Guest alex Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 As for HTT's points, I think one of Keegan's best assets was his ability to get top players to come here. If Shearer can emulate that he'll be half way there if/when he takes over the reins. 50638[/snapback] Steady on, man. 50702[/snapback] Why the comma? 50705[/snapback] It's a mistake. Why do you post shit? 50706[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChocChip 0 Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 When you guys say this player is a 'replacement' for that player i think it can lead to direct comparisons when maybe they're not applicable. Players can be just different and each will probably bring something different to the team. I really don't know the merits of Luque, never seen him play. Robert could provide great delivery but was not an intelligent user of the ball often imo. He could ping in a great cross but would also sometimes choose the wrong option. Sometimes he'd run with it and often lose it when passing it early would have been better. Often he'd stand about near the touchline with play going on in field just, i'd compare this to Pires who would often run a diagonal behind the full back and needs are fairly simple pass to make that move look great and incisive. Robert's movement off the ball wasn't very good imo. He was good when he had a bit of time and space to hit a good cross. He didn't have enough strings to his bow i think. I reckon Bellamy made Shearer and Robert look good because his movement created space for everyone. Won't ever deny Robert's assist record in whatever season it was but whatever pattern of play we were employing then, we either changed it or the opposition figured us out. As far as stats are concrened, Jenas always had a very high pass completion rate so i wouldn't use them to enforce an arguement. I'd like to see a stat for the % of successful opposition attacks (by that i mean a shot on goal) just after Robert lost us the ball, bet it would be pretty high! Is Owen a replacement for Bellamy, both quick with good movement, both even come with dodgy injury records? You can't say he's Shearer's replacement because he's a completely different type of player. Is Emre a replacement for Speed, Jenas or what Viana should've been? I don't suppose we'll have all the expensive players onthe pitch for long but if we ever do then we'll see how they play as a team and who contributes what and how. 50637[/snapback] 1. Want to make quite clear that I've never used stats to judge a player. However, as it is a stone cold fact that one player scored and created more goals than the rest of our midfield put together I'd suggest a good manager would try to get more from that player. It seems to be accepted by most that Mr Souness had it in for Robert and Bellamy the day he walked in the door. That's a lot of our attacking threat facing being booted out of the club. 2. It can be said that Owen is a replacement for Shearer on the basis that Owen is a goalscorer just as Shearer is. Owen is definitely not a replacement for Bellamy. 3. Clubs didn't 'figure us out' by getting to grips with Robert. What happened last season was that Mr Souness got rid of the pace and movement up front, which made it almost impossible for the midfielders to create anything. That's why we temporarily looked better when Dyer went up front ( example would be away to Sporting ). 4. The decline in our ability to break teams down started when Robson fell out with Solano. Again, nothing to do with Robert. 50701[/snapback] They're all good points. Re: (3) I thought that other teams looked like they figuring out Robert's game in his 2nd season with us tbh. He seemed to lose the ability or confidence to skip past a player if closed down quickly. I still think his movement off the ball was poor for a player of his ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol 0 Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Out of interest, because this thread has lost me but... 1) Who is Luque a replacement for? 2) Who is N'Zogbia a replacement for? 3) How has Owen replaced a player who is still in the team? 4) Who gave Chopra a contract? 5) Is Dyer a replacement for Bellamy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Lazaru 0 Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Out of interest, because this thread has lost me but... 1) Who is Luque a replacement for? 2) Who is N'Zogbia a replacement for? 3) How has Owen replaced a player who is still in the team? 4) Who gave Chopra a contract? 5) Is Dyer a replacement for Bellamy? 50719[/snapback] 1. For me its Robert with the added bonus that he can playup front if needed 2. Nobody really, he offers an option on the left, but sees himself ultimately as a central midfielder 3. Owen is Shearer's replacement for when he retires with the bonus that he is here before Shearer retires 4. I wouldn't keep him myself 5. If he could stay fit and score 15 a season then yes, if not he's an option in central mid, right mid and up front but not a replacement for Bellamy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howaythelads 0 Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Out of interest, because this thread has lost me but... 1) Who is Luque a replacement for? 2) Who is N'Zogbia a replacement for? 3) How has Owen replaced a player who is still in the team? 4) Who gave Chopra a contract? 5) Is Dyer a replacement for Bellamy? 50719[/snapback] 1. For me its Robert with the added bonus that he can playup front if needed 2. Nobody really, he offers an option on the left, but sees himself ultimately as a central midfielder 3. Owen is Shearer's replacement for when he retires with the bonus that he is here before Shearer retires 4. I wouldn't keep him myself 5. If he could stay fit and score 15 a season then yes, if not he's an option in central mid, right mid and up front but not a replacement for Bellamy 50746[/snapback] 5 out of 5. Why can't everybody understand it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol 0 Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Out of interest, because this thread has lost me but... 1) Who is Luque a replacement for? 2) Who is N'Zogbia a replacement for? 3) How has Owen replaced a player who is still in the team? 4) Who gave Chopra a contract? 5) Is Dyer a replacement for Bellamy? 50719[/snapback] 1. For me its Robert with the added bonus that he can playup front if needed 2. Nobody really, he offers an option on the left, but sees himself ultimately as a central midfielder 3. Owen is Shearer's replacement for when he retires with the bonus that he is here before Shearer retires 4. I wouldn't keep him myself 5. If he could stay fit and score 15 a season then yes, if not he's an option in central mid, right mid and up front but not a replacement for Bellamy 50746[/snapback] 5 out of 5. Why can't everybody understand it? 50765[/snapback] Because Luque is a striker, not a left winger. Why can't you understand that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sima Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 HTL arrogantly thinking Luque can't play 2 posistions :*) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zico martin 84 Posted October 29, 2005 Author Share Posted October 29, 2005 Out of interest, because this thread has lost me but... 1) Who is Luque a replacement for? 2) Who is N'Zogbia a replacement for? 3) How has Owen replaced a player who is still in the team? 4) Who gave Chopra a contract? 5) Is Dyer a replacement for Bellamy? 50719[/snapback] 1. For me its Robert with the added bonus that he can playup front if needed 2. Nobody really, he offers an option on the left, but sees himself ultimately as a central midfielder 3. Owen is Shearer's replacement for when he retires with the bonus that he is here before Shearer retires 4. I wouldn't keep him myself 5. If he could stay fit and score 15 a season then yes, if not he's an option in central mid, right mid and up front but not a replacement for Bellamy 50746[/snapback] So I take it you're optimistic that we'll still have Owen next year, Ive got my doubts to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sima Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 Owen will not be here next season tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Lazaru 0 Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 Out of interest, because this thread has lost me but... 1) Who is Luque a replacement for? 2) Who is N'Zogbia a replacement for? 3) How has Owen replaced a player who is still in the team? 4) Who gave Chopra a contract? 5) Is Dyer a replacement for Bellamy? 50719[/snapback] 1. For me its Robert with the added bonus that he can playup front if needed 2. Nobody really, he offers an option on the left, but sees himself ultimately as a central midfielder 3. Owen is Shearer's replacement for when he retires with the bonus that he is here before Shearer retires 4. I wouldn't keep him myself 5. If he could stay fit and score 15 a season then yes, if not he's an option in central mid, right mid and up front but not a replacement for Bellamy 50746[/snapback] So I take it you're optimistic that we'll still have Owen next year, Ive got my doubts to be honest. 50869[/snapback] Well thats certainly Freddy and Souness' intention to replace one all time great goal scoring legend and England international with another. I think he will still be here personally...and if he isn't we're fucked! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howaythelads 0 Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 Out of interest, because this thread has lost me but... 1) Who is Luque a replacement for? 2) Who is N'Zogbia a replacement for? 3) How has Owen replaced a player who is still in the team? 4) Who gave Chopra a contract? 5) Is Dyer a replacement for Bellamy? 50719[/snapback] 1. For me its Robert with the added bonus that he can playup front if needed 2. Nobody really, he offers an option on the left, but sees himself ultimately as a central midfielder 3. Owen is Shearer's replacement for when he retires with the bonus that he is here before Shearer retires 4. I wouldn't keep him myself 5. If he could stay fit and score 15 a season then yes, if not he's an option in central mid, right mid and up front but not a replacement for Bellamy 50746[/snapback] So I take it you're optimistic that we'll still have Owen next year, Ive got my doubts to be honest. 50869[/snapback] Well thats certainly Freddy and Souness' intention to replace one all time great goal scoring legend and England international with another. I think he will still be here personally...and if he isn't we're fucked! 50960[/snapback] Owen will go in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 Re Bellamy and him getting a slagging on here. I thought Bellamy was a good player when he was here and I still think he's a good player now. I also thought he was a total prick as a bloke while he was here and suspect he's still one now, although I'm subjected to less of it. Just to clear things up on that point. 50634[/snapback] but, according to the manager who decided we would get better results without him, "the only thing that matters is what they do when they cross the white line" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol 0 Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 Out of interest, because this thread has lost me but... 1) Who is Luque a replacement for? 2) Who is N'Zogbia a replacement for? 3) How has Owen replaced a player who is still in the team? 4) Who gave Chopra a contract? 5) Is Dyer a replacement for Bellamy? 50719[/snapback] 1. For me its Robert with the added bonus that he can playup front if needed 2. Nobody really, he offers an option on the left, but sees himself ultimately as a central midfielder 3. Owen is Shearer's replacement for when he retires with the bonus that he is here before Shearer retires 4. I wouldn't keep him myself 5. If he could stay fit and score 15 a season then yes, if not he's an option in central mid, right mid and up front but not a replacement for Bellamy 50746[/snapback] So I take it you're optimistic that we'll still have Owen next year, Ive got my doubts to be honest. 50869[/snapback] Well thats certainly Freddy and Souness' intention to replace one all time great goal scoring legend and England international with another. I think he will still be here personally...and if he isn't we're fucked! 50960[/snapback] Owen will go in January. 51012[/snapback] Can you move twice in a season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark 0 Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 Who cares really? Shit club, shit fans tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now