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good for you wolfy - remember that's an aussie diagram and you'll need to factor in the coreolis effect to the wiring

will happily bet you a scottish five pound note that you don't !!

somebody should take the poor wee soul for a pint down the Strawberry - and listen to all his woes - any takers?

don't you go getting your tits in a fankle now wolfy

maybe if you did draw him the true wiring spec for the grid upload, wolfy would disagree with it and say you were a cynical barsted - he'd then try and wire it the other way and electrocute himself or blow his wheelie bin home sky high - best wait for a right sunny day to pass on the diagram so there' plenty juice flowing in them wires .... or maybe he doesn't believe in electriocution as a concept either!

agreed there's a bit of a difference but it's enough for a small club with a dwindling fan base to shove it over the edge - and I reckon there will be a few more in the next few years too - HMRC have realised there's no money in the game up here and are going in heavy on the assets.

In similar circumstances to The Rangers, it appears The Jam Tarts have a big AND a wee unpaid tax bill due to the HMRC - they even sing the same bigoted songs as their weegieland big brothers so nae sympathy - can't see many tightwad teuchter Hearts fans stumping up the cash to bail them out

after a trip to SJP you the the missus should get your arses back and support the accies at NDP - don't let the pandering to the blue filth stop you from supporting the lads - being 2nd bottom they'll need a bit of encouragement through the winter (unless you've got a taste for shopping that is) - enjoy the game at the weekend - we're up the other end in the Sir John Hall near enough to smell the london sheep shaggers and hopefully shove their fkin bubbles right back up their arses!

Absolutely not - we all support quality local teams (none of that old fim filth!) - you're right about the pissed up jocks bit though heh heh!

14 of us coming down to SJP with a bus a week on Sunday - leaving Glasgow at 8am - parking the bus near the Strawberry at midday - a few beers before the game - a few beers during the game - a few beers after the game - fukk knows when we'll get home! 4-1 Newcastle - no danger !

Was 16 stone 11 pounds when this pic was taken at our play-off game at start of June (I'm the baldy keeper) A bit of pre-season training, walking the dug a 2-4 miler every night, cycling to work (10 miles each way) twice a week and cutting out butter/cheese/crisps/biscuits down to 15 stone 2 - aiming for 14 stone. Height is 6ft3.

Found this earlier today - some wag referring Armstrong's shambles to Rangers ... "As reported today, Lance Armstrong will be stripped of his Tour De France titles. I have decided to call myself The Lance Armstrong, buy his old bike, claim his titles & demand entry into next years tour. If anyone objects I will call them a bigot. Lance Armstrong then, Lance Armstrong now, Lance Armstrong forever. We don't do cycling away......"

Not a leftfooter bud - detest the green filth the same level as I despise the blue filth (da's a taig and my ma is a hun - i'm just a balanced individual!) - ideal weekend was always when the PTFC won and the Irish Teams in Glasgow both lost. Bit of a silly statement from Green given that the club the Schrödingers Cat FC club he represents - in its' previous incarnation - was entirely founded on bigotry. Of course there is no evidence for this statement as he is essentially appealing to the knuckledragging element of The Rangers support to show he's on their side and happy to have the bigots back buying the tickets. As LM says they're not going away but statements like this are regrettable.

They still haven't transferred their single SPL share to Dundee FC - but despite this failure to transfer their SPL share AND their failure to gain full membership of the SFA within the allotted 14 day time period (ending today) , the beaks have given them a temporary licence to play their cup tie against Brechin on Sunday. In a Keegan style I would fkin love it, love it if Brechin could do them on Sunday - currently 7/1 and worth a punt.

that's exactly it - they want to have all the history associated with the oldco but they don't think they should have to accept any (as they quaintly put it) 'punishments' for the oldco - beggars belief it really does!

nope - apparently they are going be given a "temporary licence" to play the tie tomorrpw should close of business today not bring them the full membership status - corrupt as feck and another bend over to the huns - surely giving them a temp licence takes away any bargaining chips on the SFA/SFL side and makes them think they can keep getting away with failure to provide acceptable documentation. noticed that their status on the SFL site lists them as 1872 with all their trophies - surely a mistake as they are a new team with no honours.

It's all coming down to the wire tomorrow ... they need membership of the SFA by midnight or it's bye bye huns ... interesting to see that the SFL have removed all trace of Sevco FC from their website and they are now showing an invisible club 10 on the league table! http://www.scottishf...ll/third/table/

hit the nail on the head there - back in the 80s there were about 50 secondary schools in Glasgow and each school had a team (or teams) at each age group in the glasgow schools leagues - games were populated on the sidelines by scouts who cherry picked the best (most of our team were signed on s-forms) - then the teachers went on strike 84/85 and after the strikes most kind of tacitly walked away from extra-curricular sports in the schools altogether - same picture regrettably in other cities fast forward to today and there are now just 29 secondary schools - you'll be lucky to find a dozen schools in each age group so the numbers are not coming through as they used to be - even had a situation a few years ago where I had 30+ kids do a few training sessions ahead of the Saturday trial for the under 16s - only 3 showed up for the trial match with the 2 main reasons for a no-show being: (1) - I'm not getting up at 9 a.m. on a Saturday morning (2) - I dont need a trial - I should be in the starting 11 also had another crew about 6 years ago who had drawn 4 and lost 7 before the xmas holiday and refused to do any training after school on the wednesday afternoon - at the first meeting in January they informed me they had met and decided they "didn't like losing" so would not be playing any more games bottom line is the clubs up here have failed to invest and most of the kids couldn't give a monkeys as they have other things to do

It would appear that most of the digging in of heels is coming from Sevco FC - with a 14 day SFL deadline for membership of the SFA due to expire on Friday they are fast running out of time - and it would appear that their arguments and challenges to the authorities are effectively saying "we don't want to play this season ... we'll have a year out and re-enter the SPL2 next season and get back into the SPL in 2 years instead of 3" - a more cynical view of the asset stripping process would contend that those who have purchased the club are on the verge of folding and selling the assets at a profit. As if further evidence of the shambles was needed they have cancelled their tour of the Highlands sdcheduled for this week.

Car crash financial losses this season for TTFKAR (the team formerly known as rangers) as follows: According to published accounts: Operating expenses of Ibrox and training park (not including salaries) are £14m. Wages cut down to £5m gives a rough estimate of £19m. With little other revenue streams the majority of the money must be raised through tickets sales. Assuming they get 30,000 per game (as the glory hunters dwindle), 30000 x 18 league games x £12 (SFL3 agreed max entry fee) = £6.5m with a bit more for cup games etc A bit of a black hole in the income/expenditure figures. Membership wans't granted today and papers for the 'fit and proper person' investigation were incomplete and need resubmitted. 11 days to go to kick off but financial projections are losses of circa £10m for each of the next 3 years.

agreed - they are unfortunately not going anywhere (50k is a conservative estimate given the numbers they took to, and trashed, Manchester a few years back - estimated at 200k) - but there is an increasing risk that if they don't get their arses in gear that they might not start the season in 12 days time - especially if the SFA as rumoured are going to insist that the signing ban on the old company stands on the new company. all that aside - given their lack of pre-season games and training has been t*ts up too apparently - Brechin are looking like a decent £5 bet in the ramsdens cup

UM might not be far off the mark LM - with less than 2 weeks go to fulfilling their first fixture in the Ramsden's Cup, the SFA have yet to grant full membership (to upgrade them fro associate members) and have asked for the normal raft of 'new' club assurances that would normally have been covered in the formal application pack for SFL entry- including insurance, fire and safety certificates on the stadium, pay structure for the players, financial guarantees on ability to fulfil fixtures (which may include a bond upwards of £100k), entry prices, 'fit and proper person' running the club (will be investigated) as well as a whole host of other stuff including fairly anodyne stuff like conformity of advertiusement hoardings at a set distance from the pitch etc. The question is - will they get all necessary documentation in on time? There's also the small matter of their alleged shortage of players and the year long restriction in signing players ... they still continue to state that they only have about 13 players but they have arranged two Rangers XI friendlies on the 28th July (the same day as their Cup tie) so it would appear that they can field 3 sides with subs on the same day - perhaps putting the number of players in the region of 40+.

got what they deserved the dirty robbing thieving barsteds - lucky to be in the bottom league and getting a chance to play football at all this season - they are still banging on about it being a "punishment" the poor deluded ars*holes no doubt the blazers/masons at SFA will be having a late night tonight ahead of shady "meetings" early next week when they'll try and bin the SFL and make a brand new SPL2 with Sevco and "invites" to other clubs to join ... if that happens hope the 25 clubs who voted No tell the SFA to feck off and shove the invites right up their arses this shitey shambles isn't over yet

Current state of play is - looks like the huns will be rightly voted down to the bottom tier tomorrow. We'll then get a glimpse of how corrupt things really are up here as the blazers implement their Plan B. Third Division Clubs Position Annan Athletic Status: No Chairman Henry McLelland said: “Why should things be treated differently because it’s one of the big two clubs in the country? The argument can’t be moulded to suit one club over another. Rangers should go into Division Three.The alternative is they go nowhere.." Berwick Rangers Status: No Berwick Rangers Board tonight agreed unanimously that should the new Rangers FC be admitted to the SFL for the new season, that they would support a move directly into SFL Division Three. The Club has also taken on board the feelings of their Supporters Club, Supporters Trust and the countless individual fans who have contacted them directly. There will be no further statement from the club on this matter Clyde Status: No It is worth mentioning that three years ago Clyde made huge cutbacks in order to avoid defaulting on debt, and accepted that it would make an impact on their on-field performance probably for some years to come. They have been among the strongest and most eloquent critics of the SPL / SFA proposals. "The overwhelming reality is that we are being asked to make one of the most important decisions for Scottish Football in a vacuum devoid of factual information, that vacuum having been filled with unhelpful rhetoric and scaremongering by the chief executives of the SFA and SPL. In summary, the complete absence of information on Sevco Scotland Ltd renders it impossible to vote with any logic in favour of any of the Resolutions. The default in these circumstances would unfortunately be to vote against. We hope and trust that this unacceptable situation will be resolved swiftly and will allow Clyde Football Club to support Resolution 1 from an informed position and will see Rangers Football Club playing in SFL3. We see Resolution 2 as a matter of trust and it would take a change of personnel and attitude for us to be confident that David Longmuir would be entering discussions with a group of people committed to a collaborative process in a spirit of genuine partnership.In the current circumstances our only decision could be to vote against Resolution 2. Subject to a satisfactory outcome on Resolution 1 we would support Resolution 3." East Stirlingshire Status: Undeclared At least one news report has suggested that the Shire are in the No camp, but the club are yet to make any official statement. Elgin City Status: Undeclared Again, news reports have suggested that Elgin intend to vote No, but there has been no official statement. Montrose Status: Undeclared Another club who have not commented officially thus far. Peterhead Status: No Statement 12th July "Although football clubs from all leagues rely heavily on media revenue and sponsorship to survive, it is the fans that are the heart of the club. Our fans have made their feelings very clear over this issue and we have listened and taken on board all comments. We hope that voting to admit a Newco team into Division 3 will unite fans to vote with their feet to support their local team and help preserve our Scottish game." Queen's Park Status: No No statement Stirling Albion Status: Probable No Following a poll among their supporters, which favoured Newco going to the third division, the club announced this was the position they would take forward to the initial general meeting. It is anticipated, though not explicitly confirmed, that this will remain their position. Stranraer Status: No Stranraer are another club who have had to make major cutbacks to avoid defaulting on debt, so it is not a surprise that they have made one of the strongest official statements criticising the proposals to allow Newco straight into a higher division. "We are not convinced at the emotive language currently being aired to describe the potential ramifications to our game should a NewCo not be given special case treatment and consider that the benefits that could be negotiated do not counter balance the damage that would be done to the credibility of the SFL as a governing body." Second Division Clubs Position Airdrie United Status: Abstention Airdrie have already announced that they intend to abstain, as one of the clubs whose own divisional status would be affected by the decision of where to place Newco. This is consistent with their previous behaviour in similar circumstances in both 2008 and 2009. Albion Rovers Status: Probable Yes 12 July "Much has been said and written about sporting integrity. In normal circumstance we would have no hesitation in voting to place Newco Rangers in SFL Division3 but as a Board, we do now need to consider all of the implications before we make that call." . Alloa Athletic Status: Undeclared The most recent statement from Chairman Mike Mulraney says "We would also like to assure our fans that we will not be bullied into a decision by any outside influences, but will act in the best interest of Alloa first and Scottish football second. Sporting integrity will of course weigh heavily in any decision we make." Arbroath Status: No Statement 12th July "After considerable and careful deliberation, that had also taken place over many previous meetings, the Club reached the decision that it cannot support a proposal for Rangers Newco to be directly admitted to Division 1 of the Scottish Football League and that sporting integrity must be upheld. We are however in support of entry to the Scottish Football League in Division 3 for next season. The Club is extremely grateful to the large number of stakeholders and supporters who took time to contact the Club and express their views, which we felt very important in assisting us to make an extremely difficult judgement." Ayr United Status: Probable No There has been no official statement from the club, but chairman Lachlan Cameron has made some strongly critical statements in the media. "The Third Division would be the perfect place for Rangers. There is pressure for them to go into the First by the SPL and SFA but I believe they should go intothe Third." Brechin City Status: Yes Brechin released a statement before the July 3rd meeting saying they would be making no public comment prior to it. Nothing further has been heard and they are another unknown quantity at present. East Fife Status: No Like the other Fife clubs, East Fife have issued a fairly emphatic No. "The board of directors of East Fife FC, however, is unanimous in its view that we shall not support any integrated plan that in our view compromises sporting integrity by involving the admission of any ‘Newco’ directly into Division One. Any "Newco" must follow the normal application route into the bottom tier." Forfar Status: Undeclared Another club from whom there has been no official comment thus far. Queen of the South Status: Undeclared Statement "The club are unhappy at being dropped into this position and do not, yet, feel they are in posession of the full facts to allow them to make a final decision. The club are well aware of the strong opinion of the fans and have read all the comments, emails etc sent to the club and fans should rest assured that they are being listened to. The Club will continue to discuss the situation and make a further announcement when a final decision is confirmed and we ask the fans, in the meantime, to trust that we will make the best decision for Queen of the South FC. Stenhousemuir Status: Yes Stenhousemuir were the first club to put their heads above the parapet with an explicit Yes. Their reasoning seemed to be twofold: 1. That the SFL would lose the Settlement Agreement figure from the SPL; 2. That in the event of a No vote the same thing would be achieved via an SPL2 in any case. First Division Clubs Position Cowdenbeath Status: No Cowdenbeath have issued a strongly worded statement indicating their opposition to the proposals. "The Board decided that it would support any application by "Rangers" to join the SFL but would vote against the present proposal which, amongst other matters, would admit "Rangers" directly into the First Division of the SFL." Dumbarton Status: Yes Dumbarton have released a statement this week indicating that strongly implies they are intending to vote Yes: "After hearing arguments on both sides, a clear majority of those voting (55 to 28) reluctantly felt that admitting the Newco into the First Division would be the better option for Scottish football and smaller clubs as a whole" Dundee Status: Abstention Dundee have released a statement indicating that they have been instructed to abstain from the process due to a believed conflict of interest. This may be challengeable, it is not clear why Dundee fans should thus be disenfranchised from such an important vote when other potentially conflicted clubs, such as Dunfermline and Stranraer are not. Dunfermline Status: No Dunfermline have very clearly indicated that they will vote no to Newco in the first division. They have not commented officially on what stance they would take if invited to join an SPL2. Contact: enquiries@dafc.co.uk Falkirk Status: Possible No Falkirk's official statement has indicated they will vote No to the current proposals, but left it unclear as to whether they might be swayed should the league reconstruction proposals be altered or improved. Their manager Steven Pressley has been a strong and eloquent critic of the manner in which the footballing authorities have handled the situation. Contact: post@falkirkfc.co.uk Hamilton Accies Status: Possible No Hamilton Chairman Les Gray has indicated opposition to the plans, at least in isolation, but may have left the door open for an arrangement which included more favourable terms on reconstruction. "If our Governing bodies ever get round to tabling any firm proposal to vote on it is unlikely in our opinion that this proposal, in isolation, would be acceptable to the members." Livingston Status: Possible No Livingston have made no official statement of their position, but their Chairman Gordon McDougall (who is also an SFL board member) has made public comments expressing considerable scepticism, particularly in the light of the League's handling of Livingston's own case in 2009. Morton Status: No Chairman Douglas Rae has been strongly critical of the plans and has indicated a clear intention to vote No. Again, there has been no mention of their position should they be invited to join an SPL2. "Under the current SFL rules, any Club making an application for membership should be admitted to the 3rd Division. I personally see no reason to make any exception to that at this time and would therefore vote accordingly." Partick Thistle Status: Possible No As with some other clubs, Partick's last statement was on the face of it a clear No, but it is not altogether clear that they might not be open to the idea if tied in to other . "On its own this proposal is clearly unacceptable, on a number of levels, and is something the Board of PTFC are not prepared to support." Raith Rovers Status: No Raith have been firmly against the proposals from the outset, and their director Turnbull Hutton has been one of the most outspoken critics. Most recently they released a further statement querying the process for the forthcoming vote.

A couple of clubs want the wording of the resolutions changed before they vote - might go as far as to say that the SFL clubs may decide en masse not to vote tomorrow As for the Regan et al p*sh we'll see exactly what they do when they have sevco voted down to division 3 tomorrow - the Raith Rovers chairman quipped yesterday that the club chairmen should be sending the club mascots as their representatives to the meeting as it's a total pantomime anyway.