Chemtrails.

[Park Life 70]

[Park Life 70]

They are currently spraying the fuck out of Hamburg.

[Anth 54]

 

Read about these chemtrails before, briefly. Do you believe this Parky?

[Park Life 70]

Totally. But I didn't for a long time. I first became aware of it about 8 years ago and just would read the odd article and put it on the 'maybe' pile.

 

But IMO there is now overwhelming proof. Every morning in Hamburg the last few days the sky would start clear blue and then the spraying starts and as the atrtificial material drops the fine misty web develops what look like 'long' clouds. Most late afternoons are cloudy when they should be sunny. My mate went to the countryside over the w/e and said the sky was cloudless and the sun was a real burning hot (on the skin).

 

There is another media clip somehere cause the Germans are the only country who have semi-admitted to it according to questions in the EP. I'll try and find it.

 

Can it really be for gobal cooling? And why all the denial?

[Park Life 70]

Here you go mate. German military admits it.

 

http://www.livevideo.com/video/FA4FC1DA155...of-the-fir.aspx

[Anth 54]

Here you go mate. German military admits it.

 

http://www.livevideo.com/video/FA4FC1DA155...of-the-fir.aspx

 

Nice one, I will have a gander when I get in!

[Rob W 0]

Mrs W contacted the Met office during the first Ash close down on the subject

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Thank you for your email.

 

The exhaust from jet engines contains the by-products of the combustion of aviation fuel. These by-products contain aerosols (microscopic particles suspended in the air) and also water vapour (water in its gaseous form).

 

In certain atmospheric conditions these aerosols and water vapour can enhance the likelihood of condensation taking place (hence contrails).

 

There are fundamentally two forms of contrails; those that are non-persistent and those that are persistent:

 

If humidity and temperature are in the right balance (temperature must be below – 57 °C) these condensed trails cannot evaporate again and so persist for some time and can be dispersed into broader patterns by the wind at these altitudes. These persistent contrails can combine with other contrails from other aircraft to form what can effectively be described as high cloud. This can be very noticeable, especially if it occurs near air traffic route “hubs” where many aircraft converge.

 

On other occasions when prevailing humidity at altitude is low, the contrails can readily evaporate again and so are non-persistent.

 

There is, of course, a third form of “contrail” –and this is when prevailing atmospheric conditions cannot support either persistent or non-persistent contrails and they are then known as vapour trails. The vast majority of global aviation is from commercial airlines. Military aircraft account for, by comparison, a very small portion of all contrails.

 

Impacts of contrails:

 

Persistent contrails can reduce the amount of the sun’s energy reaching the surface of the earth (the so-called “global dimming” effect). This effect is small but measurable and has a very small cooling affect. Contrails at night-time, however, trap the earth’s heat and so have a warming effect. The net effect is therefore difficult to establish. The carbon dioxide emission from the burning of aviation fuel has a much more significant impact on the climate. Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas and so aviation, along with all other fossil fuel burning transport forms, is contributing to human caused global warming.

 

Whilst taking on-board the information above we need to remind ourselves why the aircraft are not flying - the volcanic ash that covers our skies which contains such substance as sulphur and other acidic material which is both abrasive and corrosive and to which would cause damage to aircraft engines.

 

Thank you for taking the time to contact the Met Office.

 

Kind Regards,

 

Tim Hill

Weather Desk Advisor

Met Office, FitzRoy Road, Exeter, Devon, EX1 3PB, United Kingdom.

Tel: 0870 900 0100 or +44 (0)1392 88 5680 Fax: 0870 900 5050 Email: enquiries@metoffice.gov.uk http://www.metoffice.gov.uk

 

Met Office Hadley Centre - No 1 in the world in the THES review of geosciences research centres

[Park Life 70]

Mrs W contacted the Met office during the first Ash close down on the subject

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Thank you for your email.

 

The exhaust from jet engines contains the by-products of the combustion of aviation fuel. These by-products contain aerosols (microscopic particles suspended in the air) and also water vapour (water in its gaseous form).

 

In certain atmospheric conditions these aerosols and water vapour can enhance the likelihood of condensation taking place (hence contrails).

 

There are fundamentally two forms of contrails; those that are non-persistent and those that are persistent:

 

If humidity and temperature are in the right balance (temperature must be below – 57 °C) these condensed trails cannot evaporate again and so persist for some time and can be dispersed into broader patterns by the wind at these altitudes. These persistent contrails can combine with other contrails from other aircraft to form what can effectively be described as high cloud. This can be very noticeable, especially if it occurs near air traffic route “hubs” where many aircraft converge.

 

On other occasions when prevailing humidity at altitude is low, the contrails can readily evaporate again and so are non-persistent.

 

There is, of course, a third form of “contrail” –and this is when prevailing atmospheric conditions cannot support either persistent or non-persistent contrails and they are then known as vapour trails. The vast majority of global aviation is from commercial airlines. Military aircraft account for, by comparison, a very small portion of all contrails.

 

Impacts of contrails:

 

Persistent contrails can reduce the amount of the sun’s energy reaching the surface of the earth (the so-called “global dimming” effect). This effect is small but measurable and has a very small cooling affect. Contrails at night-time, however, trap the earth’s heat and so have a warming effect. The net effect is therefore difficult to establish. The carbon dioxide emission from the burning of aviation fuel has a much more significant impact on the climate. Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas and so aviation, along with all other fossil fuel burning transport forms, is contributing to human caused global warming.

 

Whilst taking on-board the information above we need to remind ourselves why the aircraft are not flying - the volcanic ash that covers our skies which contains such substance as sulphur and other acidic material which is both abrasive and corrosive and to which would cause damage to aircraft engines.

 

Thank you for taking the time to contact the Met Office.

 

Kind Regards,

 

Tim Hill

Weather Desk Advisor

Met Office, FitzRoy Road, Exeter, Devon, EX1 3PB, United Kingdom.

Tel: 0870 900 0100 or +44 (0)1392 88 5680 Fax: 0870 900 5050 Email: enquiries@metoffice.gov.uk http://www.metoffice.gov.uk

 

Met Office Hadley Centre - No 1 in the world in the THES review of geosciences research centres

 

What a load of shit.

 

Contrails dissapear within minutes. Chemtrails are huge and hang for hours and widen and have atmospheric consequeces. The German military HAVE ALREADY ADMITTED IT ROB. Yet to see a contrail made up of micro-alluminium, barium and synthetic spider web material.

Edited May 26, 2010 by Park Life

[Rob W 0]

"The German military HAVE ALREADY ADMITTED IT"

 

Source??

 

as for a load of shit I presume you have a degree in Meteorology to go with your one in Elf-Speak??

[Park Life 70]

"The German military HAVE ALREADY ADMITTED IT"

 

Source??

 

as for a load of shit I presume you have a degree in Meteorology to go with your one in Elf-Speak??

 

It's in this thread. Blind as a bat.

[Rob W 0]

ah yes - "meteorologist Kursten Bradnt says that the military are manipulating the weather maps...." - another freaky conspiracy theorist but in Jorman this time

 

I don't see any admission other than the fact that they were holding military exercises with aeroplanes - which leave persistent con-trails as covered by the UK Met Office above

[Park Life 70]

ah yes - "meteorologist Kursten Bradnt says that the military are manipulating the weather maps...." - another freaky conspiracy theorist but in Jorman this time

 

I don't see any admission other than the fact that they were holding military exercises with aeroplanes - which leave persistent con-trails as covered by the UK Met Office above

 

Didn't watch the whole vid I take it.

[Park Life 70]

European Parliament: question on aircraft condensation trails which no longer only contain water

Strasbourg, France - By Erik Meijer (GUE/NGL)

 

(WAPA) - "Written question E-2455/07

by Erik Meijer (GUE/NGL)

to the Commission

 

Subject: aircraft condensation trails which no longer only contain water but cause persistent milky veils, possibly due to the presence of barium, aluminium and iron

 

1) Is the Commission aware that, since 1999, members of the public in Canada and the USA have been complaining about the growing presence in the air of aircraft condensation trails of a new type, which sometimes persist for hours and which spread far more widely than in the past, creating milky veils which are dubbed 'aerial obscuration', and that the new type has particularly come to people's attention because it is so different from the short, pencil-thin white contrails which have been a familiar sight ever since jet engines came into use and which remain visible for 20 minutes at most and can only be produced if steam condenses on dust particles due to low temperatures and high humidity?

 

2) Is the Commission aware that investigations by these complainants, observations by pilots and statements by government bodies increasingly suggest that what is happening is that aircraft are emitting into dry air small particles consisting of barium, aluminium and iron, a phenomenon which in public debate in America has come to be known as chemtrails?

 

3) Unlike contrails, chemtrails are not an inevitable by-product of modern aviation. Does the Commission know, therefore, what is the purpose of artificially emitting these Earth-derived substances into the Earth's atmosphere? Does it help to cause rain, benefit telecommunications or combat climate change?

 

4) To what extent are aerial obscuration and chemtrails now also being employed in the air over Europe, bearing in mind that many people here too are now convinced that the phenomenon is becoming increasingly common and are becoming concerned about the fact that little is so far known about it and there is no public information on the subject? Who initiates this spraying and how is it funded?

 

5) Apart from the intended benefits of emitting substances into the air, is the Commission aware of any possible disadvantages it may have for the environment, public health, aviation and TV reception?

 

6) What is being done to prevent individual European states or businesses from taking measures unilaterally whose crossborder impact other States or citizens' organisations may regard as undesirable? Is coordination already taking place with regard to this? Is the EU playing a part in it, or does the Commission anticipate a future role, and what are the Commission's objectives in this connection?". (Avionews)

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[Park Life 70]

“CHEMTRAILS” AND THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT

 

By W. Hall

Aigina, Greece

August 30, 2007.

 

Submission in the European Parliament of written questions on “chemtrails” by Dutch Socialist deputy Erik Meijer will be seen as a positive development by some activists. Are we witnessing the beginnings of a new phase in the years-long saga of this aerosol-spraying activity, and of the stigmatized opposition to it?. (See the present writer's: “Climate Change Jekylls and Hydes”). Meijer's written questions, under the heading “Aircraft condensation trails which no longer only contain water but cause persistent milky veils, possibly due to the presence of barium and aluminium”, are not the first such submission to have been tabled in a European legislature: in 2005 the Democratic Left deputies Italo Sandi and Piero Ruzzante raised similar questions in the Italian Parliament. More recently their political associates Asimina Xirotiri and Fotis Kouvelis did the same in Greece. But faced with the stereotyped and uninformative responses such questions receive from official spokespersons, the reaction of parliamentarians is to become discouraged - or at any rate inactive and inaccessible - perhaps not perceiving what they should do next and for that reason reluctant to have too much contact with citizens still pressing them for action and/or answers, whom they are obliged to confront “with empty hands”.

 

Objectively Erik Meijer has greater margins for action. Working inside the uncompleted institutions of the European Union, a citizen of one of the two nations that delivered the death blow to the first attempt to impose a politically unacceptable “constitution” on the European peoples, leading member of an ex-Maoist political grouping now able to field twenty-five deputies in the Dutch parliament, with one foot in such would-be institutionally pioneering milieux as the Social Forums, Meijer could take advantage of the political abdication of the European Commission, and the European political class generally, on this terrible subject. He could turn it to the benefit not only of the European Parliament but also of the citizens' movements seeking a voice inside and outside the Social Forums. Not to mention of European integration generally. He could be a hero.

 

 

 

They must all be making it up Rob.

 

You're wife wrote a letter to the met??! What do you do if you want news on Afghanistan write to the MOD? ha ha

Edited May 26, 2010 by Park Life

[Renton 17828]

Totally. But I didn't for a long time. I first became aware of it about 8 years ago and just would read the odd article and put it on the 'maybe' pile.

 

But IMO there is now overwhelming proof. Every morning in Hamburg the last few days the sky would start clear blue and then the spraying starts and as the atrtificial material drops the fine misty web develops what look like 'long' clouds. Most late afternoons are cloudy when they should be sunny. My mate went to the countryside over the w/e and said the sky was cloudless and the sun was a real burning hot (on the skin).

 

There is another media clip somehere cause the Germans are the only country who have semi-admitted to it according to questions in the EP. I'll try and find it.

 

Can it really be for gobal cooling? And why all the denial?

 

Fucking hell Parky, are you being serioud here? What are you proposing?

'They' are putting barium and other chemicals into aviation fuel to cool the planet?

Or 'they' are deliberately polluting organic vegetables so we'll have to buy GM food (as suggested by the OP video)?

Who is in on this global scandal - fuel manufacturers, air traffic control, meteorologists, government, the military, aliens?

 

Do you even know how utterly insane these conspiracy theories sound? Is there any conspiracy theory on the net you don't subscribe to?

 

Edwin Griffin, the person who is promoting the video, believes cancer is caused by vitamin B deficiency and that the medical profession is suppressing this truth. And he has the nerve to ask for a donation at the end of it so the truth can be told. Kerching!

[Mr Lahey 0]

IF you subscribe to one you have to subscribe to the rest. Them's the brakes Renton. I suppose you think this a coincidence:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQur_rsnc0o

Edited May 26, 2010 by Mr Lahey

[Cid_MCDP 0]

My favorite jet exhaust style is donuts on a rope produced by pulse detonation wave engines.

 

[Renton 17828]

IF you subscribe to one you have to subscribe to the rest. Them's the brakes Renton. I suppose you think this a coincidence:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQur_rsnc0o

 

OK, are you suggesting that is not a coincidence then? (Find it difficult to tell who is serious and who isn't when it comes to conspiracy theories).

 

As it happens, I missed that film, what else is going to happen?

[Mr Lahey 0]

Haven't watched it yet. Downloaded though. Something to do with aliens i heard. Which is an easy one as that is going to happen in November apparently.

 

I do like a conspiracy by the way. The NWO has to be the favourite at the minute. Especially as it isnt a theory anymore. It's all about how far you think they want to take it.

 

I had a thought lately. Maybe the aliens told us we need a world government before they/we could reveal them. Probably shite but i'm gonna put it here just in case

[Guest alex]

Smog over a city? Whatever next?

[Billy Castell 0]

Is this like some Charlie Sheen film The Arrival where he uncovers an alien conspiracy to cause global warming so the aliens can live on Earth?

[Park Life 70]

Totally. But I didn't for a long time. I first became aware of it about 8 years ago and just would read the odd article and put it on the 'maybe' pile.

 

But IMO there is now overwhelming proof. Every morning in Hamburg the last few days the sky would start clear blue and then the spraying starts and as the atrtificial material drops the fine misty web develops what look like 'long' clouds. Most late afternoons are cloudy when they should be sunny. My mate went to the countryside over the w/e and said the sky was cloudless and the sun was a real burning hot (on the skin).

 

There is another media clip somehere cause the Germans are the only country who have semi-admitted to it according to questions in the EP. I'll try and find it.

 

Can it really be for gobal cooling? And why all the denial?

 

Fucking hell Parky, are you being serioud here? What are you proposing?

'They' are putting barium and other chemicals into aviation fuel to cool the planet?

Or 'they' are deliberately polluting organic vegetables so we'll have to buy GM food (as suggested by the OP video)?

Who is in on this global scandal - fuel manufacturers, air traffic control, meteorologists, government, the military, aliens?

 

Do you even know how utterly insane these conspiracy theories sound? Is there any conspiracy theory on the net you don't subscribe to?

 

Edwin Griffin, the person who is promoting the video, believes cancer is caused by vitamin B deficiency and that the medical profession is suppressing this truth. And he has the nerve to ask for a donation at the end of it so the truth can be told. Kerching!

 

They don't put it in the fuel (it would fuck up the engines), they have dedicated pods for it.

 

As I said earlier I didn't belive it for a very long time, but I've seen it for myself now in Hamburg, Surrey and when I was in Basel.

 

The possible explanations are:

 

1. It is anti-satellite detection - a film of alu powder floating in the atmosphere stops satellite imaging. But then it would be a war game and not continuous. It's not a new idea, Saddam did almost the same thing by setting fire to the oil rigs.

 

2. It is a trial for global cooling, alu reflects sunlight and barium is a well known radiation leech. Combined they would have an effect of the fierceness of the sun.

 

3. It is old style weather mod (the Russians have been doing it for at least 30 years), to create more cloud formation and rain.

[Renton 17828]

Totally. But I didn't for a long time. I first became aware of it about 8 years ago and just would read the odd article and put it on the 'maybe' pile.

 

But IMO there is now overwhelming proof. Every morning in Hamburg the last few days the sky would start clear blue and then the spraying starts and as the atrtificial material drops the fine misty web develops what look like 'long' clouds. Most late afternoons are cloudy when they should be sunny. My mate went to the countryside over the w/e and said the sky was cloudless and the sun was a real burning hot (on the skin).

 

There is another media clip somehere cause the Germans are the only country who have semi-admitted to it according to questions in the EP. I'll try and find it.

 

Can it really be for gobal cooling? And why all the denial?

 

Fucking hell Parky, are you being serioud here? What are you proposing?

'They' are putting barium and other chemicals into aviation fuel to cool the planet?

Or 'they' are deliberately polluting organic vegetables so we'll have to buy GM food (as suggested by the OP video)?

Who is in on this global scandal - fuel manufacturers, air traffic control, meteorologists, government, the military, aliens?

 

Do you even know how utterly insane these conspiracy theories sound? Is there any conspiracy theory on the net you don't subscribe to?

 

Edwin Griffin, the person who is promoting the video, believes cancer is caused by vitamin B deficiency and that the medical profession is suppressing this truth. And he has the nerve to ask for a donation at the end of it so the truth can be told. Kerching!

 

They don't put it in the fuel (it would fuck up the engines), they have dedicated pods for it.

 

As I said earlier I didn't belive it for a very long time, but I've seen it for myself now in Hamburg, Surrey and when I was in Basel.

 

The possible explanations are:

 

1. It is anti-satellite detection - a film of alu powder floating in the atmosphere stops satellite imaging. But then it would be a war game and not continuous. It's not a new idea, Saddam did almost the same thing by setting fire to the oil rigs.

 

2. It is a trial for global cooling, alu reflects sunlight and barium is a well known radiation leech. Combined they would have an effect of the fierceness of the sun.

 

3. It is old style weather mod (the Russians have been doing it for at least 30 years), to create more cloud formation and rain.

 

So when you say it is a trial, you mean it is not standard practice for commercial planes? What proportion of planes do you think are using these pods? Are they exclusively military or are civilian planes used as well? And who is in on the cover up? Why is weather modification required over Germany? Who is funding the global cooling project and why is it secret? What is being covered up in Germany to prevent satellite detection now the cold war is over? Why is the OP video endorsed by a recognised conspiracy loon? Etc.

 

None of your motives makes sense to me and the idea of a wide scale cover up is simply not plausible.

[Park Life 70]

[Park Life 70]

Nice Orb soundtrack on this one.