manc-mag

Jesus wept tbh.

Like Catmag on here?

He's probably here though eh 39808[/snapback] Where's Wellsy?

Do you have a sharks forum?

How many of your members want how many forums? You're not HTT are you? 39801[/snapback] Contraversial.

We can donate Gemmill if you'd like. 39796[/snapback] Nee refunds either.

This argument is going nowhere without Blaydon, tbh.

We're not all Geordies though. Those that aren't, aren't entitled to have an opinion. FACT! tbh.

I hope your not suggesting Patrick Moore is the king of all geeks. 39781[/snapback] Why like, are you staking a claim? 39783[/snapback] Ok, let's see. I have an interest in computer games, diesel locomotives, football, astronomy, science fiction, internet message boards, bird watching, and hill walking. Oh fuck. 39789[/snapback] You'll need that stick I was talking about then cos that is but nothing compared to old ginger pubes!

I hope your not suggesting Patrick Moore is the king of all geeks. 39781[/snapback] Why like, are you staking a claim? 39783[/snapback] I think anyone doing that would have to beat you off first with a long and very shitty stick. With all nails in it.

To be fair Manc Mag, I think you are misrepresenting me. Scroll up a few replies up, and I think you'll find that I said I know your online persona well enough to know that you don't want to ban this game. Just thought I'd clear that up. 39773[/snapback] Nah mate, I realise that. I was referring to the earlier 'ban Saving Private Ryan' comment. I know that was also throw-away, but it was basically making out that my argument was one of censorship. Sima did the same, which was misrepresenting my point of view in fact. That and all the business about me having some petty agenda against computer games generally (again I dunno where that came from and so I once again conclude that it was just a convenient argument to hang your hat on), just seemed to be taking it off in the wrong direction. To clarify (and hopefully summarise then) it's not about censorship, I'm not calling for a ban, I expressed a personal opinion and then I backed that opinion up with argument. Banning and censorship is a different argument entirely and not one that I would subscribe to.

I didnt have an arguement your point is based on how you would feel if you were in their position. All I did was give a real example of someone who is. Im not saying he's representative of all but Im sure like most adults he can separate somthing thats meant to be entertainmnet from something serious. So yes that comment was pointless and just looks like you're trying to be a smart arse tbh 39761[/snapback] You misunderstand. I can accept that some people don't find it sick-it's obvious Renton, Sima you and your grandad don't. This has been about them trying to persuade me of their viewpoint though, which isnt going to happen. Then, when they can't do that, I'm apparently calling for a ban of these sorts of things (Renton and Sima have both accused me of this). Only the point is I haven't done done that-it's just convenient to turn the argument in that direction. In essence its been about those that disagree with my viewpoint trying to justify their alternative viewpoint (which is that of enjoyment.) 39767[/snapback] You can get those strategy walkthrough things you know? They tell you point by point how to get past the bit you're stuck on. 39769[/snapback] Who d'you think yee are like, 'Gemsmaster'?!

Cool. He's the official spokesperson for that generation then is he? My grandad was in the navy and was deployed to deal with the allied assistance after Hiroshima. He can't talk about things like that-literally, you can't ask him those sorts of questions. Not that he's a spokesperson for his generation either but you get my point. 39736[/snapback] I'm not sure I do get your point. Are we to ban things because they might offend some individuals - that's the bottom line, surely? I think I know your online persona well enough to know you don't think this. Therefore I conclude you just find the concept of these games personally a bit distasteful, and you are dismissive of video games as an art form. Am I right in my thinking? 39744[/snapback] Mate, I've answered the second point already if you scroll back. I don't like video games generally cos i get no enjoyment from them but thats not what's informing my opinions and to be honest theres nothing I've said to have given you that impression. If thats what you think then it's based on a false premise. It's just convenient to your argument to say that. And as for banning anything thats offensive-no I don't think that obviously. I said I found them a bit sick-which is my opinion. You'll also note that I said that if you enjoy them then thats okay. Whats happening here is that you're having a problem with my opinion of what you find enjoyable and you're struggling to justify your enjoyment of it. You've made your case mate and I accept what youre saying. When you start attributing viewpoints to me which I dont hold though, then thats probably where the discussion should end. Start going round in circles then. 39750[/snapback] Fair enough, I respect yourviewpoint. I'm not struggling to justify my enjoyment of CoD though, I literally see nothing wrong in it whatsoever. I fully respect what the veterans have done as well, and, in a way, the freedom to play games like this is ironically all down to them. 39763[/snapback] You've certainly left me under no illusion that you think it's a kick ass game, soldier!

I didnt have an arguement your point is based on how you would feel if you were in their position. All I did was give a real example of someone who is. Im not saying he's representative of all but Im sure like most adults he can separate somthing thats meant to be entertainmnet from something serious. So yes that comment was pointless and just looks like you're trying to be a smart arse tbh 39761[/snapback] You misunderstand. I can accept that some people don't find it sick-it's obvious Renton, Sima you and your grandad don't. This has been about them trying to persuade me of their viewpoint though, which isnt going to happen. Then, when they can't do that, I'm apparently calling for a ban of these sorts of things (Renton and Sima have both accused me of this). Only the point is I haven't done done that-it's just convenient to turn the argument in that direction. In essence its been about those that disagree with my viewpoint trying to justify their alternative viewpoint (which is that of enjoyment.)

You've formed an opinion on it without even playing it 39708[/snapback] I'm against paedophilia too. As is the Daily Mail. 39711[/snapback] The comparison was actually trivialising something like paedophilia. It was implied but I forgot that I need to spell these things out to you. 39740[/snapback] Sure it was..... 39743[/snapback] Take your hands off your cock for a second, you're cutting off the blood supply to your brain.

Just saw that, dicksplash!

I dont think it was entirely pointless given that you were at that point premising your entire argument on your grandad's experiences of the war.

Cool. He's the official spokesperson for that generation then is he? My grandad was in the navy and was deployed to deal with the allied assistance after Hiroshima. He can't talk about things like that-literally, you can't ask him those sorts of questions. Not that he's a spokesperson for his generation either but you get my point. 39736[/snapback] I'm not sure I do get your point. Are we to ban things because they might offend some individuals - that's the bottom line, surely? I think I know your online persona well enough to know you don't think this. Therefore I conclude you just find the concept of these games personally a bit distasteful, and you are dismissive of video games as an art form. Am I right in my thinking? 39744[/snapback] Mate, I've answered the second point already if you scroll back. I don't like video games generally cos i get no enjoyment from them but thats not what's informing my opinions and to be honest theres nothing I've said to have given you that impression. If thats what you think then it's based on a false premise. It's just convenient to your argument to say that. And as for banning anything thats offensive-no I don't think that obviously. I said I found them a bit sick-which is my opinion. You'll also note that I said that if you enjoy them then thats okay. Whats happening here is that you're having a problem with my opinion of what you find enjoyable and you're struggling to justify your enjoyment of it. You've made your case mate and I accept what youre saying. When you start attributing viewpoints to me which I dont hold though, then thats probably where the discussion should end. Start going round in circles then.

I used the "Don't quote me on that" button. 39728[/snapback]

The comparison was actually trivialising something like paedophilia. It was implied but I forgot that I need to spell these things out to you.

Cool. He's the official spokesperson for that generation then is he? My grandad was in the navy and was deployed to deal with the allied assistance after Hiroshima. He can't talk about things like that-literally, you can't ask him those sorts of questions. Not that he's a spokesperson for his generation either but you get my point.

eh? 39718[/snapback] Pretty self-explanatory tbh.

PS Renton, what the fuck have you done to your post to make it impossible for me to quote it properly?

Oh aye yeah, you might be right. Anyways I think the one thats based on actual battles is a bit sick tbh, seeing as theres ex-servicemen still alive and all that. If that was me and I'd lost mates I'd be devo'd if I saw my grandson and his mates playing that with retarded grins on their faces. 39655[/snapback] Ban it along with Saving Private Ryan tbh. 39659[/snapback] I thought that was actually quite good in it's treatment of war and the devastating effects it can have on it's participants. A good anti war film tbh. 39662[/snapback] Yeah it was good and made you think. As did both CoD and MoH when I played them. 39669[/snapback] Are you having a laugh? What did they make you think of? What next - Invasion of Basra on Playstation 2? 39673[/snapback] About how terrible war is, in much the same way as SPR did. What's the difference? Have you actually played these games - they are very well done and pretty tasteful - there's also almost no gore. Compared to GTA, they are harmless and even educating. Not that I have a problem with GTA either like. 39680[/snapback] I dont play computer games generally. It's bad for the complexion. And regardless of the absence of gore (which I dont necesarily accept to be a good thing because war tends to be very 'gorey'), I just think that it trivializes what the participants experienced. Which was a living hell. If you like the game though then thats one good thing I s'pose. 39691[/snapback] I'm surprised at your attitude a bit, and I think you're wrong. It doesn't trivialise the war a bit imo, like I said, it is well done and gives you plenty of facts about what happened. Interesting question though I suppose - at what point can horrific events in the past be used as entertainment, and is this different for the mediums of literature, films, and computer games? If so, why? Hmmmm. 39700[/snapback] I think you're trying to justify your enjoyment of it tbh, which is fine, but doesnt make for great argument. In answer to your second point I actually think it's very simple-when it no longer affects living people in the way that I've mentioned. After that then I think it's a different ball game. Not that I'd be arsed to play it mind you. 39709[/snapback] But its interesting you think games are a special exception and this doesn't apply to books or films. Tbh, I think it is because you don't value games as an art form, which, ahem, I think is pretty ignorant! 39716[/snapback] Not sure what you base that opinion on tbh (I've said I don't like them but I dont like lots of art-I can still accept it as art though) but you're entitled to it all the same. I dont think games are a special exception. For what its worth films which glorify and trivialise war and battles that people have fought in are equally as bad. You'll note that I thought SPR was a good anti-war film though. To be honest youre accusing me of generalisations when I simply havent made any. Like I said, I think it's that you're trying to justify your enjoyment of the game, and that makes for bad argument. I can drive a bus through it tbh.