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Why don't you name and shame these "unintelligent bairns" then? 48795[/snapback] There is no shame in not being erudite Renton. Nor is there any shame in being young and daft. Ignorance though? That is the issue.

Provokes thought and that is why we have KROF days. When you grow up you might even understand the big words.

Cant agree peasepud Bling, as you have read, is intrinsically linked to black music and culture Bling bastard is thus not 'diamond wearing bastard' is it? I will let you work it out. Do a search on Newcastle forums for bling. See the association. We dont get that analogy or similar used with our white players. That is the point Personally, I am certain that black players (like most balck employees) have more to prove than their white equivalent. I will keep pointing that out at work, union meetings and here until its a level playing field. That is the point. 48762[/snapback] Bling isn't black culture, it's a less than pleasant phenomenon which is ingrained in certain groups of predominantly black kids. Just like we have white charvers. It's not ALL white culture, nor should it be seen as such. 48790[/snapback] Bling is in fact part of black culture. There are some excellent web sites commenting on it and some very good articles recently in the (not so well named) broadsheets

No. I though he said 5 minutes rather than 10. Did you got to the game yesterday?

Anyway peasepud. Just as an intelligent conversation was starting the bairns came onto the forum. Something for the intelligent amongst you to think about.

Five minutes? Well, yesterday was Kick Racism out of football day Renton. So for the first time ever I registered as not_a_racist As the day was done and the event gone. I renamed as Bez. A man I saw many times with the Happy Mondays. Been here for about 36 hours now. 36 hours = 36 *60 = 2160 minutes Not every 10 minutes as you claim. Thanks Yours sincerely, The smug, arrogant bastard!

But are you saying then that if we had a black player who totally immersed himself in their black culture so that there was nothing you could refer to which wasnt in some way related to the colour of their skin then that player should be immune from criticism for fear of sounding racist regardless of how poorly they performed or handled themselves off the pitch? 48773[/snapback] No. i used 'bling' as an example. In its real sense the use of the term 'bling bastard' is another way of saying 'black bastard' For some that is how it is used. Its just an example. I agree with the other word that i try to avoid thinking of never mind typing. Did you see what i meant by the other comments on the previous post? Do they make sense? Women? Black people have to try harder generally in society. Why are we the exception? Were not in my opinion. I dont doubt the black players played poorly. I have said that myself many times. I just feel they get less chance than white ones. WE arent as tolerant in my view.

The crowd is getting worse at SJP. Its like listening to bairns playing Championship Manager. Walk up to the ground and you here SKYSPORTS soundbites. "This one is WORLD CLASS - CNZ" (and he was poor today- one or two touches and people start rolling over themselves to honour him-in two months they will have him as scapegoat) Sheep? Unfortunately that is too true. I still go to other grounds when i cant get to away games. Places like Norwich, Ipswich, Sheffield Wed, Crewe, Luton etc have a core of proper fans who have been there for years. They understand the club AND its history (before the bairns start - 4 of those have won trophies more recently than us). Better astmosphere. Less spoilt. Ours is getting an embarrassment. Perhaps we grew to quickly and left a generation who didnt get in acting like automatons. Perhaps its tellys overkill. whatever it is. I have never seen a crowd at SJP more fickle and less aware than it is recently (last 5 years or so) 48622[/snapback] Jesus wept. The fact that the whole "Easy" thing never gets done at SJP apart from yesterday and on very rare occasions at cup games proves to me that it was used yesterday for no other reason than to wind the mackems up. Talk of "40,000 wankaz" and condemnation of the majority of the crowd is a slight overreaction to people taking the piss out of some plebs in the away end, don't you think?? Incidentally I wasn't involved in the chant, and think it's a bit crap, but I'm not quite self-righteous enough to pass judgement on those that were. 48634[/snapback] The chant isnt the point Gemmill. The atmosphere and fickle nature of our crowd is. People seem incapable of thinking without something they heard some fat bloke on SKY say popping into the conversation/argument. Sheep.Easy Easy is simply another example. An embarrassing and cheesy one. 48684[/snapback] While I don't like the easy easy chant at all, you do come across as self-righteous, smug, arrogant, superior ar erm chap. I know who'd I'd rather sit next to. 48769[/snapback] From you, i will take it as a compliment. Thanks.

Cant agree peasepud Bling, as you have read, is intrinsically linked to black music and culture Bling bastard is thus not 'diamond wearing bastard' is it? I will let you work it out. Do a search on Newcastle forums for bling. See the association. We dont get that analogy or similar used with our white players. That is the point Personally, I am certain that black players (like most balck employees) have more to prove than their white equivalent. I will keep pointing that out at work, union meetings and here until its a level playing field. That is the point. 48762[/snapback] But the point that many people on here are making is that the use of the bling put down is nothing to do with the colour of the skin or the origins of the word its to do with the actual bling, the fact that not many of the white players wear the bling is the reason why they dont get called for it. I'd be interested to get some views from black fans however we dont know who they are on here because surprise surprise we've never bothered to ask the question for one simple reason, its irrelevant to any discussions we have. Regardless of your own personal view I think you'll find that overall the extremely vast majority of Newcastle fans couldnt give a rats arse what colour the player is. 48768[/snapback] I probably agree that most fans are opposed to racism. In the same way we all tend to oppose sexism. However, there are massive problems in getting society to level itself out. Black workers are generally (and of course there are exceptions) not treated equally. It doesnt always happen. We know that. Its a serious issue. Same for women in the workplace. Hence men get paid more than women generally and get promoted more easily. The vast majority of managers in the UK say they arent sexist or racist. So how does this still happen? Well, sometimes we (some of us) cant avoid our own prejudice. In many ways we are the judges of the workers at NUFC. Why should our fans be any different to what society knows? That black 'workers' (substitute workers for players) have to prove themselves more and are given less opportunity to do so. The vitriol that occurs when - and 'bling bastard' is simply one example - the term is used is the issue that needs looking at. Why use a term thay we all know is linked to the black population? I still think black players have more to do at NUFC than white ones. that is my issue.

Cris WAS a footballer who played badly. Doesnt mean he is always going to be poor I suppose. Frank Lampard struggled to justify his reputation just after his pie eating West Ham days. He improved too. Does surprise me he has got to that level though. If Shola works hard is he going to be there next year?

Valid point. totally ignores the context and associated vitriol though.

So you don't think 'bling' is a racist term* and you think anyone who plays shit gets abuse. So we're all in agreement. It's very noble to start a racism debate but the suggestion that criticism on this board has a racist connotation is wide of the mark I think. *Anyone who does is insane. The notion that the use of a phrase coined by a black person is in itself racist is possibly the most racist thing I've EVER heard. 48760[/snapback] Some black people use the term 'nigga' doesnt mean we can start saying it does it?

Cant agree peasepud Bling, as you have read, is intrinsically linked to black music and culture Bling bastard is thus not 'diamond wearing bastard' is it? I will let you work it out. Do a search on Newcastle forums for bling. See the association. We dont get that analogy or similar used with our white players. That is the point Personally, I am certain that black players (like most balck employees) have more to prove than their white equivalent. I will keep pointing that out at work, union meetings and here until its a level playing field. That is the point.

Black music and image intrinsically linked to black people. Bling bastard? Acceptable or not? I have no problem with you Gol. Never had. Nor Gemmill. My point is to stir debate on Kick Racism out of Football Day. It needs intelligent people - and I think you two are intelligent (hence the lazy minded today comment)- to discuss it. In the end look at the comment from the BBC. Bling is a term for and from black culture. It is unacceptable, regardless of whether or not we (wrongly) see bling as just being a big diamond ring, to use it in the terms it used. 'Bling bastard' has a tacit racist connotation for many. You? No. Me? No. but their is certainly bile their from many. Is Tyneside racist? Not sure. However, I still beleive that we havea problem bigger than we care to acknowledge. That was the reply Gol

SWEEP UNDER CARPET? Explain why Babayaro gets the 'bling bastard' comments when playing well - and people say he is shite when clearly he has done well. Whilst Stephen Carr doesnt get any such moniker for playing worse? Is the moniker - widely used - acceptable? We all know its connotations and what it actually mens in that context. Nb: |Regardless of the fact that you wish to sweep it under the carpet, I assume you have accepted that its not YOU personally I am talking of. However, it DOES exist. More widespread than youre prepared to acknowledge. It happens on this forum. Regularly. 48723[/snapback] Did you not rate Carr highly in yesterday's game, whilst I said he was shite? Surely that's me being racist? 48725[/snapback] Carr has been poor this season. Yesterday he did fine. So what? I see people didnt resort to descibing him as a ??? bastard though. did they. Babayaro, however, gets a slightly different response. Not from you. However, youre attitude makes you as cuplable as them at present. Idiot. 48728[/snapback] Sorry, I failed to spot that you were purely stating the obvious that racism does actually exist in this world. Congratulations for spotting that one. Just how many Newcastle supporters to that apply to by the way, based on your evidence and findings? Loving the irony that after you resorted to personal attacks, you then complained when it happened back to you. Bit lazy minded that one. "you're" btw 48732[/snapback] It's called irony. I apologise for using shorthand. In future, I will draw you pictures and post you crayons to colour it in with. Try to use them all. Well done on trivialising an important issue. One that is obvious but you DONT WANT to see. 48735[/snapback] What's called irony? That you got the grammar wrong? Congratulations on skipping every single point and question in my post though. Just how many Newcastle supporters does that apply to by the way, based on your evidence and findings? By the way, Gemmill has already used your put-down, just today in fact. Not very original of you tbh, and he's a lot funnier than you anyway 48737[/snapback] Hes more intelligent than you. He acknowledged that there is a problem. However, he did use the caveat (look it up on google) that it wasnt him! You really are the type of person that allows these issues to continue. Not quite bright enough to see the problem but too smug to acknowledge your own ignorance. Now, for the third time. Is 'bling bastard' an acceptable term in that context? Not that you have skipped it. Thats ironic too. 48740[/snapback] Here's me acknowledging it, a few posts back... Sorry, I failed to spot that you were purely stating the obvious that racism does actually exist in this world. Congratulations for spotting that one. That one ok for you? You're basing this "FACT" on your own opinion. Of course racism exists, we can all see it (towards all races, not just blacks) and I know you're not stupid enough to think that I refuse to acknowledge it (although maybe you are). Please please please show me some evidence where black players have to work twice as hard to be accepted at Newcastle. As for the bling bastard comments, I'm failing to see your point. Dyer is called bling because he wears bling. Jenas is called bling because he wears bling. Babayaro is called bling because he wears bling. If Carr turned up to a press conference wearing bling then I'm sure he'll get the label too. However, being labelled an "anything" bastard isn't acceptable in my opinion, regardless of colour. What's your point anyway, that Newcastle United are a racist club, or that some people in this world are racist. You're laughable at best mate. To say I was one of those championing for you to be unbanned on N-O, I'm beginning to wonder what the hell I was thinking. 48747[/snapback] Black music and image intrinsically linked to black people. Bling bastard? Acceptable or not? I have no problem with you Gol. Never had. Nor Gemmill. My point is to stir debate on Kick Racism out of Football Day. It needs intelligent people - and I think you two are intelligent (hence the lazy minded today comment)- to discuss it. In the end look at the comment from the BBC. Bling is a term for and from black culture. It is unacceptable, regardless of whether or not we (wrongly) see bling as just being a big diamond ring, to use it in the terms it used. 'Bling bastard' has a tacit racist connotation for many. You? No. Me? No. but their is certainly bile their from many. Is Tyneside racist? Not sure. However, I still beleive that we havea problem bigger than we care to acknowledge.

Whey that's cos you couldn't rightly describe any of our white players as bling! I never heard about Stephen Carr asking for the coach to be stopped so he could go and get his diamond earrings and I never saw Andy O'Brien out on the tiles, let alone swanking it up in VIP with the dolly birds (Jesus, I've turned into me fatha) and spread all over the newspapers. As has been pointed out, your argument that shit black players get more grief than shit white ones says more about you than anyone else in St James'. All shit players get grief, but you only take to heart the grief given to black players. Around me there have been one man crusades against virtually every player at the club. Carr, O'Brien and Butt have all victims but also good players like Bellamy, Robert and even Shearer. 48743[/snapback] Never saw Stephen Carr described by 'fans' using terms that are tacitly racist terms either. I couldnt give a toss who gets grief if its a level playing field. Its not though. If it was then the likes of Bowyer, Carr, Butt would have been castigated at the same rate Jenas, Dyer, Babayaro and Faye were. DO you think that shit black players are treated equally? Even in terms of form. Not there quality? Is that helpful?

First half it was good until their second goal went in. Then it was back to normal until the mongs decided it had been 'easy'

SWEEP UNDER CARPET? Explain why Babayaro gets the 'bling bastard' comments when playing well - and people say he is shite when clearly he has done well. Whilst Stephen Carr doesnt get any such moniker for playing worse? Is the moniker - widely used - acceptable? We all know its connotations and what it actually mens in that context. Nb: |Regardless of the fact that you wish to sweep it under the carpet, I assume you have accepted that its not YOU personally I am talking of. However, it DOES exist. More widespread than youre prepared to acknowledge. It happens on this forum. Regularly. 48723[/snapback] Did you not rate Carr highly in yesterday's game, whilst I said he was shite? Surely that's me being racist? 48725[/snapback] Carr has been poor this season. Yesterday he did fine. So what? I see people didnt resort to descibing him as a ??? bastard though. did they. Babayaro, however, gets a slightly different response. Not from you. However, youre attitude makes you as cuplable as them at present. Idiot. 48728[/snapback] Sorry, I failed to spot that you were purely stating the obvious that racism does actually exist in this world. Congratulations for spotting that one. Just how many Newcastle supporters to that apply to by the way, based on your evidence and findings? Loving the irony that after you resorted to personal attacks, you then complained when it happened back to you. Bit lazy minded that one. "you're" btw 48732[/snapback] It's called irony. I apologise for using shorthand. In future, I will draw you pictures and post you crayons to colour it in with. Try to use them all. Well done on trivialising an important issue. One that is obvious but you DONT WANT to see. 48735[/snapback] What's called irony? That you got the grammar wrong? Congratulations on skipping every single point and question in my post though. Just how many Newcastle supporters does that apply to by the way, based on your evidence and findings? By the way, Gemmill has already used your put-down, just today in fact. Not very original of you tbh, and he's a lot funnier than you anyway 48737[/snapback] Hes more intelligent than you. He acknowledged that there is a problem. However, he did use the caveat (look it up on google) that it wasnt him! You really are the type of person that allows these issues to continue. Not quite bright enough to see the problem but too smug to acknowledge your own ignorance. Now, for the third time. Is 'bling bastard' an acceptable term in that context? Not that you have skipped it. Thats ironic too.

SWEEP UNDER CARPET? Explain why Babayaro gets the 'bling bastard' comments when playing well - and people say he is shite when clearly he has done well. Whilst Stephen Carr doesnt get any such moniker for playing worse? Is the moniker - widely used - acceptable? We all know its connotations and what it actually mens in that context. Nb: |Regardless of the fact that you wish to sweep it under the carpet, I assume you have accepted that its not YOU personally I am talking of. However, it DOES exist. More widespread than youre prepared to acknowledge. It happens on this forum. Regularly. 48723[/snapback] Did you not rate Carr highly in yesterday's game, whilst I said he was shite? Surely that's me being racist? 48725[/snapback] Carr has been poor this season. Yesterday he did fine. So what? I see people didnt resort to descibing him as a ??? bastard though. did they. Babayaro, however, gets a slightly different response. Not from you. However, youre attitude makes you as cuplable as them at present. Idiot. 48728[/snapback] Sorry, I failed to spot that you were purely stating the obvious that racism does actually exist in this world. Congratulations for spotting that one. Just how many Newcastle supporters to that apply to by the way, based on your evidence and findings? Loving the irony that after you resorted to personal attacks, you then complained when it happened back to you. Bit lazy minded that one. "you're" btw 48732[/snapback] It's called irony. 'Cast the first stone' and all. I apologise for using shorthand. In future, I will draw you pictures and post you crayons to colour it in with. Try to use them all. A basic search on the forums tells you that it exists on a larger scale than you seem to feel worth of discussing. Highlighting it seems to offend you. You havent explained yet whether 'bling bastard' is racist in the context we discussed. Or whether it is acceptable. Well done on trivialising an important issue. One that is obvious but you DONT WANT to see.

Good players get no grief, regardless of creed or colour. Mostly, in most cases it is the case. However, the point remains. Black players on Tyneside have more work to do to win fans over than White ones. Black players get still get tacit abuse which we seem to accept e.g. bling bastard. White ones dont. why? Acceptable?

I wouldn't be surprised if Souness was the kind of character who'd be upset by the rumours that do the rounds about Ambrose. That might be grossly unfair but it's the kind of image Souness chooses to portray. I agree, quality player who we could have done with this season. Who on here wouldn't have rathered Clark and Ambrose in the middle than Faye and Clark? 48703[/snapback] Ambrose apparently was on his for his own reasons. He didnt want to stay. According to the Ipswich lot I know Bent and Ambrose were on their way to Charlton together for a while. They are disappointed he didnt go back there. It was assumed he and Bent would both be Ipswich players if ITFC had got promoted. Very highly rated down there in Ipswich. More so than Bent and always has been. Shame he went. More of a shame we didnt manage to get Bent as well when we signed Ambrose.

SWEEP UNDER CARPET? Explain why Babayaro gets the 'bling bastard' comments when playing well - and people say he is shite when clearly he has done well. Whilst Stephen Carr doesnt get any such moniker for playing worse? Is the moniker - widely used - acceptable? We all know its connotations and what it actually mens in that context. Nb: |Regardless of the fact that you wish to sweep it under the carpet, I assume you have accepted that its not YOU personally I am talking of. However, it DOES exist. More widespread than youre prepared to acknowledge. It happens on this forum. Regularly. 48723[/snapback] Did you not rate Carr highly in yesterday's game, whilst I said he was shite? Surely that's me being racist? 48725[/snapback] Carr has been poor this season. Yesterday he did fine. So what? I see people didnt resort to descibing him as a ??? bastard though. did they. Babayaro, however, gets a slightly different response. Not from you. However, youre attitude makes you as cuplable as them at present. Idiot.

Nonsense Gol. Bramble has always taken more abuse than AOB. FACT! at the end of the sentence doesnt make it a fact. AOB took stick but never the vitriol that followed Titus Bramble. Rather than trivialising the issue try and read into it deeper and realise we still have aproblem. 48714[/snapback] Woosh over the "FACT" tine tbh. Anyway, it's a problem created by people who claim it is a problem. YOU'RE the one that's claiming it's a race issue. Back to your previous post regarding the word "bling"....don't you think that's down to what the actual term means? You think it gets applied to all black players, or just players who walk around covered in thousands of pounds worth of large diamond studded jewels? Fancy going back to my question about Nicky Butt, or are we leaving that one as it doesn't quite fit your arguement? 48717[/snapback] Bling is associated with the black community generally. If you wish I can get you documented evidence of that. That is its origin. The point is that BLACK players get more easily abused simply because as a nation/area we see that BLACK people are more susceptible to abuse than WHITE ones. It happens in all walks of life. Black people (and in fact women in the workplace) have to prove more and quicker than WHITE people. Again that is FACT! (aside from the whoosh/tbh shite) Bling is just another example of tacit racism in the form it is used here and at the match. There are players like Butt who were given more time than the likes of Faye. Both consistently shite. Why? Its tacit. It exists and it people like you who trivialise it that ensure it still exists. Youre lazy minded Gol. 48721[/snapback] Please provide me with the evidence that Butt was given more time by the fans than Faye, and then compare with their performances. I feel you might not be able to do that. Lazy minded eh? On what basis? I for one have never thought "he's black, so he's shit". I've always thought "he's shit, so he's shit". What's lazy minded by that. Exactly what Pud said; the problem is created by those thinking it is a problem. You gonna call me racist next, or just sticking with the lazy minded insult? Tosser. 48724[/snapback] Dont get personal you idiot. Youre lazy minded. Or too thick to acknowledge the documented evidence that black people are more easily susceptible to abuse. It happens too bloody easily you prick. That is FACT. Not your childish FACT! shit Evidence? go to the bloody match and you will see. Butt didnt get abuse for 6 months for playing shite. Faye lasted about 3 weeks. Bowyer? He isnt good enough but its accepted. Why? You still havent said why you think 'bling bastard is acceptable. That is either lazy minded today or youre thick as pig shit? Which one? Explain the Babayaro /Carr analogy this season. Explain why his decent performances are met with 'bling bastard' YOure worse than those that do it.

SWEEP UNDER CARPET? Explain why Babayaro gets the 'bling bastard' comments when playing well - and people say he is shite when clearly he has done well. Whilst Stephen Carr doesnt get any such moniker for playing worse? Is the moniker - widely used - acceptable? We all know its connotations and what it actually mens in that context. Nb: |Regardless of the fact that you wish to sweep it under the carpet, I assume you have accepted that its not YOU personally I am talking of. However, it DOES exist. More widespread than youre prepared to acknowledge. It happens on this forum. Regularly.