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That report is a survey of the top universities in the UK. Have those universities fired scientists or are you talking out of your arse?

Team May. Zooooooom

Of course there's been negatives, but a lot of that in politics is due to the hand you are dealt. Tony Blair inherited a growing economy at a time when the world was doing ok. (Put aside discussions on bubbles etc), Cameron inherited an economy following the crash. Every PM that's ever been would have preferred Blairs circumstances than Cameron's. He was a very modernising leader that changed the party from the "nasty" party, made it electable again and doubled the number of MP's.

166 MP's when he took over, 306 when he left. Conservatives strongly moved to the centre ground of British politics. Over 2.5 million new jobs / record employment Turned Britain from the shambles he inherited to best performing economy in the western world. Gay marriage Reduced the deficit by £80 billion Record spending on the NHS Took millions of low paid out of income tax. Etc etc etc

Good PMQ's. Farewell sweet prince

Well they are bound to really given we are leaving. At least this sort of funding going forward can be decided by future UK politicians.

Let's keep that to the EU thread.

This ones not bad from a year ago today

True. 2 general elections and a referendum.

Btw, there's an old chap at Parliament green in the background of all the news channels. He's carrying a placard and his little dog has a sandwich board on

At the end of the day, conservatives have this sewn up til at least 2025. That gives a new party 9 years to get its act together.

Airbus CEO: "We are committed to UK. Brexit won't affect our relationship". Contrary to what Osborne said.

It's a numbers game though. Libs only have 8 mp's and labour are due to lose at least 16 mp's before the next election.

It was that sort of thinking that just returned a Tory majority.

So over the last 8 years you've come to the conclusion I'm neutral.

So Owen Smiths running. Any good? Could he unite you Labour folk?

Pretty apt after tonight as well.

But the fact that nobody believes in them enough should tell you something. I compared his leadership challenge at the time to Syriza in Greece. They won power promising all sorts of goodies that they never had a hope of achieving. It's the same with the far left. Promise to nationalise or fix everything, print a bit of money and it will all be ok. The talk is always very appealing but try and thrash them out into a costed manifesto and it falls apart. You surely agree there isn't a hope in hell of Corbyn winning the 2020 election? Is it worth destroying the Labour Party to let him play at this for another 4 years. He should have come out the meeting tonight statesmanship like but bemoaning two wasted months having a leadership race but instead he was beside himself with excitement at the debates to come up and down the country. It's just a game to him. Watch Newsnight as well to see what's happening at grass roots level. Eagles constituency overrun by momentum people who only joined labour last year and are now running the operation. Deselection seems the key word going forward. Wouldn't surprise me if the leadership is called off and they all jump ship now and give themselves 4 years to re-brand.

Labour didn't help themselves with Foot and Kinnick though and if you fast forward to 2010 - 2015, D Milliband was a popular politician and would have been fighting a Tory party having completed 5 years of austerity. I still believe he would have done a lot better than Ed. As for Corbyn, his cult grew because a young generation of activists were hearing that intoxicating far left promise of a new world for the first time. It always sounds so tempting but is never actually achievable which is why it falls flat at the polling station. Anyway. C'est la vie.

Basically, it didn't have to be this way.

That's the reputation they had in 79, 18 years later they were back in power. (As soon as they moved centre and got a proper leader). Dave Milliband in 2010 would have won in 2010 or at the very least run a coalition. Letting a few hundred thousand angry students take over the membership via social media has turned it into the Corbyn cult. Sure I'll poke a bit fun as a Tory, but this is a very dark day for politics.

They've already got a majority which will increase with the boundary changes. Meanwhile UKIP are going to pick off the Labour heartlands. It's over.

It had a chance of re-building once rid of Corbyn and momentum. Now it's just handed Theresa May a guaranteed 2nd term.

And that's never coming.