wolfy

It worked with religion, right? How many did it take to get people where they are today ? It's ok saying, that's not an argument...but it is. People have beliefs today in their billions, all from the past and it's as strong as ever. How many people did it take to start this off or can we say that it was all real then and that their gods showed themselves all those thousands of years ago and not today, so people have to just accept it on faith value. Aren't you all just accepting this space stuff on face value? One boy can cry wolf. One mouth can create pandemonium. One liar can spawn a mass of gossiping followers to that lie. All people that have a belief in something do not have to be liars. they could be the most honest people walking, that simply latched onto a belief. Humans have a need to feel like their lives have some meaning. A god provides that for many, because heaven is waiting or hell if your bad. It's a control of the masses, just like indoctrinated schooling is a control of your mind. Humans are naturally gullible. Very few will admit to it. The truth is, we all are, including me. It's just a case of waking up to a lot of it. If you can question one thing, you can question all things, or you can simply not question anything and just accept what's told.

At altitude your body would expand making your surface area equal the pressure, until you simply exploded. Go and watch a ballon inflate in an evacuation chaber and you will see what I mean. If you took a gold bar to altitude, it would weigh less because it won't expand to fit its surroundings, in terms of heights like everest and such. You cannot see the curvature or Earth from a mountain or anywhere else. It's simply not possible.

I've already told you why.

Weight is a man made measurement of mass/density of any material/element. The heavier the weight is determined by how much atmosphere the element can displace. If it's super dense it means that trapped atmospheric molecules inside of the element are few. To make it easier for you to understand, weigh a sponge and a gold bar of the same size. Naturally the gold bar weighs heavy and the sponge weighs next to nothing. This is because the sponge is mainly part of that atmospher and displaces virtually none. Compress that sponge as much as possible and you would probably end up with a dense tiny grain like material which shows you how much atmospheric pressure it's dosplacing. The gold bar cannot be compressed much more, if any than it already is, so it displaces it's own area against the atmospheric pressure above and around it. No pressure, no measurement of weight. Simple as that.

In this case, yes.

It's also harder than steel.

Yes.

If you're not willing to even think about what I'm saying then you'll never get it, so my explaining things would be pointless to be honest. You accept gravity and you have no clue what it is; neither does the science world, yet you accept it.

First of all, you're lugging all of science in with everything and making out that I'm denying it all. Computers work, radios work and all things we see, work. That's all down to the elements that created them, along with atmospheric pressure to allow them to function. Nothing functions without atmospheric pressure. Anthing told to us as functioning without atmopsheric pressure is a lie. that doesn't mean that you teaching it at a college is you lying. It means that you are simply regurgitating what the real liars have put into place, which can be remarkably few. It's as believable as reading a novel. How many people stick to certain authors because their books are better written and more in depth. The book becomes real. People talk about the book. Discussions come about because of that book, as if it is a real story. How many people have punched an actor who played a baddie in a soap? It's easy to say, "oh but that was a nutter." The point is, rational people get engrossed in fiction everyday of their lives and to the point of full on belief , like a trance, until people snap them out of it. Science is the same on many fronts. It's sold to the masses by the few, through mediums, like authors. You read those science books and as far as you're concerned, is is what it says it is. But is it? People can me made to believe anything. the bigger the lie, the easier it is to fool people. This has nothing to do with intelligence. It's about perception and trust. If you're born to trust, then you are going to simply believe what your told by the people you put your trust in, never thinking they could be duping you.

Atmospheric pressure determines the weight aided by man made scales.

I'm simply giving out my thoughts. You're not giving me anything to understand except to say that I don't know what I'm talking about. You're not giving anything out otehr than that. I'm not in charge of your patience, you are, so you decide what's best for you.

The sun causes the friction by burning hydrogen, etc in the centre of Earth. It why you get your winds, because it's like a cyclone or atmospher being taken in and spewed back out creating high and super low pressure which is sent around the circle of Earth. Nothing gets destroyed in this process, it just replenishes in a cycle, putting elements back into different forms.

If that's what you feel, then no problem.

Who's camera took this picture?

What evidence is against what I'm saying?

I suppose we could sit and argue all metals from start to finish with how they are in their density or atomic weights, etc. The top and bottom is, atmospheric pressure determines the weight of any material on a scale, not the material itself.

I'm 100% certain that the Earth is not a 1000+ mph rotating sphere whizzing around a 1000,000 + km diamater ball of fire in a space vacuum. If anyone can change that view then I welcome it. I've seen nothing to change that view, because to me, it makes no rational sense. It's simply told to us using thousands of years old so called philosophers and centuries old scientists and simply parroted by recent histories scientists, with added bull shit along the way. That's my take on it.

I don't demand it. I simply say that I haven't seen any physical evidence to prove the claims about what we live on. It can equally be said about me. I've already told you I can't provide physical evidence, I can only give out my thoughts. What people take from them is entirely up to them. Just use it as an exercise to question or people can use it as an exercise in how many variations of nutter they can call me. Either way it's no problem. I'm simply going by my thoughts which may be close to true or far away. It's all about chipping away over time. One thing I'm certain of in my own mind is, we are not walking about on a spinning solid ball whizzing around a giant sun in a vacuum.

No, I'm not religious but I have no problem with anyone who is. How did it all come about. I have no idea how it all started. It's like the chicken and the egg scenario. Maybe I'll never know. I believe Earth is a cell and we are bacteria like everything else inside of this cell. We are not getting out and nothing is coming in. The Earth is constantly growing and dying over time. We are just a dot in that time. The atmosphere is formed from the friction build up in the centre of the Earth that spews out the elements which take their place in a sort of stacked dense to less dense expansion of matter all the way to the top where the lightest and most expanaded, plus last of the elements go dormant and freeze against a true vacuum that we are told is space. The pressurisation of the atmosphere is simply stacked weight of molecules all bearing down on one another then on to us and everything else from top to bottom. The sun is in the centre of Earth and we see the reflection of that on the dome, plus all the otehr reflections off that as well as other reflections known as stars that are all created through crystals. Sounds crazy I know but that's my take on it. You see the sun in the blue sky because it's all part of the Earth. There is no space. There could be trillions upon trillions of cells like ours all around in suspended animation, yet we will never see any because nothing moves through a true vacuum and that includes light or our ability to see through it, so all we see is blackness of the dome and the reflections and clouds within it.

Yep, in most circumstances I have no issues with that. I have massive issues where space is concerned, plus what we are told Earth is.

The lead weighs more, because it's ability to displace more atmospheric pressure. The lower the melting point, the more something will displace atmospheric pressure. That's why lead, gold, silver, etc are heavy to you and weigh heavier on scales.

Have you seen this hexagon cloud. If so, do you have any pictures? Whatever people see in the sky, is reflections of what's happening on Earth plus clouds in the lower and upper atmosphere in various forms.

1. On a smooth flight, no. That's because I'm encased inside an aluminium can. The plane itself takes the friction. If you are trying to put this out as to why we don't feel the Earth spinning and the air rushing over our faces, then it's not really a good example but it can appear to be to those not willing to look at it logically. If people believe that a solid rotating ball can spin at over 1000 mph and actually make the air follow it exactly, all the way to the edge of supposed space, then fair enough. All I say is, does it seem logical when you think about it? We get told that the Earth drags the air and the water with it because it's been rotating for billions of years and eventually it's all spinning in unison, yet if you flew a plane in the same direction as the Earth is supposedly spinning, at a speed of 1000 mph, then theoretically your plane should have caught up with the speed of the Earth meaning you will look down to see yourself hovering. The argument to that is, " no, because the air is still dragging the plane at 1000 mph as well as it's own speed". I mean, really? Just question the nonsense of this stuff, that's all I'm saying. 2. Yes you can buy a telescope and see the moon. You can see it with your own eyes. You are told it's 250,000 miles away. Go and look out to sea with your telescope and see if you can bring a ship into focus at a distance that you can't see with your own eyes. How far is that? 3 miles, 10 miles, 100 miles? Pick a number. All your telescope is, is a large microscope. It brings smaller objects into view. It magnifies them. that's it. Why does the moon glow? The moon landing pictures show a cement like soil, so what makes it glow at night ? Is is possible that it isn't a round lump of huge rock floating in space and is actually a reflection of the sun? Of course that's pathetic isn't it, because we've been told it's a lump of rock... and people, plus machines have been there . It's weird how it only shows us one face isn't it? Why does it only show us one face? Could it be that it's a reflection off the dome? Our heads have been battered with space science to the point of full on brainwashing. It's hard to think any other way because it's ingrained that much into our heads. The more you look into it, the more nonsensical it becomes. The choice is yours whether you want to question it or just go with the flow. I'm not asking anyone to believe what I say. Just question the magic of what you've been brought up with and if you're happy with it, then fair enough. I'm not, so I'll stick to my stance until proved otherwise. Remember...I used to think everything was true what we were told, so it's not like I have stuck to one side. I've looked at all scenarios and I'm still open to a lot of stuff, alternative to the rotating globe model.

The evidence is right in front of you. You can physically test it out in various ways, using evacuation chambers or even window clamps, etc, that are known as suction pads, except there is no suction, it's all push of atmospheric pressure, either pushing it away or pushing it into a more condensed way, as in a compressed air cylinder. It's working on everything on Earth. It explains gravity perfectly well. The only time it doesn't explain gravity is when it's equated to what they tell us space is. There's a reason for that. It's because space does not existin how they tell you, in my honest opinion. There isn't a formula for gravity because it does not exist as a force. It's made up, just like a lot of this stuff is. General relativity and then special relativity, to warped space time and an endless amount of other stuff is just made up to counter any flaws that crop up. They've had an age to piece this altogether, shoehorning everything into place to make a best fit scenario, so they have a massive head start and a mass following of the model they gave out, for no other reason than it is what they say, so that's it. You tell me how you know gravity exists and that it's definitely not atmospheric pressure that accounts for everything we see happening.