Park Life

Question is should I track her down?

Left a message saying she'll be out late tonight. Bet the phone will be off as well.

This is true. We spy on the Whitehouse and they on Downing street. There was some confusion to this arrangement during the Clinton era when a Israeli based "company" was looking after the phones in the Whitehouse. You couldn't make it up.

Shola Fashanu and Xisco Ameobi...

If that's the case we've probably seen the last of him.

We'll probably hear that the Milner deal also isn't worth 12m itself but rather 2m + a further 10m depending on future international appearances, world footballer awards etc.

How long before the whole of Europe are on it and have access to each others data? *News from the future.

You know I thought you were a clever troll. But you're not. No offence Fop but the wild childish paranoid fantasies within this thread desreve nothing better. Like I said, I thought you were a clever troll, but you're not. And what are the "fantasises"? That a DNA database is being compiled by stealth? It is. That the said 6 times in parliament it would NOT be used for trawling? And now it is. That all the "safeguards" YOU thought existed actually do not? They don't. You're not even a troll, you're just a moron and I don't believe you're Jewish either.

Although that was obviously a lie, given last night he was saying he had no clue about what was happening. When he first came he said a buyer was lined-up who would re-install KK as manager. I don't blame Kinnear for that really btw. And I think he's a good bloke. He cloaked himself behind those comments quite well, anticipating a negative welcome.

Where's Jimenez when you need him? Oh wait...

Excellent. Will be on it tomorrow. I reckon one week is enough.

There must be a pulse weapon that will erase all digital data?

That's the thing that makes me laugh about stuff like this. People simply laugh it off, ''It's crazy, your off on the merry-go-round with David Icke, It's not 1984'' etc etc. And whilst they are on their high horse they are oblivious to the fact things like this are actually happening. DNA Databases, serious levels of surveillance and talking CCTV's cameras... Oh and don't forget the government removing various ''There will not be a boom and bust cycle' statements from their website... And what have they used this for? Catching criminals? Evil, evil I tell thee. Why would it be in the governments interest to to anything nefarious with this data? Create a genetic superace? I think thats been tried before, didnt work out TBH. Like all new technology, ie finger prints, CCTV etc all the neophobes stamp around a get in a panic. If every criminal knew there was a good chance of getting caught and the sentence would be harsh...crime IMO would drastically reduce. What you don't understand about Govt is that to them everyone is the enemy.

Totally missing the point, but that is cause they bring these things through by stealth and people not looking don't realise what is going on. Of course all those things you mention have bits of info about you...But for instance your doc records are very difficult for others to see without proper legal redress....The diff with the id card is it will amalgamate everything and be visible even at some point to bank clerks. Everything about you..If you don't mind that then fine.

Hmm...... invest more than his massive £0..... I don't see how he could. Don't forget the moving feast that became the debts. Ashley must be the daftest billionaire on the planet. I really think he is just a bit fick. Anyone that thinks they can sell a club for £480m that they bought for £234m (which was overpriced) and then borked beyond the impressive borkitude of the prior regiem, I wonder if they can spell their own name. It just shows that success (financial) is probably 90% luck. It's so unfair Parky. You just never got the breaks...

Being totally unjustly criminalised? Being monitored? Having the most private and complete record of "you" held for any one with access to study? From your background I'd have thought you'd have understood the danger in that. He doesn't understand it.

That is going to be the next big thing though. It's going to make prior fit ups and wrongful convictions seem like the good old days. that cant be right shirley? It helps them effectively widen the database, if you have a closish blood relation on the database (for whatever reason), then in many ways you're already on it too. The only way they'll start deleting stuff like that when they make it mandatory to register your DNA (which if things don't change will be within 20 years), they are already effectively starting it by taking and retaining kids DNA (even children under 10 who have done nothing wrong at all). Plus the whole thing adds another layer of potential nastiness the more we decode our DNA, not only will they know WHO you are, but likely every biological thing about you as well - didn't get that job? Maybe you were screened and found "not suitable". The only way to stop this shit is stop it early and it may already be too late. I'm ganna take a Thor type hammer to it. If I can find it...

Are you George Bush? This is chimp level simplicity. There are huge issues of privacy and state interference at stake. If we ever meet I'm ganna leave your dna at the scene of my next crime.

Now fuck off!

Kevin Reynolds was arrested early in the investigation of the murder of Sally Anne Bowman because the police trawled the National DNA Database and his profile matched DNA at the scene. [There appears to be some confusion over this order of events, which I have discovered since writing this article - see David Mery's comments below.] He had been arrested some time before for something trivial (I forget what) and cleared being drunk and disorderly, later acquitted, but of course his DNA profile wasn’t deleted. They put him on two identity parades, both of which he ‘passed’ one where the witness identified someone else, the other where the witness refused to identify anyone, so police were slowed down. But of course they had kept him in a cell for 36 hours, interrogated him, and searched his father’s house for two days to the extent of ripping up floorboards. Months later the police found Mark Dixie, again as a result of his DNA being on the database, and he was subsequently convicted of murder. Now, the only news media that mentions Kevin Reynolds, as far as I can tell, is this week’s issue of Private Eye, 1205, and I mention him here because I think it’s bizarre that in a ‘national debate’ about enrolling everyone on a National DNA Database there is no discussion of false positives, like Mr Reynolds. Perhaps even more bizarre is someone like Detective Superintendent Stuart Cundy saying, “If there was a DNA register we would have known who killed Sally Anne that day”, because there was a DNA register and his team arrested the wrong man as a result!

One in eight samples from criminals in DNA database filed under innocent names in Government blunder Last updated at 13:00 27 February 2008 Comments (36) Add to My Stories Thousands of DNA samples taken from criminals have been filed under the names of innocent people, it was revealed yesterday. There are 550,000 false, misspelt or incorrect names on the Government's vast DNA database, which contains more than 4million samples. That means one in every eight records is thought to be inaccurate. The news comes as two Britons who were cleared of crimes have launched a landmark human rights challenge to have their DNA samples destroyed. Michael Marper, 45, and a teenager identified only as "S" are seeking a ruling in Strasbourg that keeping their DNA profiles and fingerprints on record is a breach of their human rights.

The Government's DNA retention policy combined with increasingly sophisticated statistical techniques means that eventually most citizens in the UK will be linked to data stored on the police's DNA database, according to a privacy law expert. The outcome of an appeal to the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) that challenges the UK's DNA retention policy will not limit the ultimate reach of the DNA database, only the speed of its compilation, says Dr Chris Pounder of Pinsent Masons. Under last year's Police and Justice Act, the police are allowed to retain DNA data on those arrested even if those arrested are not convicted of or even charged with any crime. Data derived from these samples are then added to the National DNA Database. Michael Marper's case before the ECHR could change this law. Marper was accused of harassment by his partner. He was arrested and DNA samples were taken. The charges were dropped when he reconciled with his partner, but police refused to destroy his DNA samples and related data. Marper exhausted his appeals through the English courts and then complained to the ECHR that the retention of his DNA is a breach of his rights to privacy under the European Convention on Human Rights. Earlier this year the ECHR decided that there was enough of importance in the case that it will hear it. "The court finds that serious questions of fact and law arise, the determination of which should depend on an examination of the merits," said the ECHR in January. "The application cannot be regarded as manifestly ill-founded within the meaning of the convention. No other grounds for declaring it inadmissible have been established." The ECHR has previously ruled in favour of the police's right to retain DNA, but that case involved a man who had been convicted of a crime. A Dutch bank robber, Mr Van der Velden, argued that police had failed to respect his private life by storing his DNA profile. The ECHR said that this interference with his privacy was proportionate. The Marper case tests the legality of storing the DNA of people who have not been convicted of a crime. But its outcome is largely redundant because of the emergence of statistical techniques which match DNA on the database to relatives, according to Dr Pounder, a privacy law specialist at Pinsent Masons, the law firm behind OUT-LAW.COM. These techniques use the genetic fact that an individual's DNA sample is related to the DNA of close family members. "A national DNA database of the future is likely to span 80 per cent to 100 per cent of the population. The only question is when this will occur," said Pounder. Home Office statistics state that 33 per cent of men and 10 per cent of women under the age of 35 have a criminal record not related to motoring offences. However, DNA data of those convicted of a crime are never deleted, even when the individual who has provided the sample has died. "This means that the maximum DNA database coverage of the UK population would inevitably reach 20-25 per cent if current criminal trends remain constant," said Pounder. "Hence the value to the police of statistical methods which aim to identify suspects whose DNA details are not on the database from those whose details are stored on the database." Pounder anticipates that statistical techniques will develop and become more sophisticated. "In future, a DNA profile of someone arrested could be statistically linked to more and more relatives like parents, siblings, uncles, aunts, cousins, many of whom will not have been arrested," he said. "In that way, the DNA database, even though it contains data relating to criminals, will span most of the UK population," Pounder said. "If you are ever related to someone with a criminal record, your DNA will have the potential to be linked to that individual's police records."

Why did they take his DNA to compare it to the ciggie? They must have already had it. So he will have had previous then? Which would tell me that he was worthy of being pulled in and ruled out. Dumbass naivetee kicks in. So everyone on the database has previous? I have never done anything wrong therefore I am on no database. I believe if you are required to provide it but you are innocent the sample is destroyed. They are taking samples from even people doing 'producers' (driving documents), they are taking samples from any environment from where a crime is committed (pre-case, pre accusation, pre-legal), this means anyone in the building. They keep these samples (there is a time limit) but I don't believe they will destroy them at all....Why would they? DNA type data will soon be taken at airports to get through terminals (meant to be destroyed after 24hrs) again I don't believe they will. It is clear many 100's of thousands are already on a dna database who have NOT committed or have been accused of any crime. They are taking samples in schools (masquerading as projects/public awareness) drives. Everyone with a driving license will soon have to have dna data on it on a chip (have they comitted any crime??). Lastly people reporting crimes or being a witness to a crime are being asked to go on it to discount them. What crime have they comitted?