TheGingerQuiff

You might be able to make it palatable for a little while with your middle class spice rack but the overwhelming majority will think of a plant based diet as grim. It just isn't going to take off. I'm as concerned as everyone else and even I would sacrifice Holland before I gave up meat. We need realistic solutions and I think expecting the world to give up on meat or even to make drastic cutbacks isn't that attainable. Perhaps focusing on more eco friendly meats is the way forward, but cowspiracy didn't give us that option because it was hardcore vegan propaganda.

Is that going to work for the millions of impoverished people or will they only care about getting something to eat at all? Targeting a small group of people with a social conscience that have enough money to act upon it isn't going to make much difference

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You still got an electric car?

Targeting the wrong industry if Cowspiracy is to be believed. The illusion of doing something whilst the real problems rumble on, that's why we won't be reversing global warming

Turning meat into a privileged luxury isn't politically viable either. Nor is a meat tax going to save the planet, in the same way that making my car tax £550 hasn't - when the combustion engine was the in thing to scapegoat

Well you've seen the documentary, even the organisations that are aware and could influence don't want to fight that battle. We aren't going to turn the world vegetarian so we should focus on adapting instead of fighting a losing battle. We can't even get the world to give tabs up!

Aye but who is going to vote for the party that wants to ban beef and meat? Which is what is basically needed going off that cowspiracy show. Going off that we could probably stop using oil and still fry the earth given how much it contributes.

As far as understatements go... It's okay blaming Putin and Trump, but they were elected with vote winning policies. Going green isn't one, and won't be until we're at a visible point of destruction. We're already being given grave warnings from scientists and they're dropping off news bullitens within a day because not enough people give a shit. Bannings cfcs and changing the habits of 6 billion people are different animals

Ah alright, a few middle class lads going vegan is going to stop this. Pardon my realism.

I agree with CT to a point, there's too many people that don't give a shit for your conscience appeasing small changes to be anything other than futile. Voting for more responsible governments is futile - they won't get in. Global warming will be as catastrophic as it's going to be, we aren't reversing it. We should be spending on preparing/adapting to the consequences than drop-in-the-ocean futile prevention attempts

Bit harsh, poor bairn

Didn't know you had kids

I watched that Stacey Dooley documentary on the impacts of clothes on the environment and they didn't even have beef as the top cause. Which is at odds with the conspiracy documentary that I watched a few weeks ago. I did get the impression as it went on that it was massive vegan proganda, the guy on it came across as one of the militant ones. Either way I doubt global warming is reversible. If it does half it won't be because of anything humans have done

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Nissan carries the Japanese reputation of build quality though, because despite them building in Sunderland they're Japanese and operate to those standards. JLR aren't a foreign company with an arm here, they're British with foreign owners.

The point is more that consumers care where their car is from, which in turn means they have to give a fuck. If people were content to buy a Jag that was designed, developed and made in some European backwater then they'd have probably already moved.

Caring about where a bottle of beer is made or your 50k car purchase are different animals though

Their "product" fundamentally changes the day they leave Britain though. They're multinational already like all of the big players so they'd adapt accordingly but they won't be nonchalantly upping sticks and leaving the UK, and Tata being Indian doesn't increase the likelihood of that. Imo anyway

People do care about where their cars are made though so I don't think Tata would just up sticks. It'd be a dangerous move, being British defines JLR. In the same way that German cars=efficient. French cars, plastic shite. American cars laughable etc.

By that reckoning they'll already be looking to move there regardless of what happens? Not sure I get why JLR being foreign owned matters either. They're British in all but ownership and can't see why where the owner is based would make them more or less inclined to move.

They are now, but you said homegrown and their HQ and a chunk of their production is still here as well as most of their R&D etc. There are other considerations other than just EU access why foreign brands produce here though, skills in particular. If not they'd all be in eastern europe where labour is much cheaper.

JLR?

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