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question for you Craig, seeing as you can't name too many you would prefer to Shepherd. How do you rate this lot : Westwood Seymour McKeag Forbes SJH Shepherd and this little lot Ken Bates Doug Ellis Bob Murray Milan Mandrovic [whatever his name is] Rupert Lowe ? Brown [West Ham] Peter Ridsdale Mohammed Fayed ? [Everton] ? Gould [those 2 blokes at Birmingham] Delia Smith Sam Haman [Cardiff] Freddie Shepherd .... to name the more high profile ones ....... 67520[/snapback] Why are you listing past Newcastle chairmen and chairpersons of other clubs? Shepherd is still shite IMO - saying he's not as shit as x, y or z is not going to make him better IMO.

Can't quite get my head around the reason for this attack, but I'm only saying I don't think he will be good enough, and no I don't think there is anything wrong at all with making a quick decision about a footballer. See above. My opinion is it is very easy to call the shots with hindsight, and those who knock Shepherd are doing just that, using hindsight. The VAST MAJORITY of Newcastle supporters backed these appointments, if however you didn't, well done for commendable vision. Now, THAT is a sweeping statement if ever I saw one. I notice not one person, has taken up my suggestion of listing the premiership chairman who look after their clubs and back their managers better than Shepherd. Not one, including you. If you are going to say he is so crap, that should be a fairly easy task. The fact that you can't, puts him among the better ones, despite his faults. Now THAT is all I have ever stated, nothing more nothing less. Is that CLEAR ? 67092[/snapback] Here we go with comparisons again..... Leazes, if every chairman in the Football League was shitter than Freddy Shepherd (which IMO they're not), he still wouldn't be good enough for Newcastle United. Measuring the qualities of someone's ability can and should be done without comparing them to others... For the record, I think: Hill Wood (Arsenal) Moores (Liverpool) Buck (Chelsea) Glazer (Man Utd) Gibson (Boro) Levy (Spurs) Whelan (Wigan) All do a better job of managing their clubs (I don't mean simpily financially) than Freddy Shepherd does. 67374[/snapback] I'm sure Leazes has repeatedly said (and I agree) that the limited supply of suitable replacements for Souness is not an acceptable reason for keeping him in the job. Surely the same applies to Shepherd. 67384[/snapback] I have, and I agree [this is an answer to craig too], however the main difference is we can't get rid of Shepherd ........ he isn't sackable, and while we could easily do a lot worse than Shepherd, we couldn't do much worse than Souness, who to be honest for my money is someone I would never have considered, full stop. My sig isn't for nothing. 67518[/snapback] Your sig has nothing to do with Shepherd!

How can you tell if they're from N/O or not by their IP address? 67592[/snapback] Do you dare to question the GEEKMASTER???? 67612[/snapback] Was just thinking though, the only way he'd know is if he performed an IP check on every member of N/O and every member on here and tried to match them up. 67618[/snapback] Piece of piss - every guest has an IP address, clicking on it gives me detail of all users who have used that IP. Most of them match with certain people from N-O who have signed up here.... Call yourself an admin?

It's amazing how many of the IP addresses of the current 'Guests' match with people from N-O tbh.

he's disappeared off the face of the earth apparently...

Time to put a mimimum post quota on there me thinks... 67486[/snapback] You mean I'll have to annoy Gemmill with my own brand of pessimism before I can use it? Oh goody. 67488[/snapback] Only Gemmill? Think there's a few more than that.... Tis rather unique though

Time to put a mimimum post quota on there me thinks...

They've outgrown us mate, we're not worth the effort anymore. 67469[/snapback] They might have grown up but we haven't! Board invasion anyone? 67470[/snapback] Already there

Testing account - not meant for posting!

Homo! 67442[/snapback] 1 Gemmill 974 posts

Look, here they come...

How long before the alarm bells start ringing over there?

I agree as well... However Leazes seems to think for some reason that Shepherd IS doing a good job...

Would have been 4 if you hadn't stuck your snout in!

You're ignoring the business side of the football business there, the industry itself isn't really about football, he's a good business man, and that should not be underestimated. Really the only thing a chairman needs to know about football is which manager to hire and when to fire. I think if he had a football savvy chief executive they could be the best pair in the premiership. 67220[/snapback] It happens all over the place. 4 years ago, my company appointed an IT Applications Manager with no IT experience on the basis that he was a successful Management Consultant for Coopers & Lybrand. While he had excellent management skills, he was fucking hopeless in the role as he didn't understand the industry he was working in and therefore had no appreciation for the unavoidable constraints which delayed project work and therefore left him with egg on his face when his unrealistic promises (which he'd never OK'd with us) failed to be met... He lasted a little over 2 years before being made redundant in a department re-shuffle...

Can't quite get my head around the reason for this attack, but I'm only saying I don't think he will be good enough, and no I don't think there is anything wrong at all with making a quick decision about a footballer. See above. My opinion is it is very easy to call the shots with hindsight, and those who knock Shepherd are doing just that, using hindsight. The VAST MAJORITY of Newcastle supporters backed these appointments, if however you didn't, well done for commendable vision. Now, THAT is a sweeping statement if ever I saw one. I notice not one person, has taken up my suggestion of listing the premiership chairman who look after their clubs and back their managers better than Shepherd. Not one, including you. If you are going to say he is so crap, that should be a fairly easy task. The fact that you can't, puts him among the better ones, despite his faults. Now THAT is all I have ever stated, nothing more nothing less. Is that CLEAR ? 67092[/snapback] Here we go with comparisons again..... Leazes, if every chairman in the Football League was shitter than Freddy Shepherd (which IMO they're not), he still wouldn't be good enough for Newcastle United. Measuring the qualities of someone's ability can and should be done without comparing them to others... For the record, I think: Hill Wood (Arsenal) Moores (Liverpool) Buck (Chelsea) Glazer (Man Utd) Gibson (Boro) Levy (Spurs) Whelan (Wigan) All do a better job of managing their clubs (I don't mean simpily financially) than Freddy Shepherd does.

This coming from the man who has more or less admitted that he thought Dalglish would do a lot better than he did? Wait and see, make your judgement after he's played regularly and 100% fit. 66931[/snapback] It's made mate, he'll be gone in less than 2 years for half what we paid for him, at the most 66935[/snapback] Perhaps he will. I seriously don't know, but I'm willing to give him a crack at it, which is more than what you appear to be doing. He plays for Newcastle United - he gets my full support.. 66980[/snapback] why do you think he doesn't get mine ? Just because I don't think he's good enough, or will be good enough. What is wrong with that ? What you are really saying, is that because someone plays for Newcastle, you have to say you think they must be a good player .... 67090[/snapback] You miss the point again. I don't know if he's good enough - neither do you though. Time will tell. What I am definitely not saying is that ridiculous statement you've just made up I can only imagine to destroy any debate. If that was the case, why the hell have I stated that I think Faye, Butt, Boumsong, etc are not good enough? Supporting a player and thinking that their good enough are two seperate issues.

Suddenly? He never has been good enough - his latest faux pas is the failure to get Given's contract sorted out. If he leaves, the chairman has a huge slice of responsiblity IMO.

He was in place for around 12 months IIRC. He replaced McKeag (who had to resign along with John Hall in the wake of the failed share issue in December 1990), replaced Jim Smith with Ardiles in April (odd time of the year for a managment change) and then was replaced himself by John Hall in December 1991. His spending totalled the arrival of Franz Carr and nothing else. He never dipped his hand in his pocket at any other time. Short-term or not, he was an absolute disaster in terms of being able to fund the management.

Agreed... And a striker playing on the wing and not whinging like fuck about it?

Proper football fans would have been at the match though, and getting pissed in the pub at night. 66981[/snapback] True My sooperfan status is gone

Predictably pointing out that you were being hypocritical. 66932[/snapback] Only hypocritical if I'd claimed the comment in the People was 'sound' 66977[/snapback] By starting the thread and calling it "Speaking of Souness contradictions...", the implication was there for all to see. 66982[/snapback] Never claimed it was sound - stop being a pedantic fucker!

This coming from the man who has more or less admitted that he thought Dalglish would do a lot better than he did? Wait and see, make your judgement after he's played regularly and 100% fit. 66931[/snapback] It's made mate, he'll be gone in less than 2 years for half what we paid for him, at the most 66935[/snapback] Perhaps he will. I seriously don't know, but I'm willing to give him a crack at it, which is more than what you appear to be doing. He plays for Newcastle United - he gets my full support..

An interesting observation, conclusive proof if any were needed how pointless these mind numbing statistical polls are. 66934[/snapback] Pointless unless they prove that Bellamy was better than what we have though, eh?

Predictably pointing out that you were being hypocritical. 66932[/snapback] Only hypocritical if I'd claimed the comment in the People was 'sound'