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Going to explain why? 51830[/snapback] Indeed, although i think it's fairly obvious and has been for a long time. Apart from pace he has no other attributes as a footballer imo. He can't pass, control, head, tackle, finish, read the game. Sticking him up front would be the lesser of 2 evils but it would simply mean another "striker" playing with the ball bobbling up around his knees (see Ameobi). Dyer hasn't progressed as a footballer for at least 3 or 4 years now, yet he still gets into our team, is paid a small fortune and gets into the England squad!! Were being short changed by this prick yet some fans think he should play up front! At least with Bellamy after his first year of showing us he had raw talent, the second season he'd honed certain area's of his game and had improved significantly, whereas Dyer in contrast is still at the level he was after his first season with us, and that level imo is pretty fucking mediocre! 51846[/snapback] I don't agree with much of that, but I appreciate it that you offered the reply. 51862[/snapback] You've got your opinion i've got mine and that's fair enough, I think overall the fans are still split over Dyer, there's the likes of yourself who think he can offer something to the team. But then there's those like myself and countless others who sit around me at the match of the opinion that he's totally overated, overpaid and has nowt but pace. I'm in that camp but hope he can prove me wrong in the future but I've been saying that for the last 3-4 years now. He came on against WBA and did well, wouldn't go as for as to say he changed the game as others have said though, but if he'd have come into a game against a decent team I very much doubt he would have had an impact. He seems to do alright against lesser opposition and go missing in games against bigger and better opposition for too often for me. And if were going to get anywhere we need players who can perform against the better teams. I can see Parker, Emre, Owen, Solano, Shearer all doing this but not Dyer and for 80k a week were being short-changed. 51936[/snapback] Just thought I'd mention I've been going to matches since 1968, so I know what it's like to have 'countless others sitting around me', like. I have no great belief that Dyer is a fantastic player, I just think from our current options I'd select him alongside Owen. That's all there is to it. 52129[/snapback] 1968 you say, you're obviously a man of vintage. I can only boast of an attendance record since 1982. Must mean you know more about football eh? It's no wonder I tend to primarily post in the General Chat thread than in here, cos there's always someone like you in here! All i'll say is that if countless others around me at the match in the present day are calling for the pricks head then it tells you something about Dyer's non-performances. 52252[/snapback] Not at all. It was just a reply to your previous effort of ......... "there's the likes of yourself who think he can offer something to the team. But then there's those like myself and countless others who sit around me at the match " The implication being that your opinion has more value based on the fact it is supported by these countless people, while doubt is being raised about whether I've ever been to a match or not. My interpretation of your post is exactly the type you claim sends you to General Chat. Read your own posts before you make such accusations of others. 52406[/snapback] I wasn't raising any doubt as to your attendance at the match, I was simply saying that my experiences at the match lead me to believe that there is a huge following who would gladly kcik Dyer out of the club of I would do given half the chance. 70% of the Gallowgate would be my estimate. If anything your opinion holds more sway with me personally cos you go to the match, but at the same time it bemuses me as were watching the same thing yet our opinions are so different. But that's the beauty of football and this forum, if we all had the same opinions where would we be? 52415[/snapback] Aye, well I've mostly been in the 'proper' end.... the Leazes. There is unrest about Dyer and his antics off the pitch ( much worse than the hugely vilified Bellamy ) but I wouldn't say it's anything like 70%. Anyway, the point is that most people who are pissed off with him are pissed off because they realise he's a good player going to waste. He was allowed to go off the rails by Robson, most of us know that. So far, Mr Souness hasn't managed to sort him out to the point where he plays enough matches, but if he can do that then we have a good player. If he can't, then we have a waster. Which is really more or less what he is now. The fact Dyer's personality is shite doesn't make him a bad player though, a good manager will get performances from him, and he is a good footballer imo. The main point for me is that Mr Souness has left us with only Owen as a real threat, Shearer is on his last legs, Ameobi should be on the beach and Chopra isn't worth a mention. Dyer is the only viable alternative really.

I wish you would do the same. Nowt personal, like. 52134[/snapback] Ditto soldier 52201[/snapback] But, but.....it was only a joke. It's just my 'way', you know.

I'd say it makes you well placed to judge HTL. 52210[/snapback] If you have an issue with me Alex go to PM and we'll arrange a meeting before the next match.

Going to explain why? 51830[/snapback] Indeed, although i think it's fairly obvious and has been for a long time. Apart from pace he has no other attributes as a footballer imo. He can't pass, control, head, tackle, finish, read the game. Sticking him up front would be the lesser of 2 evils but it would simply mean another "striker" playing with the ball bobbling up around his knees (see Ameobi). Dyer hasn't progressed as a footballer for at least 3 or 4 years now, yet he still gets into our team, is paid a small fortune and gets into the England squad!! Were being short changed by this prick yet some fans think he should play up front! At least with Bellamy after his first year of showing us he had raw talent, the second season he'd honed certain area's of his game and had improved significantly, whereas Dyer in contrast is still at the level he was after his first season with us, and that level imo is pretty fucking mediocre! 51846[/snapback] I don't agree with much of that, but I appreciate it that you offered the reply. 51862[/snapback] You've got your opinion i've got mine and that's fair enough, I think overall the fans are still split over Dyer, there's the likes of yourself who think he can offer something to the team. But then there's those like myself and countless others who sit around me at the match of the opinion that he's totally overated, overpaid and has nowt but pace. I'm in that camp but hope he can prove me wrong in the future but I've been saying that for the last 3-4 years now. He came on against WBA and did well, wouldn't go as for as to say he changed the game as others have said though, but if he'd have come into a game against a decent team I very much doubt he would have had an impact. He seems to do alright against lesser opposition and go missing in games against bigger and better opposition for too often for me. And if were going to get anywhere we need players who can perform against the better teams. I can see Parker, Emre, Owen, Solano, Shearer all doing this but not Dyer and for 80k a week were being short-changed. 51936[/snapback] Just thought I'd mention I've been going to matches since 1968, so I know what it's like to have 'countless others sitting around me', like. I have no great belief that Dyer is a fantastic player, I just think from our current options I'd select him alongside Owen. That's all there is to it. 52129[/snapback] 1968 you say, you're obviously a man of vintage. I can only boast of an attendance record since 1982. Must mean you know more about football eh? It's no wonder I tend to primarily post in the General Chat thread than in here, cos there's always someone like you in here! All i'll say is that if countless others around me at the match in the present day are calling for the pricks head then it tells you something about Dyer's non-performances. 52252[/snapback] Not at all. It was just a reply to your previous effort of ......... "there's the likes of yourself who think he can offer something to the team. But then there's those like myself and countless others who sit around me at the match " The implication being that your opinion has more value based on the fact it is supported by these countless people, while doubt is being raised about whether I've ever been to a match or not. My interpretation of your post is exactly the type you claim sends you to General Chat. Read your own posts before you make such accusations of others.

I wish you would do the same. Nowt personal, like.

I don't quote stats or facts really, just opinions. If someone who does look at stats checked into some of the stuff I've posted though I think some opinions may be found to be fact. For example, Robert creating and scoring more goals than the rest of our midfielders combined. But he's shit because Souness said so, because he tells the truth to the press and because he doesn't tackle like Dave Mackay. Fine. We all want different things. I want a winning team, some others want a load of grafters. I can live with that.

51876[/snapback] Glad you finally saw sense.

Going to explain why? 51830[/snapback] Indeed, although i think it's fairly obvious and has been for a long time. Apart from pace he has no other attributes as a footballer imo. He can't pass, control, head, tackle, finish, read the game. Sticking him up front would be the lesser of 2 evils but it would simply mean another "striker" playing with the ball bobbling up around his knees (see Ameobi). Dyer hasn't progressed as a footballer for at least 3 or 4 years now, yet he still gets into our team, is paid a small fortune and gets into the England squad!! Were being short changed by this prick yet some fans think he should play up front! At least with Bellamy after his first year of showing us he had raw talent, the second season he'd honed certain area's of his game and had improved significantly, whereas Dyer in contrast is still at the level he was after his first season with us, and that level imo is pretty fucking mediocre! 51846[/snapback] I don't agree with much of that, but I appreciate it that you offered the reply. 51862[/snapback] You've got your opinion i've got mine and that's fair enough, I think overall the fans are still split over Dyer, there's the likes of yourself who think he can offer something to the team. But then there's those like myself and countless others who sit around me at the match of the opinion that he's totally overated, overpaid and has nowt but pace. I'm in that camp but hope he can prove me wrong in the future but I've been saying that for the last 3-4 years now. He came on against WBA and did well, wouldn't go as for as to say he changed the game as others have said though, but if he'd have come into a game against a decent team I very much doubt he would have had an impact. He seems to do alright against lesser opposition and go missing in games against bigger and better opposition for too often for me. And if were going to get anywhere we need players who can perform against the better teams. I can see Parker, Emre, Owen, Solano, Shearer all doing this but not Dyer and for 80k a week were being short-changed. 51936[/snapback] Just thought I'd mention I've been going to matches since 1968, so I know what it's like to have 'countless others sitting around me', like. I have no great belief that Dyer is a fantastic player, I just think from our current options I'd select him alongside Owen. That's all there is to it.

Really? I don't remember those at all. Sure you aren't being a bit of a fibber here, mate? Anyway, what's all this about his 'defenders?'. As I've said over and over again, all I give a shite about is what players produce on the pitch for Newcastle. Robert produced more than the rest of the midfield put together, dispute that all you like but you'll be wrong according to the facts. When Shearer put his dispute with Gullit ahead of the club, I suppose that wasn't him being a selfish twat? 51831[/snapback] Most of us lean towards "on the pitch" but as I said there are limits - what are yours - rapists? murderers? Robert's contribution when he was good last year was the best of a bad bunch but most recognise his standards had dropped generally (and I refer to the attacking side here). I've seen enough promise in Emre and Nobby to think in big picture terms he won't be a critical loss. 51841[/snapback] Well, of course, anything criminal would have to be taken more seriously than something twisted into another meaning by the press. But if that's your limit, fair enough. I want what's best for the team and I don't believe everything I read in the papers because it suits what I think of a player. I also don't defend Robert as a quality player because I think Souness is a nob. That was a bit of a strange comment anarl. Solano and Emre don't play in the same role as Robert, not at all sure why you're comparing them.

Going to explain why? 51830[/snapback] Indeed, although i think it's fairly obvious and has been for a long time. Apart from pace he has no other attributes as a footballer imo. He can't pass, control, head, tackle, finish, read the game. Sticking him up front would be the lesser of 2 evils but it would simply mean another "striker" playing with the ball bobbling up around his knees (see Ameobi). Dyer hasn't progressed as a footballer for at least 3 or 4 years now, yet he still gets into our team, is paid a small fortune and gets into the England squad!! Were being short changed by this prick yet some fans think he should play up front! At least with Bellamy after his first year of showing us he had raw talent, the second season he'd honed certain area's of his game and had improved significantly, whereas Dyer in contrast is still at the level he was after his first season with us, and that level imo is pretty fucking mediocre! 51846[/snapback] I don't agree with much of that, but I appreciate it that you offered the reply.

I agree about covering options on the bench and there is a value to a striker with physical strength (rather than say pure aerial ability), but if you're good enough you don't have to have that option all the time. Arsenal have the likes of Henry who's shite in the air and he's played alongside and with other players who aren't exactly dominant in the air like Reyes, Bergkamp etc. Meanwhile Chelsea have shown with Drogba the value of having a physical presence, so it depends what you are working with and how well your team is playing and what style of football they're playing. And just to be annoying, i would have loved to see Owen/Bellamy up front as any defence would struggle to handle those two playing together and if you had Dyer in the same line up we would be lethal on the break! 51807[/snapback] Unfortunately I don't think you can compare our team to the Arse team that has succeeded in playing without players who provide an arial presence up top (I know you weren't doing this like). But they also in a way prove the point that it is necessary to have this alternative. In Europe their style has been far too easily snuffed out. They have only been getting to the same stage that we managed to get to last time we played in the champions league with a poorer and far less experienced team. If they had the ability to attack in a different way they could well have won the trophy. Mind you I'd be more than happy with the domestic trophy's they have won in recent years. I know what you mean about having Owen, Bella's and Dyer all playing in attack and it brings images of the Leeds games to mind but I think it's fair to say it certainly wouldn't work every game. Oh and we wouldn't have Owen if Bellamy was still here 51833[/snapback] Why not? Owen is a goalscorer and is the long term replacement for Shearer. If he stays at the club.

Going to explain why? 51830[/snapback] See above 51834[/snapback] I'd rather he/she spoke for him/herself. Thanks anyway.

Really? I don't remember those at all. Sure you aren't being a bit of a fibber here, mate? Anyway, what's all this about his 'defenders?'. As I've said over and over again, all I give a shite about is what players produce on the pitch for Newcastle. Robert produced more than the rest of the midfield put together, dispute that all you like but you'll be wrong according to the facts. When Shearer put his dispute with Gullit ahead of the club, I suppose that wasn't him being a selfish twat?

Going to explain why?

Christ! Fade from what exactly? Equivalent of a 10 watt bulb to bust?

could work i reckon. owen playing on the last man's shoulder with dyer dropping deep and using pace and tricks to make space. sort of like the role rooney plays for england. it would be great for movement and pace. we would struggle with those two up top if we need to go direct - though you could always bring shearer off the bench to win more in the air. 51775[/snapback] I think Dyer and Owen is the way to go too. Good post, Dan.

Keeper and defence had barely allowed them a shot on target in 45 mins, none of them were even close to shite in the first half. Nobby and Emre had shown some nice touches without great penetration but a couple of chances were created, again neither close to being shite and the same applies to Parker and Zog. 51319[/snapback] Owen was just as woeful though. (in 1st half) 51321[/snapback] I think he said as much in his interview after the match! The great thing with Owen is he could be shite for 90 mins (but rarely ever will be) and you'd still back him to score a goal or 2 if the chances are created. 51322[/snapback] Good point, but im just interested to see how Shola did over the whole 90 after we started playing well. Hard to judge him after 45 when the majority of the team were playing well below their standard. 51324[/snapback] How mamy games/minutes do you need to see this donkey play before you realise he is shite?

No team has done anything in the EPL utilising 3 at the back. It's total shite and doesn't work.

But, but but.....Luque is a striker. You have him on the left of midfield.

What are you on about? You think we were the better team, or something? They beat us on merit, man, nowt to do with the referee. 51013[/snapback] Ball across the line, penalty appeals cough, cough Are you that blind old linesman. Not saying we would have won if these were given because we were and are shit! 51060[/snapback] I said they beat us on merit and that is regardless of penalty appeals and ball over the line stuff. Some you get, some you don't, that's football. I hate it as much as the next bloke when these jokers cock it up, but they were better than us and deserved to win. That's the point.

I'd be happy enough if he took over from Mr Souness. Did a good job at Chelsea and at other clubs, has a much better track record than Mr Souness. That doesn't take much though, tbaqfh.

We should try to sign Smith in January as a striking partner for Owen. If Owen stays, that is.

So. We know he's tempermental, that really doesn't bother me. Storm in a teacup! 50934[/snapback] I'm sure you'd have a totally different opinion if it had been Kieron Dyer, but don't let that little detail cloud things, eh...? 51017[/snapback] Funnily enough, I was going to cite the fact that Kieron Dyer is still at the club to back up my argument there Craig. Why are people so obsessed with what Robert does at a different club (and never did to us, to my knowledge), when Dyer who is at our club has done far worse? Never mind. 51030[/snapback] Ignorance? Stupidity? Spite? Could be any one, or more likely all of them. Grimbo banging on again about corners from Robert makes me laugh. It obviously hasn't crossed his mind that a manager and players choose who takes their corners and free kicks. Naturally, they select the player who is considered to be the best at it, but if that player turns out to be consistently shit at it, under pressure from the players a different team member would take over the responsiblity. Robert took most of ours, which means his teammates were happy with what he was doing. That's important and obvious, innit? It also used to make me laugh when people on here cited one of Roberts greatest failings as being his penchant for having a go at goal from a 40 yard free kick. It's obviously never entered the minds of those people that his teammates and manager wanted him to do this. Again, they were happy with it, otherwise they'd have stopped him doing it. The reason they were happy with it was because they knew it's better than a floated 50/50 into the box that most teams manage. How many goals does that Roberto Carlos bloke score from long range free kicks, and how many times has he tried? Scored a good one, once though, didn't he? Anyway, some of you stat people might be able to dig that one up, but for myself, I can only recollect him scoring a couple. I've seen Beckham put half a dozen over the bar in one game before getting one even on target, but I'd still let him take more and why not, he might score a goal! Some people can't think this way though, they can't see the bigger picture. If the ball goes into the crowd Robert is obviously shit. If Shearer blasts it into the wall? Well, that's ok. If another player floats half a dozen 50/50 balls into the box and they are all headed out by a defender.....well that's ok as well, isn't it? Apart from the possiblity we'll be caught on the break by either of these last 2 scenarios because most of our team might in their box and the ball is in play!!! Doh! I've mentioned all of this before, but as usual, the people who slag Robert never actually address these points, finding it too complicated obviously. Some good points eariler by PL too. Why are these threads always started by those vindictive people who hate either Robert or Bellamy? These threads have a mark of childishness about them, really.

What are you on about? You think we were the better team, or something? They beat us on merit, man, nowt to do with the referee.