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IP check throw up anything of interest? Some sort of name and shame section whould be nice. 49450[/snapback] Heavens. Am I of that much interest to you? Lordy. You know how to have a good time don't you. So, letters AFTER name?

Very quickly, If you look at the construction of his own reality then consider the issues relating to quality within that reality then I think his error in assuming we don't have that quality withing our own reality. Too much empirical evidence is used. Its a theory. Flawed though.

Ahh apologies I just assumed that someone of a more advanced aged and intellect wouldnt lie about their age on their main logon account. 49445[/snapback] My apologies for hitting random numbers when making accounts. anything else? Do you always fill in junk accurately?

Yes it is, I'm interested in why it took you so long to say that. Google is our friend, hey, AF? 49440[/snapback] I didnt see it? You commented on it. I replied. Everyone can mis-spell so I won't go down your purile route. Pirsig's work is flawed but interesting in the manner its constructed. Do you want me to explain it to you? With your razor sharp mind and wit you will go far. So how many words AFTER your name?

Is that meant to be a sense of humour? Idiot.

The mind boggles. 49409[/snapback] Assuming the people here had one. Apologies for grammar and typing. Wasnt aware it was it a test. As for 1sr year sociology? Nope 16 letters after name so far. More to come in December. Yourself? 49412[/snapback] I've got 11 letters in my name, first time I've ever checked that, had to use my fingers and all! How do you feel about Pirzig's arguments on the Church of Reason? 49417[/snapback] It's Pirsig. Not Pirzig I said after name . Not in it.

That could, of course, be one and the same problem. Incorrect though. Academia isn't any better than anywhere else with regard to racism. It does note the problems though and takes an interest in what is happening at present. It is aware of what is right and what is wrong. What can lead to where. What is derived from what and why. That allows progress. Funnily enough the same sort of thing happened in the last 50 years and we have progressed as a result. Now isnt the time to stop. For your information. 'Bling' is NOT racist on its own. However, the choice of terminology and context combined do lead to problems. Hence the comments regarding David 'bling' Beckham being very different to Jermaine 'bling bastard i hope you die' Jenas. It's use becomes slightly worse when we note that similar terms are used for NUFC's black players but the white ones avoid it. We havent had Craig 'bling (in its OED sense) bastard' Bellamy for instance. That it is condoned on both forums tells you all you need to know about the age of those running them. Enjoy your evening.

This isnt a game to win. Stop acting like a child. You have trivialised enough. That is the issue. The cropping of your post does indeed make you look less of a tit but if that makes you happy then fair enough. i am flattered by your assumption of my age peasepud. Incorrect but that seems to be par for the course.

The mind boggles. 49409[/snapback] So basically, given you've referred to people as 'side lights' bez, you're trivialsing the issue and, hence, propogating the problem? 49411[/snapback] Well done Alex. Your ignorance has trivialised a decent debate. I worry for people like you. I worry that you have so little to say of relevance. Enjoy half-term. 49413[/snapback] I may be wrong but I believe you started the name calling. What is writing off the views of people who don't agree with you as school kids if it isn't trivialising the debate? You may well be an academic and you come across as a clever person but that doesn't necessarily make you right. The funny thing is, nobody defended the comments about Jenas, just some people didn't think they were necessarily racist. You disagreed, which is fine. 49419[/snapback] You have lost track. In fact I responded to your trivilisation alex. The name calling? Look back and see where it starts. You will be surprised. Nb: If this opens anyones eyes to the issue rather than descending into childish behaviour then its worth it. There are more racist issues here (supporting NUFC) than people are aware of. In a few years time some of what is written will look deplorable. That it isnt evident to some now doesnt mean it doesnt exist. That is the point and I will argue that for now and remind you of it sometime.

I feel privileged, honestly. The irony of you callling others bairns on this issue! If Bruner is a one strike and out kind of guy I doubt I'd have much time for him, I'm not really down with the totalitarian posse, ooh, racist, shame. The idea that I trivialise racism? Another pathetic misconception by yourself. 49414[/snapback] Bruner isn't. The irony is that you assume he is. Read up on it. You might learn something. He talks of culture and it's place and importance in modern society. Sadly, there are examples of you trivialising this issue. You commented on one yourself. As for misconception? Well, tell me how well qualified you are to tell me I'm a 1st year sociology student. Plenty of irony from you Dotbum.

The mind boggles. 49409[/snapback] So basically, given you've referred to people as 'side lights' bez, you're trivialsing the issue and, hence, propogating the problem? 49411[/snapback] Well done Alex. Your ignorance has trivialised a decent debate. I worry for people like you. I worry that you have so little to say of relevance. Enjoy half-term.

The mind boggles. 49409[/snapback] Assuming the people here had one. Apologies for grammar and typing. Wasnt aware it was it a test. As for 1sr year sociology? Nope 16 letters after name so far. More to come in December. Yourself?

That you dont understand what the term 'culture' means is your problem. Read Bruner. He explains it perfectly. Yes , if it orginates in black culture and you read into it further then it is a facet of contemporary black culture. I'm afraid that whilst we have people who choose to ignore racism and its different nuances and connotations simply because they cant undertand then we have a problem. 49395[/snapback] So where would you draw the line exactly? How many years after a term is coined is it no longer offensive to that culture to use it in an offensive manner? I haven't read Bruner but I shall have a look. I don't feel handicapped by my obvious intellectual inferiority to your good self on this issue, though, thanks for your concern. 49403[/snapback] I have little problem with you. More with the attitude that trivialises it. There are plenty of examples. This issue was one i raised as a reminder of KROF day. Bairns like sima and Alex arent bright or mature enough. You might be. Bruner would help you get the picture though. I can post you a copy if you wish. Racism is one strike and out. There are plenty of example in N-Os history where that hasnt been the case and some very odd examples of people on here going well overboard and probably saying something just a shade away from criminal. I am absolutely certain (as are my colleagues) that in 3 years time Albert Kirkleys comments will be criminal in context.

Good point. Given the ignorant comments on here I dont share your optimism though. As ever it becomes less of debate and more of a 'i want to win' argument for bairns on half term. It is disappointing that people feel the need to trivialise the issue simply because they cant understand it. That is what propogates the problem and gives it life.

That's the point I'm getting at. White people make black music and have helped in the evolution of black music. I still really don't understand how the word bastard makes it racist? "Oi, you fatty" - hahahahahaaaaaa "Oi, you fat bastard" - you racist wanker! eh? 49394[/snapback] Sima. Its pointless trying to explain it. You are clever enough to understand it. Trivialising something you cant comprehend is just further evidence of your own dim-witted ignorance though.

That you dont understand what the term 'culture' means is your problem. Read Bruner. He explains it perfectly. Yes , if it orginates in black culture and you read into it further then it is a facet of contemporary black culture. I'm afraid that whilst we have people who choose to ignore racism and its different nuances and connotations simply because they cant undertand then we have a problem.

alex. do me a favour. away from your very interesting story...(did you call him "bling" or say "bling bastard who i hope dies?") why have people failed ot describe the very 'bling' Craig Bellamy 'a bling bastard' 49345[/snapback] The comment 'he's a bling bastard who should die' or whatever was obviously distasteful and I don't agree with it. But one person has said it on here. I don't think it is necessarily racist. What point are you making? That one person has said something on here that you deem to be racist? Is that it? If so fine. 49353[/snapback] do you think the terms he used and the context had a racist tone? 49364[/snapback] No, but I'm sure he can speak for himself. I know Alberto quite well (his Dad and my Dad used to play football together) and he isn't racist to the best on my knowledge. I think he meant Jenas is a flash bastard although he obviously went over the top with his comments re: him deserving to die. At any time though please feel free to answer any of the questions I've asked you in this thread 49370[/snapback] I have . Ask them.You get an answer. I Repeat. Was the comment made racist in tone? You have little idea. Enjoy school next week. Why not CB? 49373[/snapback] I repeat no. You're very patronising, you're a school teacher on half-term, right? 49376[/snapback] Not for the first time. Wrong. Wouldnt get out of bed for a teachers salary. Your a side light? 49383[/snapback] What's a side light? 49386[/snapback] You. Not bright enough to be a head light.

Like you have everytime someone has pointed out to you that you were incorrect in this thread you mean? 49372[/snapback] side light 49374[/snapback] Eh? white people make "Black Music" you mong. 49377[/snapback] Dear God. You really are that thick arent you?

alex. do me a favour. away from your very interesting story...(did you call him "bling" or say "bling bastard who i hope dies?") why have people failed ot describe the very 'bling' Craig Bellamy 'a bling bastard' 49345[/snapback] The comment 'he's a bling bastard who should die' or whatever was obviously distasteful and I don't agree with it. But one person has said it on here. I don't think it is necessarily racist. What point are you making? That one person has said something on here that you deem to be racist? Is that it? If so fine. 49353[/snapback] do you think the terms he used and the context had a racist tone? 49364[/snapback] No, but I'm sure he can speak for himself. I know Alberto quite well (his Dad and my Dad used to play football together) and he isn't racist to the best on my knowledge. I think he meant Jenas is a flash bastard although he obviously went over the top with his comments re: him deserving to die. At any time though please feel free to answer any of the questions I've asked you in this thread 49370[/snapback] I have . Ask them.You get an answer. I Repeat. Was the comment made racist in tone? You have little idea. Enjoy school next week. Why not CB? 49373[/snapback] I repeat no. You're very patronising, you're a school teacher on half-term, right? 49376[/snapback] Not for the first time. Wrong. Wouldnt get out of bed for a teachers salary. Your a side light?

It isnt simply the word. If I walk up to you and say 'youre looking very bling' then its harmless If you walk up to someone else and say 'youre a bling bastard' does it change the meaning of the terminology? 'Bling' is rooted in black culture (see above) the players who get 'bling bastard' aimed at them tend to be black David Beckham get 'bling' See the difference? Context. Hopefully you can see that now

Like you have everytime someone has pointed out to you that you were incorrect in this thread you mean? 49372[/snapback] side light

alex. do me a favour. away from your very interesting story...(did you call him "bling" or say "bling bastard who i hope dies?") why have people failed ot describe the very 'bling' Craig Bellamy 'a bling bastard' 49345[/snapback] The comment 'he's a bling bastard who should die' or whatever was obviously distasteful and I don't agree with it. But one person has said it on here. I don't think it is necessarily racist. What point are you making? That one person has said something on here that you deem to be racist? Is that it? If so fine. 49353[/snapback] do you think the terms he used and the context had a racist tone? 49364[/snapback] No, but I'm sure he can speak for himself. I know Alberto quite well (his Dad and my Dad used to play football together) and he isn't racist to the best on my knowledge. I think he meant Jenas is a flash bastard although he obviously went over the top with his comments re: him deserving to die. At any time though please feel free to answer any of the questions I've asked you in this thread 49370[/snapback] I have . Ask them.You get an answer. I Repeat. Was the comment made racist in tone? You have little idea. Enjoy school next week. Why not CB?

You've just made that up. 49365[/snapback] go to about page 3 or 4 and see the BBC link. Then apologise.

Call someone a white shit at the next game. The stewards will probably think you're Chinese. To be white has no negative connotation in our society. I'm sure people have been called a white bastard and outnumbered significantly, if it was me the name calling in itself wouldn't bother me, just the anticipated severe beating. 49363[/snapback] I doubt they will confuse me with a Chinaman to be honest but I get the point. You mention our society. What is 'our' society? It has changed time and time again for the last (at least) 2000 years. the world has shrunk. We are multi-cultural. In name alone most of the time. White has no negative connotation because we are white. It isnt used negatively either. I constantly get people writing things saying things that cant be used 'black market' for example.

alex. do me a favour. away from your very interesting story...(did you call him "bling" or say "bling bastard who i hope dies?") why have people failed ot describe the very 'bling' Craig Bellamy 'a bling bastard' 49345[/snapback] The comment 'he's a bling bastard who should die' or whatever was obviously distasteful and I don't agree with it. But one person has said it on here. I don't think it is necessarily racist. What point are you making? That one person has said something on here that you deem to be racist? Is that it? If so fine. 49353[/snapback] do you think the terms he used and the context had a racist tone?