adios

And I've tried to steer clear of any jargon.

Ah ok, so that is interesting. Anything that has an element of risk is a gamble?

He gambled on the future price of HBOS. ie an investment. Just because he decided not to use the futures market for whatever reason doesn't change that fact. I like the idea that he decided to roll the dice with what I believe was about 25% of his net worth at the time.

The Fish will see us through the darkness.

OK let me break down your argument as simply as I can. Losing: If a bluechip company acquires a start up that fails, does it then become a gamble? Gambling: Why do casinos never go broke? They do nothing but gamble.

I also think Ashley has a plan to advance the team beyond mid table. But I should probably see someone about that.

Answer my question.

Unfortunately that's about the size of it

Someone said Carver has one point from four matches. It's worth pointing out that he couldn't have got any points from the Leicester match. There were signs in a couple of those matches that he'd get them playing better football that Pardew. The team played better football than Pardew's team. I don't think he's very good, but I think he's good enough not to get relegated.

Agree with this. Probably not a popular opinion, but Ashley's Newcastle have moved forward in some ways.

Literally one word you think you understand. If I 'bet' that apple is going to gain over the next month on good information, do you understand how that is not gambling as we are discussing it?

You're a simpleton. You have no concept of what you're talking about and you're too ignorant to even know how ignorant you are. Not many things I will call someone on, but I've got you here.

And the fact that he lost money means it was a bet? Jesus wept you are thick. Any business venture that ever lost money was gambling.

So if he'd done exactly the same thing through the futures market, that would not be a bet? You're entire argument hangs on the word 'bet'. If we're assuming that gambling means negative expected value transactions, then a spread bet is not necessarily gambling at all.

You're talking about something I know a lot about. As do several members of this forum. You're currently making yourself look very silly, I'm letting you know that now. Maybe I should do as some on this site and go on about how wrong you are for the rest of eternity.

He bet on the future price of a stock. How exactly would that be different from him investing in any publicly traded company?

Would love to hear you expand on that.

Not if Carver gets Newcastle relegated.

Just because an investment doesn't work out doesn't mean he's sticking 300m on black ffs. Both decisions are made on what he thinks will happen enough of the time, so he's not going to just say 'fuck it' with Newcastle if he thinks Carver will cost him more money than changing the head coach.

though schuster was ruled in and out last week. will he be shaking it all about next week?

Of course we can do what we want. But surely the reason for any discourse is clear communication?

bit harsh

If no one knows what you're talking about, then you just come across like a bit of a twat. Just wait until they become common place, so plebs like us actually know wtf is going on.

That can't be fucking right, surely. Need to add 15 Ernies and a couple of Berts on the back of that car.