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I'd love to think that was for a laugh, following Renton's comments about the random shit you post. I fear that would be giving you far too much credit though Again, I would not be surprised if people took it literally. The point being, when do we start contracting players ready for the first day of the summer window? Now? In 2 months? In May? Seriously, how far forward does it have to be to be good 'planning' and getting one over on every other manager who seem to be more than able to start and complete deals inside the window. I'll accept having the players in time for the start of pre season training instead of after the season starts for a change. Exactly. That's what pissed me off about Roeder big style last summer. When he took the job one of the first things he was saying was that he couldn't even afford a holiday because he has to assemble the squad for next season. The next thing was that he was off to Turkey for a couple of weeks. Then at some time in July he said that he has to sit together with Fat Fred and draw up a list of players they should go after. The "planning" and concluding of deals just always depends on the circumstances. At the moment Newcastle now too well what type of players they need (I hope they do). So they can look at those players and sound them out or unsettle them. A lot is done behind the scenes. And when it's clear that the opportunity of getting one of your targets arises you have to react. Then it doesn't matter if it is January, April or June. But it shouldn't be July and only under the worst circumstances August 31st. so you'd be happy if Arsene Wenger started having cosy little chats with N'Zogbia in a few months time?

I'm sure virtually everyone is in agreement that you are talking complete random shite about transfers, whether you actually believe what you are posting yourself or not is a moot point. Anyway, I was referring to your general contribution, mainly on General Chat. Do you think swearing makes you look hard btw? how is it random if it concerns the topic in question? and on GC, again, the very same statement without backing it up. You're not getting the idea here are you?

talk to my Indian friend Asif

sol campbell is the very definition of headless chicken. How many teams succeed by continously signing players for 1 or 2 years?

I'd love to think that was for a laugh, following Renton's comments about the random shit you post. I fear that would be giving you far too much credit though Again, I would not be surprised if people took it literally. The point being, when do we start contracting players ready for the first day of the summer window? Now? In 2 months? In May? Seriously, how far forward does it have to be to be good 'planning' and getting one over on every other manager who seem to be more than able to start and complete deals inside the window. The proof's in the pudding. It's not a question of when, rather of net results. If we're still fucking about ringing people on August 31st I'd suggest we can mark it down as another fuck-up. you honestly can't see a scenario whereby no matter how many players you target, none of the deals come off? Where are all these players coming out in the media now saying 'I can't believe Newcastle didn't come in for me' I really can't see the fuss over ringing people on the last day. It's deadline day FFS, by very definition the last day that you have a chance to complete deals. Why wouldn't you be ringing people Again, when is he supposed to give up and stop calling, to appear professional and planned to the likes of gemma?

people WANT us to be in West Ham's position. The league table doesn't matter as long as you spend each and every window signing half the planet, only to get rid of them at the next, along with your manager This is what I meant in the other thread when I mentioned coming up with silly arguments that make you look stupid, for the sole purpose of being Little Miss Contrary. You're clearly not a stupid bloke so why do you insist on portraying yourself as one? Am I missing something? He's at the bestest university in the known universe man. Or something. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt to see if I could get him to stop being such a dick. you disagree that West Ham's transfer activity is being held up as how we should be doing things? of course the post is a bit over the top, but I would expect most people not to take everything as read, and be able to extract the basic point. However, pedantry seems to be the order of the day for the gemmilator How do you have the brass neck to accuse others of pedantry? You come across of argumentative, yet also seem to be ignorant on the topics you are arguing about. Add that to the fact that you often post random shite in threads you clearly have little interest in, and your incessant need to abuse people who disagree with you..... Well, maybe you should just take a hint and stick to N-O. such as? give an example or shut the fuck up rentboy More abuse. On General Chat, you post inane shite on loads of threads, frequently "laughing" at your own jokes. I'm not really arsed if you stay or go, but I do find it strange that someone would hang around when they are clearly not wanted. Still as has been said, every board has its trolls and wums, just be careful not to give the admin enough rope to ban you with. I'm only going to repeat it once give me an example or shut your fucking mouth I'm soooo scared. An example like the one Gemmill gave you about planned football transfers you mean? I'm not going to trawl through your tedious shite to give you an example you will dispute anyway. I'm fairly confident that everyone but you will know what I'm talking about. mmm. a post about football transfers in a thread about football transfers, aye totally random I'm not trying to intimidate you you fucking fairy, I'm merely pulling you up on talking shite, on which you unsurprisingly have no comback

I'd love to think that was for a laugh, following Renton's comments about the random shit you post. I fear that would be giving you far too much credit though Again, I would not be surprised if people took it literally. The point being, when do we start contracting players ready for the first day of the summer window? Now? In 2 months? In May? Seriously, how far forward does it have to be to be good 'planning' and getting one over on every other manager who seem to be more than able to start and complete deals inside the window.

people WANT us to be in West Ham's position. The league table doesn't matter as long as you spend each and every window signing half the planet, only to get rid of them at the next, along with your manager This is what I meant in the other thread when I mentioned coming up with silly arguments that make you look stupid, for the sole purpose of being Little Miss Contrary. You're clearly not a stupid bloke so why do you insist on portraying yourself as one? Am I missing something? He's at the bestest university in the known universe man. Or something. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt to see if I could get him to stop being such a dick. you disagree that West Ham's transfer activity is being held up as how we should be doing things? of course the post is a bit over the top, but I would expect most people not to take everything as read, and be able to extract the basic point. However, pedantry seems to be the order of the day for the gemmilator How do you have the brass neck to accuse others of pedantry? You come across of argumentative, yet also seem to be ignorant on the topics you are arguing about. Add that to the fact that you often post random shite in threads you clearly have little interest in, and your incessant need to abuse people who disagree with you..... Well, maybe you should just take a hint and stick to N-O. such as? give an example or shut the fuck up rentboy More abuse. On General Chat, you post inane shite on loads of threads, frequently "laughing" at your own jokes. I'm not really arsed if you stay or go, but I do find it strange that someone would hang around when they are clearly not wanted. Still as has been said, every board has its trolls and wums, just be careful not to give the admin enough rope to ban you with. I'm only going to repeat it once give me an example or shut your fucking mouth

my pet peeve, dickheads making random unjustified digs

right, so who are we going to ring today and slap in a contract, all ready to move come the summer...

people WANT us to be in West Ham's position. The league table doesn't matter as long as you spend each and every window signing half the planet, only to get rid of them at the next, along with your manager This is what I meant in the other thread when I mentioned coming up with silly arguments that make you look stupid, for the sole purpose of being Little Miss Contrary. You're clearly not a stupid bloke so why do you insist on portraying yourself as one? Am I missing something? He's at the bestest university in the known universe man. Or something. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt to see if I could get him to stop being such a dick. you disagree that West Ham's transfer activity is being held up as how we should be doing things? of course the post is a bit over the top, but I would expect most people not to take everything as read, and be able to extract the basic point. However, pedantry seems to be the order of the day for the gemmilator How do you have the brass neck to accuse others of pedantry? You come across of argumentative, yet also seem to be ignorant on the topics you are arguing about. Add that to the fact that you often post random shite in threads you clearly have little interest in, and your incessant need to abuse people who disagree with you..... Well, maybe you should just take a hint and stick to N-O. such as? give an example or shut the fuck up rentboy

Captain Contrary.......to the rescue! See what I mean? WUM tbh. I stand by the post. Why can't I have that opinion FFS? Am I supposed to agree with the post just because it came from NUFC.com? Was there support for a Cole transfer? Has Roeder been slagged for loans? Were Luques wages the sticking point? all valid points all relevant to the post

There's been an incident just like that in this transfer window. Peterborough were trying to buy a bloke from Dagenham & Redbridge and havd a pre-contract agreement (most likely with some form of down payment made). Then Peterborough sacked their manager and the player had a change of heart and decided he wanted to stay at D&R (was also being linked with a move to a bigger club in the summer). Peterborough chairman was threatening to take it to the courts and as a result, the player did make the move.... egg fucking sactly a point lost on all these fuckers imagine if we had agreed to sell harper or huntington or butt 2 months ago. I'm not saying you shouldn't always have targets in mind, which of course we do, but to go to the lengths of contracting players before you can move them is pointless. The simple fact that only Larson has been dealt with this way illustrates the point. You fucking thick shit. This doesn't support your argument. It's just an example of a bizarre cycle of events. You are a fucking moron Vic, and you're embarrassing yourself with this contrary stance. yet you fail to accept that Larson is a one off event, and that is not how 99% of transfer business is done. A one-off event? Now I know you didn't miss alex's post Vic, because you've already replied to it and tried to move the goalposts again. I hope you don't come across this stupid at uni, Vic. Lego might be as good as it gets for you. not one premiership club in that list. Most of it's fucking scottish clubs FFS. How is that even relevant?

Painfully predictable too. what useless piggyback oneliners into debates that don't involve you? yes, predictable is what you are tbh

See that is where you are wrong. The transfer window only restricts when you can actually transfer a player from one club to the next, it doesn't restrict you from negotiations or transfer fees or player contract details! again, name me a player other than Larson where this happened this january???? All these were conducted on 1 January 2007 alone: Ade Akinbiyi [sheff Utd - Burnley] £750,000 Moses Ashikodi [Rangers - Watford] Nominal fee Stephen Black [Kansas City - Montrose] Loan George Boyd [stevenage - Peterborough] £260,000* * Pending - transfer due to be completed 8 January David Forde [Derry City - Cardiff City] Undisclosed Stephen Fraser [Montrose - St Andrews Utd] Loan Michael Fulton [Morton - Largs Thistle] Loan Alan Gilbridge [Morton - Largs Thistle] Loan Morgaro Gomis [Cowdenbeath - Dundee Utd] Nominal fee Stefan Gonet [Morton - Clydebank] Loan Dean Holden [Peterborough - Falkirk] Undisclosed Paul Keegan [st Patrick's Athletic - Motherwell] Undisclosed Michael Kightly [Grays - Wolves] Nominal fee Scott Marshall [unattached - Cowdenbeath] David MacLeod [Morton - Largs Thistle] Loan Neil McCallum [st Johnstone - Alloa] Loan Mark McChrystal [Derry City - Partick] Undisclosed Paul McGowan [Celtic - Morton] Loan Michael McIndoe [barnsley - Wolves] £250,000 Derek McInnes [Millwall - St Johnstone] Undisclosed Trevor Molloy [st Patrick's Athletic - Motherwell] Undisclosed Kevin Moon [st Johnstone - Forfar] Loan Michael Mullen [Queen of the South - Stranraer] Loan Danny Murphy [Cork - Motherwell] Undisclosed Neil Stephen [Peterhead - Montrose] Undisclosed sorry, which one of those players should we have contracted by mid November? He's changing his question again, after he's asked it and been given an answer. Fucking priceless. A follows B follows C, that's how discussionsgo gems. Or do you need the forum special bus to help you along? stop being such a tart and use your words. come on now. Don't be afraid

There's been an incident just like that in this transfer window. Peterborough were trying to buy a bloke from Dagenham & Redbridge and havd a pre-contract agreement (most likely with some form of down payment made). Then Peterborough sacked their manager and the player had a change of heart and decided he wanted to stay at D&R (was also being linked with a move to a bigger club in the summer). Peterborough chairman was threatening to take it to the courts and as a result, the player did make the move.... egg fucking sactly a point lost on all these fuckers imagine if we had agreed to sell harper or huntington or butt 2 months ago. I'm not saying you shouldn't always have targets in mind, which of course we do, but to go to the lengths of contracting players before you can move them is pointless. The simple fact that only Larson has been dealt with this way illustrates the point. You fucking thick shit. This doesn't support your argument. It's just an example of a bizarre cycle of events. You are a fucking moron Vic, and you're embarrassing yourself with this contrary stance. yet you fail to accept that Larson is a one off event, and that is not how 99% of transfer business is done.

See that is where you are wrong. The transfer window only restricts when you can actually transfer a player from one club to the next, it doesn't restrict you from negotiations or transfer fees or player contract details! again, name me a player other than Larson where this happened this january???? "Ok, so you got me with Larsson, and I did only ask you to come up with one player, thinking I had you all stumped......but I didn't.........but can you name me a player OTHER than Larsson where this happened this January." What a silly tosser. you've got nowt tbh gemms. If you had anything you would have stopped the mardy posts ages ago. Just repeating yourself now man

See that is where you are wrong. The transfer window only restricts when you can actually transfer a player from one club to the next, it doesn't restrict you from negotiations or transfer fees or player contract details! again, name me a player other than Larson where this happened this january???? All these were conducted on 1 January 2007 alone: Ade Akinbiyi [sheff Utd - Burnley] £750,000 Moses Ashikodi [Rangers - Watford] Nominal fee Stephen Black [Kansas City - Montrose] Loan George Boyd [stevenage - Peterborough] £260,000* * Pending - transfer due to be completed 8 January David Forde [Derry City - Cardiff City] Undisclosed Stephen Fraser [Montrose - St Andrews Utd] Loan Michael Fulton [Morton - Largs Thistle] Loan Alan Gilbridge [Morton - Largs Thistle] Loan Morgaro Gomis [Cowdenbeath - Dundee Utd] Nominal fee Stefan Gonet [Morton - Clydebank] Loan Dean Holden [Peterborough - Falkirk] Undisclosed Paul Keegan [st Patrick's Athletic - Motherwell] Undisclosed Michael Kightly [Grays - Wolves] Nominal fee Scott Marshall [unattached - Cowdenbeath] David MacLeod [Morton - Largs Thistle] Loan Neil McCallum [st Johnstone - Alloa] Loan Mark McChrystal [Derry City - Partick] Undisclosed Paul McGowan [Celtic - Morton] Loan Michael McIndoe [barnsley - Wolves] £250,000 Derek McInnes [Millwall - St Johnstone] Undisclosed Trevor Molloy [st Patrick's Athletic - Motherwell] Undisclosed Kevin Moon [st Johnstone - Forfar] Loan Michael Mullen [Queen of the South - Stranraer] Loan Danny Murphy [Cork - Motherwell] Undisclosed Neil Stephen [Peterhead - Montrose] Undisclosed sorry, which one of those players should we have contracted by mid November?

wasn't there widespread opinion a while back that no wanted Cole? Roeder's been slagged fol loan signings already, why would this be any different? People would only be outraged that we loaned Luque oput for no long term replacement. And surely Luque didn't move because we weren't going to pay 2/3 of his wages while at PSV. Is that really being obstructive? At least this way we can use him if we want to.

dunno what O'Neil has done to scar you so personally, but No one is saying he's a footballing Midas. Simply that he's done well at the clubs he's managed with a pretty limited budget. The reason I mentioned Moore's absence was because it lead to a forced switch of formation and strategy. The players he has available are not as strong as the squads available to ourselves and certainly not Chelsea. I wasn't even saying he will definitely go on to win a cache of trophies at Villa, simply advising to give him a little more time than you have. he's a nearly man who will always need one more season until you realise you've pissed away 10 years on the twat

people WANT us to be in West Ham's position. The league table doesn't matter as long as you spend each and every window signing half the planet, only to get rid of them at the next, along with your manager This is what I meant in the other thread when I mentioned coming up with silly arguments that make you look stupid, for the sole purpose of being Little Miss Contrary. You're clearly not a stupid bloke so why do you insist on portraying yourself as one? Am I missing something? He's at the bestest university in the known universe man. Or something. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt to see if I could get him to stop being such a dick. you disagree that West Ham's transfer activity is being held up as how we should be doing things? of course the post is a bit over the top, but I would expect most people not to take everything as read, and be able to extract the basic point. However, pedantry seems to be the order of the day for the gemmilator

See that is where you are wrong. The transfer window only restricts when you can actually transfer a player from one club to the next, it doesn't restrict you from negotiations or transfer fees or player contract details! again, name me a player other than Larson where this happened this january????

There's been an incident just like that in this transfer window. Peterborough were trying to buy a bloke from Dagenham & Redbridge and havd a pre-contract agreement (most likely with some form of down payment made). Then Peterborough sacked their manager and the player had a change of heart and decided he wanted to stay at D&R (was also being linked with a move to a bigger club in the summer). Peterborough chairman was threatening to take it to the courts and as a result, the player did make the move.... egg fucking sactly a point lost on all these fuckers imagine if we had agreed to sell harper or huntington or butt 2 months ago. I'm not saying you shouldn't always have targets in mind, which of course we do, but to go to the lengths of contracting players before you can move them is pointless. The simple fact that only Larson has been dealt with this way illustrates the point.

people WANT us to be in West Ham's position. The league table doesn't matter as long as you spend each and every window signing half the planet, only to get rid of them at the next, along with your manager

so you reckon the situation wouldn't change between November and Jan 31? Why is it we have to do everything by December but dealing inside the window is fine for everyone else? And as i've said before, most people are going by what is reported by Anal as to what Roeder has / has not done. Gooch was contacted weeks ago FFS and no-one had a clue Where has dealing inside the window got us? Of course dealing inside the window is fine if you can do it effectively. But planning and negotiating in advance would be a good idea, particularly when you feel like Roeder that the window is too restrictive. Do you think that this second successive window fuck-up is down to bad luck? you think because we don't start enquiring months ago has any bearing on whether a deal goes through on the only day it matters? How about we just send a questionaire out to every club in the world in mid september asking them to list all the players they are willing to sell to NUFC? I think that it stands to reason that negotiating over a period of several months, rather than one month, gives you a greater probability of reaching an agreement on a player. I think that's common sense. Manchester United did it with Henrik Larsson, as you've recently learned. How about you don't make silly irrelevant suggestions about questionnaires? so if Larson had borken his leg on Dec 31st, or his club's manager changed and he decided he wanted to keep him, what happens? where has 'planning' got you then? sure you have in mind potential targets before the window opens, but that's just it. Anyone suggesting Roeder didn't have that is a fucking moron. My point is, until you are in a position to talk terms and sign contracts, what's the fucking point. And then, when it turns out none of your potential deals come off, you are still up shit creek whether you started talking in October or the middle of January. Putting up Larson as an example of how it should be done, when in fact it is the only example of a contract signde before the window, is ludicrous in the extreme, especially when it's a deal we could never have done even if we tried.