilians (not counting people in wars - and yes Alex estimates go up to 40-60,000,000 - still not counting wars ). Theres a differennce between rounding up people and killing them (which he did) and people dying of starvation brought about as an unintended result of agricultural planning which didn't work. I suppose thats semantics but he didn't make killing an industrial process like Hitler. He did both (but again Stalin's death camp don't get the PR ), and lots that Hitler "killed" weren't gassed or executed, but were worked and/or starved to death. Just Stalin was on the winning side, and had better PR is all. I don't have much time for Hitler or Stalin - but there were two things that stamped Hitler & Co out - one was the "industrial" aspect of the whoel thing and the other was that it wasn't personal -didn't matter what you were like - it was genocide JVS generally did away with "enemies of the state" - a slightly less rigorous definition Well I've never seen a thread with a point so thoroughly and ruthlessly proven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 The two men met many times btw. Twice just before WW2, before the eastern front and during Stalingrad. Proper coffee buddies like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 The two men met many times btw. Twice just before WW2, before the eastern front and during Stalingrad. Proper coffee buddies like. I don't think they ever met, but the bold bit is particularly . Why didn't they pop a cap in one anothers ass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 The two men met many times btw. Twice just before WW2, before the eastern front and during Stalingrad. Proper coffee buddies like. I don't think they ever met, but the bold bit is particularly . Why didn't they pop a cap in one anothers ass? Same side innit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 The two men met many times btw. Twice just before WW2, before the eastern front and during Stalingrad. Proper coffee buddies like. I don't think they ever met, but the bold bit is particularly . Why didn't they pop a cap in one anothers ass? Same side innit. Stalin and Hitler? During Stalingrad? Are you thinking of some other Hitler? A Russian one? Vladimir Hitler or summat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted November 16, 2008 Author Share Posted November 16, 2008 The two men met many times btw. Twice just before WW2, before the eastern front and during Stalingrad. Proper coffee buddies like. I don't think they ever met, but the bold bit is particularly . Why didn't they pop a cap in one anothers ass? Same side innit. Stalin and Hitler? During Stalingrad? Are you thinking of some other Hitler? A Russian one? Vladimir Hitler or summat. Hitler was just Stalin's stalking horse, how else was he going to get control of half of Europe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 The two men met many times btw. Twice just before WW2, before the eastern front and during Stalingrad. Proper coffee buddies like. I don't think they ever met, but the bold bit is particularly . Why didn't they pop a cap in one anothers ass? Same side innit. Stalin and Hitler? During Stalingrad? Are you thinking of some other Hitler? A Russian one? Vladimir Hitler or summat. Hitler was just Stalin's stalking horse, how else was he going to get control of half of Europe? Close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Aye, that's a pretty good article and sums up the double standards clearly on show when it comes to this topic. Hitler was wrong, and he was absolutely evil, but there was a (very perverse) sense of logic behind his actions. Stalin on the other hand had no visible logic behind his hatred and evil - ordering the deaths of millions without anything but paranoia behind it, and making those left alive second guess everyone and everything. I agree whilst our youngsters are taught widely about the crimes of Hitler and the Nazis, Stalin and the crimes of the Communists are hardly ever mentioned. This is amply demonstrated by the fact that if you go to one of the big summer music festivals in the UK you will find dozens of people waving Soviet flags alongside the rainbows of Greenpeace etc... now surely people would not put up with Swastikas being displayed? Whats more, when I lived in Brixton, London, I often saw the British Communist party peddling their evil in front of the tube station, with massive Soviet flags and mountains of propaganda, plus portraits of Stalin - now again, would that be tolerated if the Nazis were doing it? Another point - the former mayor of London, Ken Livingstone, was a former member of the British Communist Party; would London have tolerated a former Nazi? I don't think so. Also, when an ex-girlfriend was at art school at the Kent Institute of Art & Design in Maidstone, she witnessed the faculty and other students frequently glamourising Stalin and the Soviet Union. Again, this would never have been tolerated if it was regarding Hitler and the Nazi Party. Just one final though; it is interesting to remember that the West was fighting the Soviet Union during the 20s and 30s - actively aiding the white Russians, and then the Finns, and that after the Soviets invaded Poland with Nazi Germany in 1939 we were pretty much in a defacto state of war with them. This only changed when the Nazis invaded the Soviet Union in 1941, to their obvious detriment. Churchill was so worried that the British people would not be willing to send aid to the Soviets under Stalin (because at the time most viewed Stalin as the same as Hitler), that a massive propaganda campaign was launched to make the people warm to 'Uncle Joe' - it was incredibly successful, and after the war the socialists used this coerced opinion change to peddle their cause, hence why there has been a whitewashing of Stalin. Nice way for him to go btw - in a pool of his own piddle. Most modern day tyrants seem to have had inglorious endings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted November 17, 2008 Author Share Posted November 17, 2008 The two men met many times btw. Twice just before WW2, before the eastern front and during Stalingrad. Proper coffee buddies like. I don't think they ever met, but the bold bit is particularly . Why didn't they pop a cap in one anothers ass? Same side innit. Stalin and Hitler? During Stalingrad? Are you thinking of some other Hitler? A Russian one? Vladimir Hitler or summat. Hitler was just Stalin's stalking horse, how else was he going to get control of half of Europe? Close. Well I could tell you want really happened, but no one would believe me. This is amply demonstrated by the fact that if you go to one of the big summer music festivals in the UK you will find dozens of people waving Soviet flags alongside the rainbows of Greenpeace etc... now surely people would not put up with Swastikas being displayed? Doubly ironic, of course, because a should go right along side a Greenpeace flag, in fact looking at human history as a whole it maybe should be the Greenpeace flag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I don't think anyone believes you know what really happened anyway, so you've got nothing to lose on that score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 How unlike Fop to start an argument over the length of a piece of string by the way. Was Stalin more evil than Obama is black Fop? Or has he been whitewashed more than the true horror of WW1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted November 17, 2008 Author Share Posted November 17, 2008 I don't think anyone believes you know what really happened anyway, so you've got nothing to lose on that score See? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted November 17, 2008 Author Share Posted November 17, 2008 How unlike Fop to start an argument over the length of a piece of string by the way. Was Stalin more evil than Obama is black Fop? Or has he been whitewashed more than the true horror of WW1? You can try all you want, but I have the power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 (edited) I don't think anyone believes you know what really happened anyway, so you've got nothing to lose on that score See? I was merely pointing out your allusions (in the previous post) to esoteric insight into relationship between Stalin and Hitler fool no one. I don't what point you think you've proven with "See?" either as you were never going to post anything earth-shattering. That would be my guess anyway. Parky got there about three years earlier with that sort of nudge, nudge, wink, wink stuff as well btw. Edited November 17, 2008 by alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 How unlike Fop to start an argument over the length of a piece of string by the way. Was Stalin more evil than Obama is black Fop? Or has he been whitewashed more than the true horror of WW1? You can try all you want, but I have the power. About 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted November 17, 2008 Author Share Posted November 17, 2008 I don't think anyone believes you know what really happened anyway, so you've got nothing to lose on that score See? I was merely pointing out your allusions (in the previous) to esoteric insight into relationship between Stalin and Hitler fool no one. I don't what point you think you've proven as you were never going to post anything earth-shattering anyway. That would be my guess anyway. Parky got there about three years earlier with that sort of nudge, nudge, wink, wink stuff anyway btw. I love how you post something, don't get the response you want/imagined, and the stick instantly goes right up your ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted November 17, 2008 Author Share Posted November 17, 2008 How unlike Fop to start an argument over the length of a piece of string by the way. Was Stalin more evil than Obama is black Fop? Or has he been whitewashed more than the true horror of WW1? You can try all you want, but I have the power. About 11. Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I don't think anyone believes you know what really happened anyway, so you've got nothing to lose on that score See? I was merely pointing out your allusions (in the previous) to esoteric insight into relationship between Stalin and Hitler fool no one. I don't what point you think you've proven as you were never going to post anything earth-shattering anyway. That would be my guess anyway. Parky got there about three years earlier with that sort of nudge, nudge, wink, wink stuff anyway btw. I love how you post something, don't get the response you want/imagined, and the stick instantly goes right up your ass. I did get the post I imagined. By all means post what really happened then. And tell us where you got the info from. I've got a fair guess what the response to this will be as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted November 17, 2008 Author Share Posted November 17, 2008 I don't think anyone believes you know what really happened anyway, so you've got nothing to lose on that score See? I was merely pointing out your allusions (in the previous) to esoteric insight into relationship between Stalin and Hitler fool no one. I don't what point you think you've proven as you were never going to post anything earth-shattering anyway. That would be my guess anyway. Parky got there about three years earlier with that sort of nudge, nudge, wink, wink stuff anyway btw. I love how you post something, don't get the response you want/imagined, and the stick instantly goes right up your ass. I did get the post I imagined. By all means post what really happened then. And tell us where you got the info from. I've got a fair guess what the response to this will be as well. omg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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