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Fair enough Alex. But I didn't hear anybody calling for bans when the vast majority were moaning on when we actually had a good team etc though ? We actually have something to moan about these days. There are people who are blinded by these few results, and I think those questions I've asked are fairly reasonable too tbh. 'Moaning on' is one thing, moaning on incessantly for five years at any given opportunity when the topic of conversation is entirely unrelated is something else altogether. That's what people are getting at in case it needed pointing out. It really shouldn't need pointing out though.

Well she's more likely to get into a bed with nice linen than one with a He-Man quilt cover. I've found To my cost How much extra did she charge?

This is the thing though. If you can't be allowed to enjoy a good run then this place has truly lost the plot. But you express any pleasure at a sequence of good results and he's foaming to either a) misrepresent what you've just said as Pro-Ashley propaganda, claiming we're on course for a CL place, or desperately trying to goad you into a thinly veiled Ashley/Shepherd 'ambition' debate. Sad for the forum to be honest and could hardly be less appropriate either because almost every post expressing happiness has a massively studied air about it in the sense that people are at great pains to say they don't think 4th place now will mean 4th place in May.

Fuck off Alex.

put him on ignore already mate! you still end up reading reams of his posts through others' quotes but at least you'll get out of having to waste so much time engaging in his never ending 'debate'. someone else will soon take up the mantle. I've never put anyone on ignore during the whole time I've used the board tbh mate. Contrary to what he says I'm far from obsessed, I just marvel at the fact it's a 60 year old bloke who could have this chip on his shoulder for so long, with so many people and with so little reason. And whatever reason he thinks he might have it's principally made up. The thing is I'm honestly laughing if I ever do bother replying, so I don't need to ignore. I agree he's incessant though and de-rails loads of threads (whether you chose to respond or not), but sadly in those cases the ignore function isnt much use because the overall thread direction ends up going that way anyway. The only way it'd work imho (and I'd be prepared to do it then tbf) is if there was a consolidated approach with loads of posters ignoring him. It's been going on for years obviously but he's had a massively adverse reaction to the good start to the season combined with HF's post which exposed him as a bit of a clot (Tecato's sig) so it might actually be worth it. Can't see any other way really.

Well basically all this transaction proves is that you can pick and choose stats to suit but I dispute your basic premise that 23,000 isn't a perfectly respectable gate for division 3/ division 2 no-hopers. Gates aside though, Leeds fans are twats. End off.

Leazes give over man, you're nearly 60 but you sound like you're about 9. You've basically just got some massive inferiority complex at the end of the day because you keep banging on about me 'knowing everything' and being a 'self-proclaimed smart lad', despite never being able to quote me when asked to do so. You were making things up that I'd said about Pardew the other day, it was bizarre and sad in equal measure. Pay attention to other people's comments if you won't listen to mine, because they're all telling you to put a cork in it.

What I'm saying is, 23,000 isn't a disgrace for a club that's been in the old 3rd division recently. If anyone thinks it is then fair enough, but I personally think that's a daft view to hold. Stoke get 27,000 and are playing at the absolute extent of their potential (way beyond it in fact as they are bankrolled). I'm not disputing their relative league positions as obviously that would be absurd. They were amongst the promotion favourites though, we got 44,000 down there in the ccc, and there was no evidence to suggest they'd go any lower. I think 23,000 is abysmal for a club within a city of their size regardless what leagues they've been in. Man City even did better than that, and look at Norwich their grounds been sold out for years, and they stayed down in league one for a while. 23,000 for a club that's been in the third division is really bad evidence to say they're a nonentity club iyam. We've done comfortably less than that and we've never even been in the third. We're bigger than them by a good margin, but they're not a small club.

What I'm saying is, 23,000 isn't a disgrace for a club that's been in the old 3rd division recently. If anyone thinks it is then fair enough, but I personally think that's a daft view to hold. Stoke get 27,000 and are playing at the absolute extent of their potential (way beyond it in fact as they are bankrolled). I'm not disputing their relative league positions as obviously that would be absurd.

Their history began in 1966 and ended in 1975 though largely speaking, apart from a title win in front of 25,000 supporters in 1992. It's a rugby/cricket town. Being the self proclaimed biggest club in Yorkshire they should have 80,000 people wanting to see them play, their local fanbase should be on paper as big as Man Utd's. It shouldn't like, because they've got Bradford on the doorstep and that's a bigger population than you think (without getting into the ethnicity of Bradford and whether it's a 'football' town). Leeds are clearly a fair sized team that have matched a large northern city status to a good few trophies. Can hardly knock them on that score. For me it's just about the fact that their fans are dickheads (to the extent that lots of their own fans acknowledge this). You're right about their historical peaks though being a relatively brief window, which appears even more stark given they changed their home colours during this period as though they had no history worth preserving. That bit would be absolutely unthinkable to us (and most clubs tbf). Leeds and Wakefield together is about 1.3m and that's not even including Bradford which is half asian anyway. Manchester and Salford together isn't even that, and they have Man City there too. Leeds on paper imo should've been historically one of the biggest clubs in the country, when the reality is but for the countries perception of their rivalry with Man Utd (some type of wanky war of the roses pish) they're not even the size of the mackems. Manchester and Salford is a few square miles in total though, separated by a trickle of a river. 'Leeds and Wakefield' are actually distinct places. So whereas Leeds and Wakefield combined might be more people than Mcr and Salford (I genuinely have no idea) they're not all in a tiny area within traditional spitting distance of Old Trafford, which is the historical reason for Man U being bigger (before their brand globalisation).

How many games might they have NOT have won if he buried some of those ? On a side note, I read a stat last week that the player that had given away possession most in La Liga this season was Lionel Messi. I wouldn't be surprised at that like, but the possession will have mainly been lost deep in the opponents half when theres three players on him-one he's just dribbled past and chasing him and two he's dribbling at who have dropped off to mark him. Maradona lost loads of possession that way too. Very different to players squandering it in their own half under no pressure with easy passes on.

Bit creepy tbh.

Their history began in 1966 and ended in 1975 though largely speaking, apart from a title win in front of 25,000 supporters in 1992. It's a rugby/cricket town. Being the self proclaimed biggest club in Yorkshire they should have 80,000 people wanting to see them play, their local fanbase should be on paper as big as Man Utd's. It shouldn't like, because they've got Bradford on the doorstep and that's a bigger population than you think (without getting into the ethnicity of Bradford and whether it's a 'football' town). Leeds are clearly a fair sized team that have matched a large northern city status to a good few trophies. Can hardly knock them on that score. For me it's just about the fact that their fans are dickheads (to the extent that lots of their own fans acknowledge this). You're right about their historical peaks though being a relatively brief window, which appears even more stark given they changed their home colours during this period as though they had no history worth preserving. That bit would be absolutely unthinkable to us (and most clubs tbf).

Leeds have a pretty respectable European record tbf (they've been to all European finals, in some cases more than once). Plus they've won league titles in the 70's and 90's (ie across two decades in the modern game). Can't class them as a nothing club on that basis alone, it's just their fans are monumental arseholes.

Stopped reading after 2 paragraphs as it screamed I am a yank writing about football at me. I didnt get past the word "soccer" tbh. I threw my monitor out the window and sent 2J the bill.

Agreed. Plus it allows you to look at us as a squad rather than a team. If the squad is weaker on balance, then claims we can put out a better starting 11 have to have less weight. Obviously I hope we kick on though as I think the players are good enough to if they continue to play to the best of their abilities and get a bit of support in Jan (absolutely not banking on the latter of course). but what do you think we will do Sammy ? Do you think we are a better team, or a better squad ? And do you think that Mike Ashley is on the right lines to restore the club back to one of the main challengers ? Less of the bluster and hot air man..... You're absolutely seething lately aren't you? why don't you answer the question Sammy boy ? Go on, be a Devil and give us the benefit of your intelligence and judgement ? Did you have a good weekend ? I did, I had a good weekend in Wolverhampton. Go on man, tell us all what a smart lad like you thinks the future of the toon is ? We won't call you a thick cunt if you get anything wrong ? How massively needy are you though? And yet I'm "obsessed". Aye, righto cos that rings true.

And that's the last thing he wants to do.

Deadman sparking mayhem again here.

Agreed. Plus it allows you to look at us as a squad rather than a team. If the squad is weaker on balance, then claims we can put out a better starting 11 have to have less weight. Obviously I hope we kick on though as I think the players are good enough to if they continue to play to the best of their abilities and get a bit of support in Jan (absolutely not banking on the latter of course). but what do you think we will do Sammy ? Do you think we are a better team, or a better squad ? And do you think that Mike Ashley is on the right lines to restore the club back to one of the main challengers ? Less of the bluster and hot air man..... You're absolutely seething lately aren't you?

Barry Venison looking a bit peaky there.

Agreed. Plus it allows you to look at us as a squad rather than a team. If the squad is weaker on balance, then claims we can put out a better starting 11 have to have less weight. Obviously I hope we kick on though as I think the players are good enough to if they continue to play to the best of their abilities and get a bit of support in Jan (absolutely not banking on the latter of course).

Any evidence for this happening? Said like its unquestionably true whereas its now an assumption thats unquestionably false. Also, seeing as the evidence that we will sell Tiote & Cabaye is that we sold Nolan and Barton, isnt that evidence that if they are sold they will be replaced by better players? Lazy. Surely that remains to be seen. Obertan's filling Barton's boots rather poorly. Raylor is the new Enrique (can't judge Santon yet). Cabaye's better than Nolan clearly, despite not supplying as many goals. Ba better than Carroll? On current form he might be, aye. But that's based on the last 2 games, 4 games prior he was awful. As was Carroll for completeness.

He'd have got kicked to pieces. Have you not seen Escape to Victory man? Not sure if it's an urban myth but Stallone is meant to have challenged him to a penalty shoot out. Pele scored all his and saved all of Stallone's. That seals the deal for me. You also have to remember that Pele was well past his peak by then whereas Stallone went on to retain the World Heavyweight Belt 5 times. Good point that. And Max Von Sydow was never the same after he contracted the plague. John Wark looked like he'd contracted plague during filming.

He'd have got kicked to pieces. Have you not seen Escape to Victory man? Not sure if it's an urban myth but Stallone is meant to have challenged him to a penalty shoot out. Pele scored all his and saved all of Stallone's. That seals the deal for me. You also have to remember that Pele was well past his peak by then whereas Stallone went on to retain the World Heavyweight Belt 5 times.

He'd have got kicked to pieces. Have you not seen Escape to Victory man?