Christmas Tree

Well?

That bloke who still went on holiday with his Mam and dad

Excellent stuff from Boris tbf. A50 on course, wrapped up before 2 years, free trade is separate to free movement and reminding the member states about what they have to lose if they fuck us about. Music to my ears and worth the slap for talking out of class. In other news, yougov's latest poll (and I know some of you love polls), shows that 50% of labour vote leaver voters, no longer support labour. I wonder where they've gone

Demand will be there it will just splinter. Some seats to UKIP, some to the greens, some to the lib Dems. Maybe even another centre left. And whilst it's all very amusing to watch, it's definitely not good and continuous rule by any party is very very bad.

The nasty surprise is that most normal Labour folk will be left with a fag end of an extreme party that will never again gain power. The moderates will have been vanquished. There will be no centre / centre left party to represent them.

Many in the top echelons. The ones running momentum, calling the shots, asking previously banned elements to "flood in". For them Corbyn is just a means to an end. They are looking past 2020 to the hard left dream. Get Corbyn elected Take over the local parties Take over the NEC Get the right candidates in as MP's so that when Jeremy departs there will be enough hard left MP's to nominate "their man". Momentum will do the rest. They tried all this in the 80's and failed. Social media has assured their success this time around. Sure there are a lot of posh kids and students caught up in it all, but they will be left with a nasty surprise down the road........ And by then, it will be too late.

The hard left, the trots, etc etc

Jeremy's just the Trojan horse. He'll be discarded as soon as they're all in.

Fuck off

aye, I thought that as I typed it.

The field day the Tory 2020 campaign team and media are going to have with this come the election. You can't recover from 172 of your own MP's saying you are not fit for office.

3-1 to us.

They didn't get what they wanted on June 23rd. I still think we'll pull off a cracking deal.

No. in this very thread I said.... As for Boris, I think most people thought he would be the next PM prior to the Gove knifing.

Pardon me for not predicting the result on June 23rd.

Bonjour First of all I didn't predict Cameron would romp home in 2020 given that he announced before the last general election that he wouldn't be standing in 2020. As for May, I can't say I have a handle on her yet. Seems very odd to make such a fractious policy as grammar schools her first big launch. She is either paying too much attention to her special advisor or is very astute and getting it "out there" in her honeymoon period. As for Brexit, the only coalition against it are the Lib Dems and SNP. If Labour chose to stand against "the will of the people", it would drive their 37% who voted for it, straight to UKIP. It's hard to guess what will happen with the actual negotiations. Now that the warnings of post vote recessions in 2016 have failed to materialise, ditto for the recession forecast for 2017, the scare stories have focussed more on the city. However there's equal stories out there that the majority of the city would get around any issues Brexit throws up. The improved financial outlook will certainly make the government a lot more chipper in the forthcoming negotiations. Hopefully we stick to playing hardball and the Germans realise the stupidity of playing tit for tat over trade. The free movement bit is where all of this hinges and given wants going on in Europe, the growing anti immigrant feeling and forthcoming elections, that might be a lot easier to sort out.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/09/new-times-david-miliband-why-left-needs-move-forward-not-back

Must have had a canny time machine then given that was a year after the election

Hey what's 5 years between friends

No they didn't. You have got a bit mixed up. They had 3% of the vote in 2010 and 12% last year. Thank god you didn't expand on it

Conservatives are in power and flying high, Labour are in turmoil. More chance of Labour "vote leavers" switching to UKIP.

Accusing a party that has come from nowhere and engineered one of the most momentous decisions in U.K. history of not being smart, is not very smart

what on earth are you on about? Back then they used to average under 5% in the polls. These days there in the teens?

You've lost me If the 37% of labour voters (you know, the racist ones who voted leave), switch to UKIP, it's goodnight Labour.

There's no point me and you going around the houses about UKIP if you honestly believe they'll be gone in 5 years and are no threat to Labour. I'm not a ukipper so know as much about their 2020 potential MP's as I do about the SNP. (Apart from that mouthy lass that is forever on the telly and always looks very pleased with herself). I remember the days when Alex Salmond was pilloried like Farage. But to write off a young fast growing party that has quickly gained half as many voters as Labour and only last year was second place in 120 seats, is ridiculous. You may not be worried but The Labour Party knows the fight is coming.