manc-mag

Fop, do you not accept that the fact of the election of a 'black' president has an intrinsic historical and symbolic importance? Irrespective of wherever it should go from here; because of course nobody (not even you) is clairvoyant.

Looks canny hot tbf.

Would rather drink the piss of a jock tramp who has just drunk 4 bottles of buckfast. Heineken isn't a bad lager on draught tbf. Definitely a cut above the others highlighted. It's funny you say that, because I've drunk it in Amsterdam and it's alright, but here oh dear..it's mad, and it's exactly the same with Stella, had some in Brussells really nice, here I can't get away with it. The Heineken you get here now (in bottles anyway, not that many places I would drink draught lager) is the same as the stuff you get in Holland. It didn't used to be though. For some reason we got a shitty 4% pale imitation of the real thing. It's a canny lager imo. I know a couple of places that do the full fat version on draught and it's ticketyboo tbf. You're quite right to make the distinction though as the UK domestic market version of the stuff is a waste of time.

Kristall would definitely be my drink of choice on a night out in Jormany. Tastes a bit strange over here, but that's no doubt all in the head. Has the correct way to pour it into a glass reached England yet? Anyway, I've nearly finished working for today. On the way back I'll make a quick visit to the supermarket. Probably get myself a couple of bottles of Franziskaner or Paulaner. Erdinger isn't really one of the better German wheat beers tbh. I like Bitburger and have started to drink a fair bit of it since Tesco started stocking it regularly. Is it considered ok or shite in Germany, Wolfy? Depends a bit. Beer taste in regards to "Pils" is very much a regional thing in Jormany. Bitburger is well liked in the west, but probably not so much in the south I'd say because it's rather dry and aromatic. I reckon it's a decent beer though. I think thats why I go for it tbf-bit more complex than UK shite but without going the whole hog and becoming a marginalised taste. Went well with loads of food over the summer.

Who would have got your vote Fop? Anyone but Hilary. But out of the two, probably Obama (or perhaps a 3rd candidate protest vote ). I'm holding out for the first hispanic lesbian President before I throw my weight behind them. I thought as much. This reminds me of the 'Lest we forget thread' where you chose Rememberance Sunday to tell everyone that they've forgotten WW1's heroes. As if you were the only one that could realise the horror of such a thing, when in fact, you're in very much the same boat as all the rest of us. See you tomorrow for more straw man erecting you attention whore. How true.

Kristall would definitely be my drink of choice on a night out in Jormany. Tastes a bit strange over here, but that's no doubt all in the head. Has the correct way to pour it into a glass reached England yet? Anyway, I've nearly finished working for today. On the way back I'll make a quick visit to the supermarket. Probably get myself a couple of bottles of Franziskaner or Paulaner. Erdinger isn't really one of the better German wheat beers tbh. I like Bitburger and have started to drink a fair bit of it since Tesco started stocking it regularly. Is it considered ok or shite in Germany, Wolfy?

Would rather drink the piss of a jock tramp who has just drunk 4 bottles of buckfast. Heineken isn't a bad lager on draught tbf. Definitely a cut above the others highlighted.

Your argument belongs in a bygone era with the Black Panthers and the KKK. Everyone else has transcended that already. McCain basically retained the confederacy states last night. Obama didn't win everything else because of his race. He won primarily thanks to the ineptitude/arrogance of George Bush and Dick Cheney. Hilary Clinton would have won it too and it would have been just as historic to have a female in the top spot. mustard and relish sandwiches?! Jesus I wouldn't have wanted to be downwind of those roundtable talks.

Continental lager man? I like continental lager if it's decent stuff. I also like Belgian beers (the blond ones in general), wheat beers and you can't whack a nice pint of Guiness (a shit pint of it is awful though). I quite like the occasional Brown Ale as well and stuff like Smitheck's (sp?) and London Pride is nice as well. Sorry if that's crushed your stereoptype. I terms of ales, I'll drink Guinness London Pride Bombardier Theakstons Old Perculiar (shite) Timothy Taylor's 'Landlord' The rest, you can keep. FYP.

This thread reminds me of when Baggio once claimed to be black. Then admitted that he wasnt. The denied that he'd ever claimed he was black. Then eventually admitted that he had.

in tears here.

I'd never ask him that question. In fact I don't even think there should be a question. But yet again you make my point for me. Woo-hoo! Cake-and-eat-it time already. Full house!

actually mean You answer your own question.

Like shite you have!

I'd never ask him that question. In fact I don't even think there should be a question. But yet again you make my point for me. Woo-hoo! Cake-and-eat-it time already. Full house!

He nailed it. Fop even gets a namecheck. Can't say fairer than that tbh.

Would love to see Fop try and get away with putting the question to Obama on Newsnight: "How black are you?" "So can you give a percentage?" "Thought not!" *Turns to camera wearing smug grin. Cut to producer, mortified*

Fop wants him blacked up like Al Jolson.

It's almost as much fun. If you mean Obama, nope I'd just agree with everyone and then do whatever suited me best. If you mean manc-foplite, then it's still no I'd just whip myself into a frenzy before slinking away for a few months. That's a nice attempted to divert the issue to something else, but nothing to do with the point. How you think of your nephews would be at least something to do with the point, but even so not really. Lets get back to the point; what do you define as "black" or "white" and what do you want Obama to be? No it's not, with respect. It's about approaching the question from a position of pure practicality as opposed to meaningless philosophising. If you think that the African Americans of today looked the same way they did when they stepped off slave ships three hundred years ago then it shows what you know tbh. There's commonly some historical percentage of white/European in the make up of African Americans, but it doesnt mean that they regard themselves as white or that white Americans regard them as white either though, so why you're obsessed with percentage amounts is beyond me. Alex has already explained this to you though. You just keep on underlining my point for me, without ever seeming to realise it. I'll leave the underlining to you. Along with the italics, bold and "quotation marks"

It's almost as much fun. If you mean Obama, nope I'd just agree with everyone and then do whatever suited me best. If you mean manc-foplite, then it's still no I'd just whip myself into a frenzy before slinking away for a few months. That's a nice attempted to divert the issue to something else, but nothing to do with the point. How you think of your nephews would be at least something to do with the point, but even so not really. Lets get back to the point; what do you define as "black" or "white" and what do you want Obama to be? No it's not, with respect. It's about approaching the question from a position of pure practicality as opposed to meaningless philosophising. If you think that the African Americans of today looked the same way they did when they stepped off slave ships three hundred years ago then it shows what you know tbh. There's commonly some historical percentage of white/European in the make up of African Americans, but it doesnt mean that they regard themselves as white or that white Americans regard them as white either though, so why you're obsessed with percentage amounts is beyond me. Alex has already explained this to you though.

Sorry mate, it was full of unsolicited porn from Peasepud.

There's no decent estimate, and it's widely believed that all estimates they do have are massively under-represent (because of the very crude methods used). There's at least 8m that would refer to themselves as "muslim" and could easily be double or more that would refer to themselves as that. The yearly immigration figures show that 2.4 million figure to be total rubbish, even if no muslim ever immigrated to the USA prior to 2003. (so I guess the pretty large west coast influx of the 70's never happened) So basically you made the figure up? Nice one. Nicely ignoring the rest of my post as well. Nope estimates vary, but given the yearly influx since 2003 2.4m is clearly wrong, there's 8m at least. Where are you getting this 8-15m figure from then? Not that it alters my original point. A range of between 8-15 million and you dare question it's reliability! That's the best figures. Out of interest what is your specific "range" genetically for being "black" and "white"? Well two of my nephews are of mixed race, but it's more likely they'll get their heads kicked in for being 'black' than for being 'white'. Perhaps they could pose that same question to any would-be racist attacker though and get back to you with some empirical data.

Which again is exactly my point. So you're a better judge of what it is to be an African American than an African American then? Jog on.