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i have just answered NJS with absolutely the correct reply to his question about Forest under Clough and Taylor, and asked Gemmill to reply to what I say sensibly instead of making childish remarks like he does. Nobody forces him to make these childish and stupid remarks. What else do you think I should say ?

and your quote earlier this morning, when I was responding to Happy Face, was what exactly ? Why don't you try and explain what exactly is rubbish that I have said about the club, instead of making childish and stupid remarks like you do ? I've asked you to be an adult and explain this many times now. Why not ?

You don't want people to engage sensibly ? Why not ?

I'm answering his question.

how many had better incomes when your man bought the club ? How did we compete and get above a club backed by a sugar daddy on numerous occasions, and buy their best player ? Don't tell me, he was a "trophy signing" Forest won the league, and the European Cup, because they had a brilliant, one off manager and an equally brilliant one off assistant. Who bought quality players, irrespective of the fee to the club. because they were backed by their board of directors. It was fuck all to do with them being a "big club", because they never have been, and never will, match the support and commercial appeal of what NUFC ought to be.

why should we lose anybody ? Why should it concern you in the least when the current setup clearly doesn't sit favourably with you ? I've got 1350 reasons for wanting the setup to sit favourably with me. What do you think is the way to consolidate and "make further progress" ? It isn't so long ago that you broadly agreed with me about the direction and ambitions of the club. Has a dozen or so games suddenly changed your mind ? I don't believe you are that gullible.

the best football book I've ever read is "Clough by Taylor", but this is giving it a run for its money.

winning arguments ? In a few years time, people will be saying that Mike Ashley never had any intention for the club other than running an advertising vehicle for Sports direct, would sell a player to make money rather than compete for the higher places including the higher monies and bigger sponsorships that go with speculating to accumulate on a longer term basis, and the current good season [first in 5 years] will not be built on with an intention to go higher, everything I've been saying for ages which they disagree with. And you say I'm hilarious ? Preposterous (all of it, not only the highlighted bit) you haven't noticed the advertising all over the ground, on the roof and the change of stadium name then ? Oh of course, you haven't been to the stadium have you ? Free sponsorship and change of 2nd strip colours to come at some time in the future............ As well as the profits from player sales, but we'll leave that to the football forum I think.

that sounds about right

it's dragging on a bit now, but overall it's been very good with a few weeks to go.

where do you live CT ?

so, as I have asked you, what will they do to consolidate it and "make progress" or qualify for europe rather more often than once every 5 years, with the 14th biggest revenues in football ? Thats assuming they still have the 14th biggest revenues in football ? I'll ask again - if income/revenue is the only measure of ambition and expected level of success, why do you expect us to compete with six clubs whose income is so much higher than ours? I think we can based on decent management in the same way in the past teams like Forest took on the big boys of the time but I realise its harder now. Forest ? We are twice the club forest are, or were. That sums up the lower expectations in a nutshell. We aren't "taking on one of the big boys" man, we ARE one of the big boys, if we act like we should. Once again, I'm amazed someone who has followed the club as long as you say, can be so naive about NUFC.

why do you disagree with me and question my support for the club when I say that ?

why should we lose anybody ?

http://www.toontasti...post__p__731210 I'm fully vindicated truth be told. I like the way you do quotes..... You cut off the bit on the end that says..... "in our first season back"! I am the last person fussed about running around looking for plaudits. All that stuff the other day was just a laugh at the past to me. Some people (not you) get so entrenched its unhealthy. The only thing that matters to me is "feel and enjoyment". Do I feel "positive" about the Team, The Finances, The Manager, The Young'uns coming through, and the general direction the club is travelling in. I do Do I enjoy going to games, watching on the TV, reading about us etc I do. All this harping back to old boards is bollocks and can be summed up in a few lines. Did the last board show us some very good times? Yes Do most agree its harder to break into the four now than it used to be? Yes Did the last board fail to build on our successful years in the way Man U and Arsenal have? Yes Had that ship sailed long before Ashley got here? Yes We all pretty much agree on Ashleys mistakes as well, however Im sure most agree that the way he has gone about turning us around on and off the pitch is putting in place solid foundations that hopefully will do us well for many years to come. Might not be enough to win the league but its looking like Top four challenges are back again, to everyones amazement. All this Leazes "I was right" carry on is giving this place a daily dose of unpleasantness which is a shame as its pretty clear even without a Happy Face chart that the Trend on here is downwards. Theres plenty of stuff to have good healthy debates about without all this carry on every day. Time for some sensible self control or more likely, sensible moderation. starting with posters calling others "madman" when replying to post not even directed at them perhaps ? Or people disagreeing with ME, its so annoying when someone disagrees with you, isn't it ? It's a shame people can't be honest mind, I agree with you. I've posted in agreement that maybe things should be toned down for the sake of the board, but it seems a few people just don't want to do it.

I'm not kidding here, these are the rantings of a madman. so much for Fish's attempt to stop all of this, for the good of the board and other people. A completely idiotic, childish reply, as usual, and that post wasn't even directed at you.

so I take it you aren't going to put your money where your mouth is

so, as I have asked you, what will they do to consolidate it and "make progress" or qualify for europe rather more often than once every 5 years, with the 14th biggest revenues in football ? Thats assuming they still have the 14th biggest revenues in football ?

I'm not giving anybody 5 years, it won't take anywhere near that long. As soon as he starts selling anybody, and withholding the money from the manager again, it's all over. You don't progress long term doing that. No defence. No argument. End of debate and fully vindicated, sadly. But he's done that this year and we're higher than we've been in almost 10 years. We've bought £50m worth of players for £25 million in the past year. we've bought 25m quid worth of players for 25m quid. I don't get you at all here. There is plenty of money left to attempt to go higher. Are you happy with 5th, is this your ultimate, or do you not agree that we could and should attempt to go higher ? Who says these players are worth more ? Who are they worth more to ? Mike Ashley, because you can bet that if any of them are sold it will not be the manager and the club who sees the money. Good business for Mike Ashley it may be...... I realise there are some people on this forum who are happy with 5th and think its the ultimate [obviously not the same people who booed the team the last time we only came 5th mind] but they appear to be largely non-matchgoers. Seriously, as it has taken 5 years for some people to claim that I am wrong what is the problem with the reverse of this scenario ? Fact is, it won't take 5 years for the club to go backwards from what is now its peak under the current approach, if they want to "progress" they will have to change it. My view is that they will not change their approach. It won't take 5 years for the club to start selling their best players for monetary reasons and the luck to run out, and despite what you are saying, I suspect you know this, like a few others who won't admit it either. The majority will think its possible to move on while selling your best players and witholding the money from the manager and not backing him though. Hilarious.

Because Turnover means nothing. Turnover just tells you how much income the business has. Think of it another way. Business A has a turnover of £100M and bloke B has a Turnover of £50M. Who is better off? You dont know do you. Business A generates a higher level of income, but to generate that income might cost £99M while Business B might cost £25M to generate theirs. therefore Business B is the better model (teaching to suck eggs here Im sure). But my point is that the 14th biggest revenue is/was not all that relevant. Some figures for you. 04/05 - 12th on 128M 05/06 - 13th on 124M 06/07 - 14th on 129M 07/08 - 17th on 125M 08/09 - 20th on 101M 09/10 - not in top 20 but <£81M - Not surprising given relegation? 10/11 - TBC but I would expect a large increase over 09/10 But this point about the 14th largest revenue, tbh I dont really get your point being made? Yes, I know the income has dropped and that is no surprise given the reasons said. But previously we were not profitable, we loaned the money. Simply, to answer your question. do we need to sell to survive? No. Do we need to sell to cover operational costs? No. Do we need to sell to buy new players? Yes and No. If we can sell a player for large profit, profit that would take a long time to generate through normal trading (on shirt sales etc) then this is a quicker way to have the funds to reinvest. My turn. Dont twist it or change it. No ifs but maybes. Just a simple 1) or 2). Which scenario would you prefer : 1) Sell no players (other than those not getting a game) and invest £10M in squad for two new players (assuming 2 at £5M each or One and a free) 2) Sell one big player for £20M (not including those not getting a game) and invest £25M in Four new players (Assuming £5M each still or One £10M, Two £5M one free etc) Baring in mind we need to strengthen our squad depth, more so in Europe. Bump incase LM missed my little question at the end. where did you get those figures ? I'm not talking any figures. I'm saying put 2 (or even better, 3) players straight into that team that the manager thinks will improve it without selling any major player ? What is complicated about that ? I'll answer the rest tomorrow.

I'm not giving anybody 5 years, it won't take anywhere near that long. As soon as he starts selling anybody, and withholding the money from the manager again, it's all over. You don't progress long term doing that. No defence. No argument. End of debate and fully vindicated, sadly.

of course, they were bankrolled by a sugar daddy, but it didn't stop us from getting above them a few times and buying their best player from them.

Good spot by HF this. Its a shame you can't go back into old threads, there are some interesting posts here.

who mentioned Stoke ? First year back you complete and utter imbecile - another example of your cherry picking cuntishness and you wonder why people think you aren't worth bothering with. Of course, there's nowt "cherry picking" by picking 3 years out of a 15 year period is there ? Her's an idea - go and look up "context" and then fuck off. and 2nd year back, first good season in 5 years proves we are competing above the likes of Stoke, Bolton and Blackburn, who have also played briefly in europe in recent years but fell away again ? I think that you and others should wait and see if the club seriously attempt to consolidate and move further forwards from here before proclaiming anything, you are setting yourself up for huge disappointment, its astonishing someone who has supported the club as long as you say you have can;t see it.

I'm just yanking CG's chain. He likes to have a dig, lump me in with Leazes because I respect the views of someone with decades of match-going experience and defend the bloke when people put words in his mouth. Fact is though, the only 'narrative' I've ever had is that Ashley is a liar and I wouldn't trust him as far as his belly reaches over his belt. That won't change no matter what. If we win the champions league I still wouldn't have time for the twat. No idea why CG thinks I'd be bitter. I was the one telling the likes of uber positive CT his hopes were too modest after promotion. He's running around demanding plaudits for his positive outlook when not too long ago he was saying to me... http://www.toontasti...post__p__731210 I'm fully vindicated truth be told. good find.