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Honestly can't say I feel like a second class citizen. As a white Englishman, I knoooooow I'm a second class citizen. Danny B highlighted it perfectly here.... He also ignored my reply that I work in the city as he claims to do and there are virtually no non-white workers within miles of the place (except the cleaners of course).

I said this replying to Danny earlier - none of the top jobs in public service or big business are held by minorities. I would have said council's have a rep for being too pro-active but if you say otherwise then that's another one - I did know a lad a few years ago though who was Southwark's council's favourite son as he was Irish, gay and had a black boyfriend. In some ways immigrants can;t win - if you say unemployment among Asians in say Lancashire is above average then they're scroungers, if it was lower then they're taking "white" jobs.

The bloke with the "behead those who insult Islam" poster did get 6 years like. How do you think you are treated as a second class citizen - honest question?

Only 17 members in the whole of Chelmsford - not bad - don't know anyone.

That's fine by me if they still went to the Metro centre or maybe the match or for a meal in town. I'm sure that some do but as I say having their own schools, rarely marrying outside their group and erecting a sort of fence around them is wrong imo. No need to have a pop at the Jews like that. The thing is I have great admiration for Jewish pride in their culture and their loyalty to thatr notion but at the same time looking back on history I think their "insistence" on living seperately has done them no favours when it comes to the obvious persecution. I realise on some occasions they won't have had a choice of course.

That's fine by me if they still went to the Metro centre or maybe the match or for a meal in town. I'm sure that some do but as I say having their own schools, rarely marrying outside their group and erecting a sort of fence around them is wrong imo.

I think the "Muslim country in 60 years" is obviously shite but the underlying fear behind that is as you say reasonable. However I think the constitution both you and I would like to see is a long way off linked as it is to the monarchy. Having said that I'm hoping the idiocy of the jug-eared twat might open up a debate when he finally gets in which might see progress. I have to say I like the idea on mulitcultarism in principle - I would hate to see a homegenised society where everyone is "English" (whatever that really means) but the isolation of some communities is a stumbling block. It's not just Muslims on this btw - there are communities as far ranging asas orthodox jews and Scottish highlanders who I think lead very insular existences. I wouldn't force openness on theme but I'd certainly encourage it

My great-grandparents are all in the 1901 census in Jarra or Shields (one couple had moved to Jarra in about 1880). I think my surname however has its roots in Ireland or the Isle of Man.

I think I said in my first post in this thread that the privacy angle was something I agree with. I also think sacking people for membership is a dangerous road to travel down but at the same time companies and organisations have to consider their reputation. I know the BNP is legal and I think that's fair enough but to some extent I do think that people have to think carefully before they join simply because of their history and their reputation. It's still McCarthyism though (whether officially sanctioned or a blind eye turned by the back-door). It doesn't make it any better just because people happen to agree with it....... because the next time maybe people won't happen to agree with the group chosen for exclusion/prejudice. And of course it's impossible to decry and yet support prejudice at the same time with any moral credibility. Which is what I genuinely don't understand legally, either the party is illegal or it's not, it's a strange shadowy world where it's legal, but semi-illegal too. It is strange - I remember a lot of outrage stemming from McCarthyism which was aimed at people who were falsely accused which I found the wrong angle as they should have been outraged for the people who were communists which should have been okay (as long as they weren't spys obviously). I think people are a bit wary of the BNP for two reasons - the history of thuggery and the association with the right which makes people think of Hitler. Having said that I remember a World in Action years ago where a company was selling businesses list of people who were communists or SWP members. I'd like to see a world where there is no discrimination based on opinions/beliefs but sometimes I think there has to be limits. What those limits are I think is up for debate.

Why on earth did you get that done? Must've been worried in case he had the rogue mackem gene given his location. For more ammo for you (though no Mackem) - it also made me do a bit of genealogy which showed I have roots 3 or 4 generations ago in Cumbria and Berwick (as well as solid Shields and Jarra) - I presume you can prove centuries in Newcastle.

Didn't realise he mentioned crime as well - don't forget to mention the free rifle for every white male from the BNP.

Why on earth did you get that done? Being eliminated from enquiries would be my guess. It's a while since I left any DNA anywhere incriminating

Why on earth did you get that done? Just personal interest after reading the books with the methodology/existing data in them.

I had my genes categorised earlier this year - it was both interesting and to some extent diappointing in that I am distinctly "average" belonging to the most common male and female groupings. This was a basic test though - you can get more sequences analysed which provides more granularity but that costs a bit more.

Most british people are "celtic" in the sense we are descended in the main from what is known as the "AMH" genetic group (Atlantic Modal Hablotype I think). This refers to people who re-populated europe after the last glacial max from refuges which included the Basque area. Whats interesting is that depsite all of the invasions/immigarion, most people still belong in some sense to this group - though the picture is confused by the fact that the Angles, Saxons, Vikings and Normans also were broadly descended from AMH type ancestors. I've read both Oppenheim's and Sykes' books on british genetics and its an interesting subject. It does show that nearly all brits are very much one with the rest of Europe.

What changes did Labour make that makes them responsible? If anything the minimum wage should mean less people can claim to be better off not working than under Tory anything goes policies. Did you care about the underclass when there was at least twice as many unemployed under the Tories? If you think that the 3m reached by the tories is going to go as deep as the current lot you have another thing coming. Labour took the control of the UK markets out of the control of BOE and handed it to the incompetent FSA. We are now paying the price. Do you for one moment think the Tories would have regulated the banks any differently? The de-regulation was inline with the rest of the world - you can blame global capitalism but not individual governments.

What changes did Labour make that makes them responsible? If anything the minimum wage should mean less people can claim to be better off not working than under Tory anything goes policies. Did you care about the underclass when there was at least twice as many unemployed under the Tories?

What long term gain? For whom? 90% of this country. The Tories handed over an economy on the up to Gordon Brown and Labour. Rather than making the most of the boom times handed to them, Labour borrowed heavily in a boom, sold gold at an all time low and built an economy on a consumer credit house of cards. 90% is a massive exaggeration, the gold sale was an EU directive, it was the Tories who relaxed credit controls and the only reason Labour had to borrow was because the people of this country are too stupid to realise you have to increase taxes to pay for things they want.

Depends what your basis is. I have no opposition to EU worker migration or skilled immigration of any kind. I am opposed to Asian immigration of "peasants" by extended family/arranged marriage because I don't feel they come here for the right reasons which benefit the country. I think in those terms any debate is fine. If on the other hand people start talking about too many Poles taking our jobs or too many blacks moving in then I think using the racist label is fair enough because people who cry about being called racist never seem to object to the huge numbers of Aussies etc who come here.

What long term gain? For whom?

Are you saying someone could join the BNP and not realise what they are all about? That person would be a moron to an incredible degree - as Skol said if you have very strong ideas on immigration then the UKIP is a lot less nasty

The association is there though - I think a decent level of patriotism is fine in the sense of a community of people. However when that becomes "The English are better than everyone else" its sets off down a road that I don't like - it ends up with shit like booing national anthems as an example. I think the way football hooligans embrace nationalism and tend towards BNP support says it all really - its the thug end of the market no matter how legitimate they try and sell themselves.

Didn't you say you work in the city? I work in an investment bank there and out of about 130 people I can think of one black and two Asian workers. I sometimes get the single/childless angle myself but the "white" part is fucking bollocks.

I think I said in my first post in this thread that the privacy angle was something I agree with. I also think sacking people for membership is a dangerous road to travel down but at the same time companies and organisations have to consider their reputation. I know the BNP is legal and I think that's fair enough but to some extent I do think that people have to think carefully before they join simply because of their history and their reputation.

11 years of labour rule. It has fostered a "I dont have to do anything I dont want to attitude in England". We need a Tory government who are willing to act like a tory government to get these fucks back into society and functioning again. If thety dont, let them starve IMO. Who was in power when the parents of the "problem generation" were growing up? WHo preached the greed is good mantra? Who were happy to have 4.5m on the dole as part of monetarism?