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Am I allowed to dislike Middlesbrough more than Sunderland?

I've seen them play a fair bit. I don't have a season ticket anymore as I've been investing in my studio and money's a bit tight. I get to cup games whenever I can which to be fair is about as much as I can be arsed with. It's obvious to me that Bellamy could scare a defence. Having said that, he didn't score as many as he should have IMO. My point is that sometimes in an organisation you have to get rid of an individual for the good of the "whole". 38607[/snapback] Whats that got to do with being an armchair supporter ? And nice to see you only bother going when "you can be arsed" Also, football isn't a "business" in the normal way, are you one of those who thinks fans are "customers" 38610[/snapback] Soopafan tbh. We can disagree without trying to argue who's more supporterior. My mother-in-law's best friend follows Cliff Richard around the world, do I have to think he's as brill as she obviously does? I agree football is unlike other businesses to a point, but as neither of us knows for sure the whole story, we have to take a guess. You take yours, I take mine. Whatever, we now have Owen and Shearer and I'm chuffed. Owen is a pro who will attract the right kind of players for the future. Could you say the same of Bellamy?

I've seen them play a fair bit. I don't have a season ticket anymore as I've been investing in my studio and money's a bit tight. I get to cup games whenever I can which to be fair is about as much as I can be arsed with. It's obvious to me that Bellamy could scare a defence. Having said that, he didn't score as many as he should have IMO. My point is that sometimes in an organisation you have to get rid of an individual for the good of the "whole".

Didn't Gary Speed say how irritating he was? Also that text to Shearer? If he'd been liked, don't you think we'd have heard some stories of revolt from the dressing room wanting him to stay?

Without team spirit, you have no chance. If he was contributing to unrest I don't care how good he may be. Pro footballers these days need the whole package. Ability, workrate and attitude. 2 out of 3 won't do anymore. I'm glad Souness had the guts to do a necessary job. Leazes Mag, do you have any experience of running a business? You sound like an armchair expert but maybe you have good reason to?

They gave him a medical and still bought him. What argument can they really have?

Make your case! It's not for us to say. Give us your opinion. There's also a good current slant to the story which is the impact of pubs illegally showing live premiership football on Saturdays. Maybe you feel differently about that? Maybe not. Maybe you feel that as Premiership clubs charge too much for your liking, you are entitled to find it elsewhere for free. How does that affect your clubs ability to buy the players you want? I care less personally about the football issue as I am not employed in the industry, maybe you feel different?

If Shola wasn't a Geordie, he'd have been shown the door by now. He's cack.

His goal against Brazil in the 2002 World Cup was pretty cool IIRC.

I actually agree with the basis of AFs argument, if everyone went out and downloaded music instead of buying CDs then the music industry would go down the pan and hard working, talented artists/ songwriters would lose their livelyhoods and their right to make money off what is at the end of the day their property. All Im saying is that I dont agree that everyone who downloads is a thief. 38511[/snapback] Like I've said, I have no problem with people who download then buy/delete. However, it does require an individual to have integrity. Quite a hard one for many to here to grasp as it requires some self accountability!

He's only 30 though! Besides, he'd be a good influence on our defenders too. As long as he isn't ludicrously expensive I'd be happy for him to come on a 2-3 year deal.

Let's just have a look at these "minority" arguments. I don't like racist jokes I don't agree with taking music without paying for it I think Souness should get more time (!) They're the ones that came up so far. I'm just prepared to stick my neck out and say what I think, even though it may be easier to go with the flow. I'm not going to change to fit in, fuck that.

Horseshit. Copyright exists to protect and remunerate the individual/s who develop whatever has been given that copyright. Books, software, computer games, music, films all cost someone something to develop. If you take that away, you take away the ability for someone to make art and the world becomes lifeless. His argument that the Sony/Microsoft should profit from the theft of other people's intellectual property is ridiculous. It's like saying football matches should be free, or clothes or food. If I was a parent, I'd be hoping my child wasn't being taught by him.

Whether or not you feel guilty, it's still illegal. You have the right to break the law (if that's not an oxymoron!) if you are prepared to accept any consequences of being caught. Interesting point about replacing formats you previously bought though. You could argue that you bought the right to hear that song and it was the inadequacy of the medium that gave out.

Sima. Do you ever do or say anything positive?

Nah sorry like but thats bollocks. Im not saying the music industry pricings the reason for me downloading its all down to having a listen first before deciding to buy. There are some bands that I wont download but go out and buy the album when its released because I know that I want to get it. Now why would I bother if I was happy enough with a copy? At the end of the day I like owning and building up a varied CD collection and wouldnt wank that up by slotting in a couple of crappy copied versions in there. At the same time because of the wonders of technology, gone are the days of hearing a great single on the radio going to HMV and shelling £12 quid out on the album to find its shite. Now I can download the album, listen to it and if I like it go out and purchase. What difference is it to a friend lending you the CD so you can listen to it before deciding to buy yourself? 38464[/snapback] It does say (I think) "no unauthorised hiring or lending on the sleeve" normally. But hair splitting aside (!), common sense says that those people here who download music to see whether or not they like an album (then go out and buy the CD) aren't the problem. There are clearly 2 types of "downloaders". Those with integrity and those without. Those who use downloading as a kind of review to decide what to buy, and those who just steal. The problem is lost revenue. If you don't buy it and get into the mindset that music is free, then you are basically a thief.

Shola Ameobi is absolutely cack! Hooray for another 3 points though. Maybe you're not for the Chop Souey.

I'll answer the first point Gems. It's one of the reasons I don't use legal download sites like iTunes (even if I am a mac lover). There is nothing like owning the actual CD. You don't just buy the cd, it's the packaging, the sleeve notes etc. Sound quality is an issue too, not all of the stuff you can download is of a good quality (although this is notthe case with iTunes). Lastly, I buy the albums I like because I want to support the artist. I like their album, so I pay them for it. I actually buy more albums now than I used too, yet I still download too. Nine times out of ten however, I'm buying an album I've actually heard. I downloaded the last Oasis album 6-8 weeks before it came out, I had it on pre-order with cd-wow 4 weeks before it came out and it was delivered soon after it came out. I promptly deleted the version I had downloaded and re-ripped the actual cd onto my mac. The difference is that I now only buy albums I actually like. I rarely buy an album I haven't listened to first (with the exception of the Foo Fighters last album - it had such good write ups that I just bought it). What I am doing is not legal, but I can live with myself as I tend to buy the stuff I keep. On the flip side, you have a point as there are plenty of theiving gyppos would dont even do this 38452[/snapback] You're right about the quality too. mp3s are nowhere near as good as CD. The work I do can involve tight deadlines but I still have to post the music on a CD. An mp3 maybe 4MB but that same track in an uncompressed format would be over 20MB. That's quite a lot of information that you're chucking away.

I can't believe Owen plays for us. It just hit me again. How cool is that!!!

It's not for me to tell you off! It's entirely a matter for your conscience. I've said how I feel about it and why, but I'm not naieve enough to think it doesn't happen.

Good post I agree with much of what you say. My only concern is that once you stop paying for something, it's hard to go back. When I was a kid, having the LP was far nicer than having a recorded tape. Also, as record companies phase out the physical product itself, they are in danger of losing that desire to own the recording. Once a recording is zeros and ones why would anyone care if it was the original data or copied data.

You give a lot away with your insults.

What bit about "fuck off, no one likes you" don't you understand. 38434[/snapback] Atta boy Wacky, let it all out. That pent up frustration! Good Wacky. Now go and do something positive. Like go window shopping for soft furnishings. Maybe knock up a mood board. Let your imagination run riot. *waits for neanderthal uneducated response*

Hopefully Kuyt

Shh.