NJS

Trouble is Iceland is probably the size of a large corporation in terms of "turnover" but they've got carried away with credit and trying to be a player beyond their means. Banking is all a house of cards - the stupid thing is nothings really changed apart from confidence - the US government should have taken on the bad debt a lot earlier and converted the loans to rent.

So what would make January different from the last 3 windows?

Watched the first 2 eps of Eli Stone tonight - enjoyed it but it fell short of unmissable in the future.

The link doesn't work but mine was Ollie Burtons Testamonial Vs the Mackems in May 1973 - we won 2-1 - both scored by John Tudor.

I don't care how long they've been doing FGM - it's fucking evil and I have the right to say so. If Muslim clerics say that western women are whores they have the right to say so - where did I say they didn't? They also have the right to be offended by The Satanic Verses - however if they threaten to kill the author then I have the right to object. There are certain aspects of morality which are pretty universal - I would like to think that mutiliating or murdering your daughters or pimping them out when they are pre-pubescent would be ones we could all agree with - if people don't then I have the right to condemn their culture as rotten.

Our putting it this way we should have the absolute right to offend even if we're too polite to do so.

Don't agree - All ideas and especially from my pov religions are there to be questioned, derided and if necessary attacked. The limit should be incitement which is covered by law - but then again I could make a good case for prosecution of the publishers of the bible and the koran for incitement to racial hatred but I'd guess it would be thrown out because of over-respect.

Why is one domesticated animal off the menu while others aren't? They may have been "created" by man for slightly different purposes but the mechanism is the same.

Yep good old fashioned invasion on a blazing hot day - what football used to be all about - supermarkets emptied of beer to be supped on river banks. (We did play them in the cup about 6 years ago which was another good day out on a smaller scale)

I assume you're referring to Ashley and Joe? Yeah sorry - the cheat brothers as I think of them.

Being a bitter twat I'd like to see Keane leave SAFC. I'd also like to see one of the fuckers I really hate like Gerrard, Lampard or either Cole get a bad injury.

Isn't satire supposed to mock the truth and not just state it?

Wouldn't she have been Welsh though - what's that in sheep years? (As I said at a push puberty is "acceptable" - certainly more so than 9).

You know damn well what I meant - the good stuff not how it depressingly really works

I think you can take into account changes in morality but saying you can't judge altogether is wrong. I don't see anything wrong with saying that cannibalism, slavery, religious persecution and genocide were still wrong even if they were the norm for the period or the culture. I don't get this thing where people say that we can't use modern western cultural morality to judge things like FGM as different cultures are "none of our business" - I'm not a moral absolutist based on any religious dogma but I'm still "proud" of that modern western morality and I don't care when or where things I consider immoral take place. Having sex with 9 year olds falls into that category.

I'll hold my hands up and say I thought the same - always thought he was a good player and I'm more disappointed than most that he's been shit.

I would imagine throughout history that women have been married at younger than 16 which is sort of "acceptable" allowing for the times but I think 6/9 is beyond the pale. Even if the general "rule" was that puberty = womenhood, not many girls hit puberty at 9.

From what I've read about the case, the book does appear to be a bit exploitative which I can see causing offence (which doesn't excuse violence) but I'm happy for more exposure about the fact that people whose prophet consumated a marriage with a 9 year old, have absolutely no right to lecture anybody on morality. I know they were different times with political marriages etc but that's no excuse - I was reading a couple of weeks ago that Mary Queen of Scots was betrothed to the Dauphin as a toddler but the marriage/consumation didn't take place until she was 18 or so.

That bits okay and fair enough but in the full piece he whinges about being sacked saying talk of relegation was ridiculous which I ever so slightly dispute.

Did he ever use Q award winner as his criteria though? The fucker tried everything else. (I vaguely remember him naively trying Grammies without any research)

It's hilarious but I'd like to see him prosecuted for hate speech - just for the hell of it . Also - "Fellatio Kills" - aside from heterosexual anal sex, how many of his "parishoners" is he condemning to hell?

Somone at the box office told a mate of mine a few weeks ago that 25 points would be enough in the end - I'd wait a while if I was you.

I think they're a decent team with Cahill - without him they are mid-table drudge.

Aye, can't hlep but feel if we'd had KK and a fully fit squad we'd of mullered Hull, West Ham, Blackburn and Everton - because they've all been pretty poor against us. Would have us on 16 points When the fixture list came out, assuming defeat at OT, I thought we'd have about that many by now - only Villa and Chelsea as good teams to play before xmas as well - bastards.

Games like this always frustrate me as I know we've battled and done well to get a point but at the same I know if we had a half decent team we'd bury the drug-dealing bastards.