Christmas Tree

It's less about me being ill informed on Keynesian economics and more about you being ill informed on political history. We had them for years up until the 70's / 80's when they were eventually chased out of town. The days when strong unions sucked the life out of companies leading to a capital flight of the U.K. We were known as "the sick man of Europe". May we never go back.

How many times did Corbyn vote against the labour leadership? 500 or something.

So this.

you're obsessed with the Daily Mail. If you honestly think the conservatives are worried about Corbyn you need to lied down in a dark room. 80% of his own MP's don't rate him. Pre 2015 Labour Party members prefer the other guy. According to polls, the electorate don't like him. He's got a way to go before conservative central office starts to notice he exists.

It's called entertainment

But parties that want to get elected don't promise all of the above as a goody bag at an election because the reality of paying for it all is pie in the sky. Taking all the private sector out of the NHS and social care sounds lovely. The problem will arise when Mr McDonnell has to put the sums on a bit of paper. Lovely slogan / full of holes.

You will always have the sheep who always vote labour / Tory , because that's what grandad did etc etc But middle England, the people who elect governments usually vote on the full package of policies. Which side is more competent to run the country for 5 years, not who has a few fuzzy policies. Surely the 2015 election after 5 years of austerity made this very clear to you. Any sniff of doubt that a party looks financially incapable and they won't get anywhere near. Not a hope in hell of middle England letting McDonnell borrow 500 billion. Labours biggest mistake in recent years was appointing the bacon mauler and not his brother.

so the government is going to change the voting system to aid their opposition. Give over.

Where you come across a bit naive imo (lately), is this story you have told yourself that everyone needs to "see the light" and vote for policies. The majority of the electorate do vote for policies, just very rarely left wing policies. To think that some two old back benchers and Dianne Abbott have suddenly found the secrets to winning successful caring democracy is laughable man. It's all the same old stuff from yesteryear. Borrow billions, nationalise public transport, set up cooperatives, industry's coming back blah blah blah. They haven't got a clue where all the money will come or more importantly what they do with. Never mind the yearly tax budget which would have to quadruple to pay for all their mad ideas. Honestly, you should go and read up on the 80's and see why Labour was unelectable for 18 years and why New Labour had to be what it was. Deja vu.

Dianne Abbott running the health service ffs

And they accuse me of fishing

Latest poll (Saturday) 4% less than Labour got at the last General Election.

His job to relieve that pressure? Hold the ball up? Not give it to the opposition.

Should have been game over first half. Also seen nothing yet from Mitro to suggest he should be starting. His most telling contribution today was giving the ball away that eventually led to their goal.

This would be lovely if it was all new, but it's just history repeating itself from the 80's and before. This country will NEVER elect a far left government.

Nice to see Tiote being brought back into the fold. Guess Rafas not convinced by Mitro.

I'm always right. For a bright lad it's taking a while to sink in

I thought Quiff was deano. He's definitely not KSA. Totally different level of intellect. (No offence Quiff).

Aye that's a moving piece. My dad was in his 90's when he died and had had a great innings so a different kind of sadness to losing a brother. But I'm the youngest of 7 and it was quite comical when each of us suggested songs / tunes etc that we thought would be fitting. Quite a weird collection of stuff. The trauma my kids will have to go through for me

Couple of interesting points from the result. Out of those who were members pre 2015, 63% voted for Smith. Also Smith won the 18-24 year olds 55% to 45%

Maybe we'll now see some real policies rather than empty slogans. His vision for funding the NHS and social care, the economy and where the monies coming from. No party even comes close to having a chance unless they have a solid economic policy.

4 more years

We want a good trading relationship with the EU but don't want freedom of movement. What's wrong with that in principal? Nothing.

Well I've had three yes (3) mcewan champions tonight so I moved onto a Spotify acoustic / unplugged session which I quite like. Then came tears in heavens. 10 seconds in I had to turn it off. How he gets through it?

as it happens I didn't, but I've moved on to wham to cheer me up.