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OH fuck off, Cheers for that.

Obvious to most? Not only must you be a mind reader, but you're also very much wrong. You're the only one to mention it so far like. Re-read the actual thread, word for word, right from the beginning, every post, not just mine. You'll also notice quite a few of my comments about this place are tounge in cheek and I also later apologised to the owners/mods of the forum for any offence I may have caused in my 'critique' of this place. Stressing that this is my genuine appraisal of the forum. Which BTW, as a member, I have a right to expess (IMO). I'm oldskool too, as I was a member of the original Toon-Chat forum. At least I'm up front about it and don't use other boards to criticise this place or target individuals or anything like that. I'm actually trying to be helpful, as shallow as that may read. I've praised this board, some of the members and such too, so it's not as if it's petty or tit for tat because N.O got criticised either. Anyway, like I said, people who know me enough know I don't hold grudges or anything like that. I might be a pest and many things, but a cunt I'm not. PS Why oh why do I keep getting drawn into these things. I'll learn one day... 58723[/snapback] You (conveniently) cropped the first paragraph out of that quote, so I'll repeat it if I may: The point is though, (and the key difference) is that if there was criticism of this site on your site, I honestly couldnt give a monkeys toss! That's because I would see it as utterly fucking irrelevant to any problems with the current toontastic format. With respect, thats the bit you cant answer. If someone criticised this forum/poster on N-O then what the fuck could I possibly care? You clearly do however and thats what precipitates your responses. The state of toontastic is utterly fucking irrelevant to criticisms of N-O!!!!!!!! Why comment on toontastic then? Theres only one explanation in spte of any goodwill you might try to lay claim to. Throw a six and move on mate. 58734[/snapback] Oh god, yet more. 58740[/snapback] Shut it Daniel, you vermin!

Obvious to most? Not only must you be a mind reader, but you're also very much wrong. You're the only one to mention it so far like. Re-read the actual thread, word for word, right from the beginning, every post, not just mine. You'll also notice quite a few of my comments about this place are tounge in cheek and I also later apologised to the owners/mods of the forum for any offence I may have caused in my 'critique' of this place. Stressing that this is my genuine appraisal of the forum. Which BTW, as a member, I have a right to expess (IMO). I'm oldskool too, as I was a member of the original Toon-Chat forum. At least I'm up front about it and don't use other boards to criticise this place or target individuals or anything like that. I'm actually trying to be helpful, as shallow as that may read. I've praised this board, some of the members and such too, so it's not as if it's petty or tit for tat because N.O got criticised either. Anyway, like I said, people who know me enough know I don't hold grudges or anything like that. I might be a pest and many things, but a cunt I'm not. PS Why oh why do I keep getting drawn into these things. I'll learn one day... 58723[/snapback] You (conveniently) cropped the first paragraph out of that quote, so I'll repeat it if I may: The point is though, (and the key difference) is that if there was criticism of this site on your site, I honestly couldnt give a monkeys toss! That's because I would see it as utterly fucking irrelevant to any problems with the current toontastic format. With respect, thats the bit you cant answer. If someone criticised this forum/poster on N-O then what the fuck could I possibly care? You clearly do however and thats what precipitates your responses. The state of toontastic is utterly fucking irrelevant to criticisms of N-O!!!!!!!! Why comment on toontastic then? Theres only one explanation in spte of any goodwill you might try to lay claim to. Throw a six and move on mate.

I'm glad someone picked up on me pouring my heart out about that scarring moment from my childhood. Aye, he was forgiven when he bought me and my sister our first car to share. Even though it was only an old Fiat Panda - he probably got more selling the tortoise than it cost him, come to think of it. 58715[/snapback] I bet you can never see his face now without thinking of that little tortoises head.

I'm making no comments on this whatsoever, and that's not just to disprove the above theory. TBH I'm totally sick of the whole thing. Comments are made about other websites, it's a fact of life - as I have said before, if you're going to run a website/forum, you've got to accept that you're going to get criticism, no matter how much you don't like it. People don't like N-O - so what? People don't like Toontastic - so what?? Neither place will die as both will retain a core member base. As was said from the outset, Toontastic was never intended to be a competitor to Newcastle-Online, it was designed to offer the people who missed what they enjoyed about the original Toontastic/Toon-Chat the opportunity to enjoy it again. That included to some degree a cliquey-ness so I don't think that can be seen as a criticism of the site. I tend to look at it as 'job done'. Sure I'd like to see it a little bit busier but beggars can't be choosers. If one day it does die, I'll accept it and move on to something new - I've learned things out of doing it so I won't be slitting my wrists. It won't die though 58685[/snapback] Good post actually. But how do new members become part of the clique? At some point you surely must want to attract some new members? 58693[/snapback] You say that as though I don't normally make good posts! We do get new members, all the time and a fair few of them post - there's no membership to a clique. TBH, I'd say that I wasn't part of it and more on the periphery. Doesn't stop me posting though, nor does it make me feel like I shouldn't post but then again, I tend to rise above that kind of bullshit. 58697[/snapback] Skidmarks up to your eyeballs tbh. 58700[/snapback] You been smearing your arse again? 58706[/snapback] No, its just the way I walk.

I'm making no comments on this whatsoever, and that's not just to disprove the above theory. TBH I'm totally sick of the whole thing. Comments are made about other websites, it's a fact of life - as I have said before, if you're going to run a website/forum, you've got to accept that you're going to get criticism, no matter how much you don't like it. People don't like N-O - so what? People don't like Toontastic - so what?? Neither place will die as both will retain a core member base. As was said from the outset, Toontastic was never intended to be a competitor to Newcastle-Online, it was designed to offer the people who missed what they enjoyed about the original Toontastic/Toon-Chat the opportunity to enjoy it again. That included to some degree a cliquey-ness so I don't think that can be seen as a criticism of the site. I tend to look at it as 'job done'. Sure I'd like to see it a little bit busier but beggars can't be choosers. If one day it does die, I'll accept it and move on to something new - I've learned things out of doing it so I won't be slitting my wrists. It won't die though 58685[/snapback] Good post actually. But how do new members become part of the clique? At some point you surely must want to attract some new members? 58693[/snapback] You say that as though I don't normally make good posts! We do get new members, all the time and a fair few of them post - there's no membership to a clique. TBH, I'd say that I wasn't part of it and more on the periphery. Doesn't stop me posting though, nor does it make me feel like I shouldn't post but then again, I tend to rise above that kind of bullshit. 58697[/snapback] Skidmarks up to your eyeballs tbh.

What I'm getting at is that instead of worrying about whether HTT takes any pleasure in the idea this forum may not last, you should be directing your comment toward the person who started this daft thread. And also toward those who chipped in and followed up by slagging off people on another forum. It's a bit daft, don't you think? Don't you agree that this is what is petty minded? 58655[/snapback] We just differ in what we find entertaining I think. When someone makes a tongue in cheek comment about the quality of another poster/message board, as long as its amusing then I'll have a laugh. Although this forum is cliquey (I've admitted as much) I also think its very self-deprecating, and I think that is healthy. Thats the sort of humour that appeals to me-I can laugh at myself basically and I dont mind other people having a laugh at me either. I know that also applies to a lot of the people who HTT is branding snobby and arrogant etc etc. What i'm saying is HTT's responses smack of someone who cant laugh at himself. Which is simply exacerbated by the fact that he takes any observations about N-O way too personally. 58667[/snapback] I don't believe the comment was "tongue in cheek". Or the replies. 58676[/snapback] I don't imagine I'm going to persuade you otherwise either so I wont bother trying mate. 58681[/snapback] No difference with me trying to persuade you that you're wrong about HTT, is there? Read what Dan said a couple of posts up. I've been reading stuff from HTT for a few years now and I don't think he's be smug about this forum failing. Just my opinion. 58686[/snapback] No. That was me trying to draw our discussion to an end for that very reason. If you missed that you genuinely astonish me.

I don't really care to be honest. I know within myself, that's not true and I'd hope people who knew me enough, wouldn't see it like that because I'm not like that. I stand by all my comments and if you or anyone misreads them or misniterprets them as me wishing ill on this place, fair enough. I won't lie, I was mighty pissed off over the 'split' but more with myself for letting it happen and to be truthful, despite how gutted I was at first, it's been a blessing in disguise (and that's not a dig at this place or anyone), it's made me change how I view N.O - for the better in my opinion. I'm a Newcastle fan first and foremost, I have always preached from day one the importance of having many sites, many forums for NUFC fans to be able to use. Why do you think I was against any criticism of Nufc.com on N.O or other Toon sites? There has never been any criticism of this place on our forum either, not once. I certainly wouldn't be happy with that. Anyway, think what you like. You're wrong. 58664[/snapback] The point is though, (and the key difference) is that if there was criticism of this site on your site, I honestly couldnt give a monkeys toss! That's because I would see it as utterly fucking irrelevant to any problems with the current toontastic format. Despite what you say HTT, it's obvious to most (be it by your words or your tone, but certainly in a clear pattern of behaviour) that you do wish this site every misfortune. And that really is sad. Fair do's like. 58674[/snapback] I don't see anywhere where he has wished this site misfortune. In fact, he's said many times (on here and N/O) that the more NUFC fansites there are around the better. 58679[/snapback] When it descends into slanging matches then it's hard to get any other impression. And thats happened a few times. And then he rolls out that response. And then he gets embroiled in another slanging match. Again. I'd have been inclined to believe him if after the first time he'd said it he kept his counsel on the subject but he doesnt. Tired of hearing it tbh.

What I'm getting at is that instead of worrying about whether HTT takes any pleasure in the idea this forum may not last, you should be directing your comment toward the person who started this daft thread. And also toward those who chipped in and followed up by slagging off people on another forum. It's a bit daft, don't you think? Don't you agree that this is what is petty minded? 58655[/snapback] We just differ in what we find entertaining I think. When someone makes a tongue in cheek comment about the quality of another poster/message board, as long as its amusing then I'll have a laugh. Although this forum is cliquey (I've admitted as much) I also think its very self-deprecating, and I think that is healthy. Thats the sort of humour that appeals to me-I can laugh at myself basically and I dont mind other people having a laugh at me either. I know that also applies to a lot of the people who HTT is branding snobby and arrogant etc etc. What i'm saying is HTT's responses smack of someone who cant laugh at himself. Which is simply exacerbated by the fact that he takes any observations about N-O way too personally. 58667[/snapback] I don't believe the comment was "tongue in cheek". Or the replies. 58676[/snapback] I don't imagine I'm going to persuade you otherwise either so I wont bother trying mate.

I don't really care to be honest. I know within myself, that's not true and I'd hope people who knew me enough, wouldn't see it like that because I'm not like that. I stand by all my comments and if you or anyone misreads them or misniterprets them as me wishing ill on this place, fair enough. I won't lie, I was mighty pissed off over the 'split' but more with myself for letting it happen and to be truthful, despite how gutted I was at first, it's been a blessing in disguise (and that's not a dig at this place or anyone), it's made me change how I view N.O - for the better in my opinion. I'm a Newcastle fan first and foremost, I have always preached from day one the importance of having many sites, many forums for NUFC fans to be able to use. Why do you think I was against any criticism of Nufc.com on N.O or other Toon sites? There has never been any criticism of this place on our forum either, not once. I certainly wouldn't be happy with that. Anyway, think what you like. You're wrong. 58664[/snapback] The point is though, (and the key difference) is that if there was criticism of this site on your site, I honestly couldnt give a monkeys toss! That's because I would see it as utterly fucking irrelevant to any problems with the current toontastic format. Despite what you say HTT, it's obvious to most (be it by your words or your tone, but certainly in a clear pattern of behaviour) that you do wish this site every misfortune. And that really is sad. Fair do's like.

By the tone of that anyone would think that HTT started the thread slagging off Toontastic. 58634[/snapback] To be honest Sammy was responding to what HTT said in his many essay like posts on this thread. That's how I see it anyway. 58638[/snapback] To be fair, I think HTT's 'essay' type posts were prompted by some people slagging his forum. I think you're getting a bit confused about the sequence of events here. Who's Sammy? 58647[/snapback] You misunderstand. HTT's response (smugly revelling in how toontastic will die because it's cliquey/snobby etc etc) has no relevance to an opinion expressed about the quality of the N-O forum (ie about it being unmitigated shite). The quality/type/nature of posts on here have absolutely no relevance to critical observations made about the standard of the N-O forum. I'm Sammy by the way. 58651[/snapback] Ah! Does everybody know? Anyway, I think you're wrong on a couple of things. First, I don't see any sign of HTT appearing smug. That's your imagination imo. Second, Your position on the relevance or otherwise of HTT's comments about this forum, comments that were posted in response to uncalled for criticism of his forum, makes no sense to me. You appear to believe it's fine for people on here to slag his forum, but then you become defensive when he responds with critical comment about this forum. Why is that kind of response not relevant? Put yourself in his position, his forum has been slagged, what do you expect him to post assuming you accept he has a right to post? Are you expecting him to sing the praises of this forum? 58663[/snapback] Basically, to summarise....does him saying this forum is shit make his forum any less shit? Not that I'm associating myself with any of the views expressed...but that should illustrate where I'm coming from re 'relevance'.

What I'm getting at is that instead of worrying about whether HTT takes any pleasure in the idea this forum may not last, you should be directing your comment toward the person who started this daft thread. And also toward those who chipped in and followed up by slagging off people on another forum. It's a bit daft, don't you think? Don't you agree that this is what is petty minded? 58655[/snapback] We just differ in what we find entertaining I think. When someone makes a tongue in cheek comment about the quality of another poster/message board, as long as its amusing then I'll have a laugh. Although this forum is cliquey (I've admitted as much) I also think its very self-deprecating, and I think that is healthy. Thats the sort of humour that appeals to me-I can laugh at myself basically and I dont mind other people having a laugh at me either. I know that also applies to a lot of the people who HTT is branding snobby and arrogant etc etc. What i'm saying is HTT's responses smack of someone who cant laugh at himself. Which is simply exacerbated by the fact that he takes any observations about N-O way too personally.

Agreed absolutely and that of course is ultimately what will happen. Which at the risk of repeating myself, makes HTT's bickering even more sad!

I don't take obvious pleasure/comfort with my assertion, although I can see how my comments would read like that. I was just being honest, blunt even. I've seen it many a time with small forums and if I've learned one thing with football forums in particular, they rely on new members. Without new members, the chat becomes stale, been there, done it all before, and people get bored and before you know it, one top member just disappears, then another and so on and so on and it ends up floating about in cyber space. That's what I genuinly think will happen to this forum because it's not the most appealing website to "newbies", it looks great, works fantastic, like I said it's one of the best forums I've seen, but it has a snobby, patronising, almost false kind of feel to it and I'm not the only one to comment on that. Maybe that's just me or "us", maybe not. As ever the truth is in between. And as a NUFC forum, a lot of fans will not settle down here or set it as their home page if you like, some will, but the vast majority won't. I like to think I understand NUFC fans, having ran Nufc.nu, HTT and now Newcastle-online. And while I probably come across as arrogant, I think I know what makes them tick, what doesn't, what they want and what they don't. Online anyway. I hope it doesn't fade away or just die, and I mean that, not that anyone will believe me like. But I can honestly see it heading that way. Chayton and Sheargol have ran many forums no doubt, and I bet most have just fizzled out. I have too, 90% of them died despite my best efforts and large enough memberships. You can build the best site, the best forum, but it's people that make a site/forum. ALL KINDS. Based on some of the opinions on here, the likes of Taylor27 wouldn't be welcome on here, or would be constantly mocked etc. Hell, he's not even a member of this board, and he's being mocked. Whether he posts shit or is winding people up or not, these kind of threads on here reflect badly on this forum, it's members and it's chances of surviving to an ubiased, reading audience, or lurkers. I know this because we've got members who come our way, after having first tried this place, deciding to stick with us. Aye there is a lot of crap, but no-one looks down on anyone, there is no gang mentality, cliques or anything like that. Just people, their opinions and a platform to voice them. I guess that's why it's so popular, despite being "shite". I'm sure Chayton, Peasepud and Sheargol et al will work hard to keep this board alive, they already have with the games and such, but often it's the members themselves that have to work hard to keep a board going. Anyway, that's my opinion, as a member of this forum who will continue to use it (if I'm still wanted ), and as someone who runs a board where some of our members also use this board, this is my genuine thoughts/advice on this place, backed up with years of experience. Trust me, it will die a death if it continues to sneer at people and other sites, especially fellow fans. If fans hate one thing, it's being ridiculed by their own. Think about it. 58652[/snapback] I very much beg to differ.

By the tone of that anyone would think that HTT started the thread slagging off Toontastic. 58634[/snapback] To be honest Sammy was responding to what HTT said in his many essay like posts on this thread. That's how I see it anyway. 58638[/snapback] To be fair, I think HTT's 'essay' type posts were prompted by some people slagging his forum. I think you're getting a bit confused about the sequence of events here. Who's Sammy? 58647[/snapback] You misunderstand. HTT's response (smugly revelling in how toontastic will die because it's cliquey/snobby etc etc) has no relevance to an opinion expressed about the quality of the N-O forum (ie about it being unmitigated shite). The quality/type/nature of posts on here have absolutely no relevance to critical observations made about the standard of the N-O forum. I'm Sammy by the way.

By the tone of that anyone would think that HTT started the thread slagging off Toontastic. 58634[/snapback] I was trying to keep the tone as matter-of-fact as possible tbh mate and I think I succeded. Dont really know what you're getting at. And I stand by what I said regardless of who started the thread. I think in many ways the fact that he responds to comments on here makes it even more petty tbh. Whats the point in him criticising this place? I actually agree with the 'cliquey' observations but 1) thats partly his fault in causing the split and 2) how is that relevant to anything anyone might say about N-O? Would it prove or disprove their arguments? The answer is 'no' so then why say it? He does it because he's petty minded so he simply cant help it. It's just very very sad.

Opportunities for word plays on 'stitched up' folks....... Can you imagine it though. I'd want Alvin Stardust at the identity parade if I was Glitter. Vietnamese Witness: " I just don't know. They all look the same to me!"

He's been stitched up by Alvin Stardust tbh.

They'd want to be using armour piercing bullets if he had those shoulder pads on mind.

Agree. The Les Dennis, Kemp/Jones, Winslett episodes were great, the Ben Stiller one was so-so and the Patrick Steward and Samuel L. Jackson ones were disappointing. 58598[/snapback] I thought the Patrick Stewart one was brilliant in parts, but I cant help thinking a lot of that was to do with how well Stewart played his part. Though again you could equally argue that that was inspired casting on the part of Gervais/Merchant. The Sam Jackson one was shite like I agree. Very laboured material. Never saw the Stiller episode.

Jesus wept tbh! HTT, your website is actually very impressive indeed and you should be rightfully proud of 90% of it's features. I mean that sincerely. I think its developing into a brilliant resource for all things Newcastle United/Newcastle the city. The forum is also an awful lot more popular than this one going by numbers and posts. You're also right that theres a good chance that this forum will 'die'. The place needs new posters and I think it will struggle to get them because people wont 'stumble across it' in the same way they do with N-O or the old toontastic- ie. because its just a forum and so wont have people browsing a well linked general interest website before coming across the forum inadvertently. I think thats the biggest concern I have about the new place. I will say this however. I think that the fact that you take very obvious pleasure/comfort in the fact that toontastic might well one day fail is pretty fucking petty and childish. You know why this place was set up-you even openly admit it was as a direct result of mistakes you made in trying to impose your N-O 'brand' on people who had absolutely no affinity with it. To admit this was a mistake of your own making therefore, only then to come out with the rest of your diatribe exposes you for a pretty sad individual imho.

Laaaaavly Jabbly!

Jesus wept!

Gemmill is widely acknowledged as the biggest deterent to homosexuality on the planet today.

The bastard beat my "unbeatable" golf score aswell. Twat 57038[/snapback] Strange for a gay to be so good at computer games? 57060[/snapback] Spongebobs a fruit? 57063[/snapback] He is from Brighton. 57068[/snapback] Case closed. Case locked. Key thrown away. 57070[/snapback] Alex's favourite holiday spot. Where he visits his "female" friends. I've tried telling him that just because he gives and they take, it doesn't make them female but he'll not have it. 57074[/snapback] I know he likes to get down there for the annual Richard Fairbrass parade like. 57075[/snapback] I'm too sexy for my hair. 57077[/snapback] If you find alopecia sexy that is.